Protesters hurl slurs and spit at Democrats

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lawgator1 said:
For the record, certainly not ALL are. But there is a much larger number than would be stupid enough to actually throw out such a term. The resentment they feel toward Obama, and the ease with which they can be tricked into thinking he is a Secret Agent Muslim Socialist Nazi is mind boggling.
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almost as mind boggling as those that think health insurance is a right
 
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T-TownVol said:
almost as mind boggling as those that think health insurance is a right
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Its not a right. But our society has adopted anti-dumping laws for hospitals. If you show up and need emergent treatment, and if you don't have insurance and you don't have a dime to your name, you still get that treatment and the cost of that treatment ends up on the bills of those that do have coverage.

There are only two possible solutions: either change the system such that we live in a society where we accept that if you can't pay for care, you are left to die; or, make the delivery of care as efficient as we possibly can.

Good luck getting people to go for the former.


(Let me tell you about a case I have. Juvenile with history of pretty atrocious behavior is arrested on a warrant. As the deputy puts her in his car, she starts complaining of chest pains. Deputy follows procedure and calls EMS. They show up and put her in ambulance to go to hospital, with deputy driving behind. The girl tries to escape the ambulance by jumping out of it as its going about 35. She is injured badly and has about $680,000 in hospital bills, and counting. She is suing everyone in the world for it, but as far as her medical bills are concerned she had no insurance and no money.)
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its not a right. But our society has adopted anti-dumping laws for hospitals. If you show up and need emergent treatment, and if you don't have insurance and you don't have a dime to your name, you still get that treatment and the cost of that treatment ends up on the bills of those that do have coverage.

There are only two possible solutions: either change the system such that we live in a society where we accept that if you can't pay for care, you are left to die; or, make the delivery of care as efficient as we possibly can.

Good luck getting people to go for the former.


(Let me tell you about a case I have. Juvenile with history of pretty atrocious behavior is arrested on a warrant. As the deputy puts her in his car, she starts complaining of chest pains. Deputy follows procedure and calls EMS. They show up and put her in ambulance to go to hospital, with deputy driving behind. The girl tries to escape the ambulance by jumping out of it as its going about 35. She is injured badly and has about $680,000 in hospital bills, and counting. She is suing everyone in the world for it, but as far as her medical bills are concerned she had no insurance and no money.)
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How much do you stand to make off her suit?
Seriously, there are extreme cases that happen. The government just needs to remove many of the restrictions and manditory coverages that they place on the insurance companies. Health insurance can become like life insurance. You can buy a policy with all the bells and whistles or a "term" policy that is the bare minimum.
The ones that truly need care will get it and costs will come down.
 
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T-TownVol said:
How much do you stand to make off her suit?
Seriously, there are extreme cases that happen. The government just needs to remove many of the restrictions and manditory coverages that they place on the insurance companies. Health insurance can become like life insurance. You can buy a policy with all the bells and whistles or a "term" policy that is the bare minimum.
The ones that truly need care will get it and costs will come down.
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Too many simpletons wanting and demanding free sheet for that. There is a percentage of our society that believes in entitlements. That's how this crap grew legs in the first place, it's how this clown got elected and he's hell bent on delivering. Washington should be burned and rebuilt, it's just too corrupt and underhanded to get anything real done up there anymore.
 
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what was that ultra lib congressman that threw out that racial slur not so long ago, but it was forgiven because he "didnt mean it?"

This is all just stupid. One extremist says something and it represents the whole group? What about good old Jeramiah Wright? Have we already forgotten about his stupid rhetoric?
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
what was that ultra lib congressman that threw out that racial slur not so long ago, but it was forgiven because he "didnt mean it?"

This is all just stupid. One extremist says something and it represents the whole group? What about good old Jeramiah Wright? Have we already forgotten about his stupid rhetoric?
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CNN reporting, enough said.
 
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very true. Its just funny how the libs will backpeddle and down play it when it is one of their own, but if someone from the other side says something it generalizes the whole party, and all the conservatives are that way. Bunch of hypocritical swine if you ask me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I predict that they will be further energized and that the rhetoric will be ratcheted up even further.

I predict that, before the elections in Congress this upcoming season, someone from the Tea Party movement will fire a gunshot at a Democrat.

And like that fellow who flew his plane into the IRS building, you will hear the rest of them say "I abhor what he has done. There is no justification for that. But, I can understand how he feels ...."
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You've been making this prediction for over a year now while trying to paint an entire movement as rooted in racism. I guess if you make this petty prediction often enough over time you're eventually bound to get it right.

Who exactly empathized with the guy who flew his plan into the building? His family, some extremist whack jobs?
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
very true. Its just funny how the libs will backpeddle and down play it when it is one of their own, but if someone from the other side says something it generalizes the whole party, and all the conservatives are that way. Bunch of hypocritical swine if you ask me.
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Just shows you what the majority of this country gets subjected too. No wonder we have a fascist clown for a president, it's truly sad.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its not a right. But our society has adopted anti-dumping laws for hospitals. If you show up and need emergent treatment, and if you don't have insurance and you don't have a dime to your name, you still get that treatment and the cost of that treatment ends up on the bills of those that do have coverage.

There are only two possible solutions: either change the system such that we live in a society where we accept that if you can't pay for care, you are left to die; or, make the delivery of care as efficient as we possibly can.

Good luck getting people to go for the former.


(Let me tell you about a case I have. Juvenile with history of pretty atrocious behavior is arrested on a warrant. As the deputy puts her in his car, she starts complaining of chest pains. Deputy follows procedure and calls EMS. They show up and put her in ambulance to go to hospital, with deputy driving behind. The girl tries to escape the ambulance by jumping out of it as its going about 35. She is injured badly and has about $680,000 in hospital bills, and counting. She is suing everyone in the world for it, but as far as her medical bills are concerned she had no insurance and no money.)
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Who are you representing in the case?

The girls own stupidity caused those injuries.
 
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I think his point is that this girl who has no insurance and no money received well over half a million dollars in medical care that will be payed by those of us who do have insurance.
 
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VolInMn said:
I think his point is that this girl who has no insurance and no money received well over half a million dollars in medical care that will be payed by those of us who do have insurance.
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do you believe this girl "with history of pretty atrocious behavior" would ever use her money to pay for insurance anyway? What's wrong with giving her a bill and making her work it off?
 
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Keyword, Isolated incidents, non-representative of the majority of the group. It just comes to show you that people are angry about this, very angry.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan
 
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VolInMn said:
Well, unlike some of you, the House Republicans apparently believe this happened.



CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - House Republicans denounce racial slurs hurled at Democrats - Blogs from CNN.com
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Who cares if it happened or not, every group has some that take it way to far. You want me to bring up some of the things your side did and said while Bush was president? You want to attack a few but are ok with your president completely destroying our country.
 
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When ever people quit hurling slurs and start throwing stones, when ever people quit spitting and start shooting, then we might get their attention, until then democrats are going to do as they damn well please and the hell with what the people think.
 
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utvolpj said:
do you believe this girl "with history of pretty atrocious behavior" would ever use her money to pay for insurance anyway? What's wrong with giving her a bill and making her work it off?
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I'm not sure the doctors, hospital and ambulance service would be happy with payments of $50.00 a month for the next 60 years.
 
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VolInMn said:
I'm not sure the doctors, hospital and ambulance service would be happy with payments of $50.00 a month for the next 60 years.
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she's not just paying them back, she's paying back the citizens of the state in which she incurred the debt. Her little stunt cost money that IMO she needs to repay. I would recommend paying her minimum wage on a chain gang until her balance is zero
 
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volfanjustin said:
Who cares if it happened or not, every group has some that take it way to far. You want me to bring up some of the things your side did and said while Bush was president? You want to attack a few but are ok with your president completely destroying our country.
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I didn't attack anyone.
 
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utvolpj said:
she's not just paying them back, she's paying back the citizens of the state in which she incurred the debt. Her little stunt cost money that IMO she needs to repay. I would recommend paying her minimum wage on a chain gang until her balance is zero
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I have no problem with the theory of that idea, I just don't think it could ever be practical.

It does, however, bring up an interesting point. What if she had that much in medical bills due to an illness?
 
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VolInMn said:
I have no problem with the theory of that idea, I just don't think it could ever be practical.

It does, however, bring up an interesting point. What if she had that much in medical bills due to an illness?
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Thats a lot different then someone who threw themself out of an ambulance, honestly the person in the car behind them should have hit the gas pedal
 
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lawgator1 said:
2. While I agree that the actual blurting out of the word was singular and that not all fo the Tea Party people did it, I think it is a mistake to conclude that the person who did it is alone in the sentiment. I am convinced that a fairly healthy slice of the Tea Party people completely buy into the connotation of the epithet, even if the vast majority have the good sense not to say the word.

They may delude themselves into thinking that they believe it, not because they are stereotyping, but because they are just being observant about economic classes. In the end, however, they believe the stereotype.

These things ebb and flow. As tensions rise, so do the sinister and cynical suspicions and resentments.

This is why people like Glenn Beck, who has been spewing hate and vile commentary laced with religious rhetoric all week long, are both so successful and so dangerous. Beck makes a living trading on those emotions, raising the fear quotient of the uninformed who take their cues from him, welling up the resentment to a point just below the surface.

Until someone just can't stand it and it overflows their inhibitions and they say what so many of their kinship in Tea Party have managed to keep just below the surface.
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Oh dear Lord.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are only two possible solutions: either change the system such that we live in a society where we accept that if you can't pay for care, you are left to die; or, make the delivery of care as efficient as we possibly can.

Good luck getting people to go for the former.
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The bill that just passed acomplishes neither of the two options you presented.
 
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