Pulling for SEC teams

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#151
The Ron Mexico said:
It is impossible to argue with trolls, toddlers or religious fanatics. They do not operate in the same realm of reality as the rest of society. Logic and reason is wasted on each of these groups. There would be literally no point in making an argument against you. Everyone else has done a fine job and has disproven your idiotic point.
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I keep hearing people say that but no one can provide any examples of where they've disproved it
 
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utvolpj said:
how does any of that help unless UT is the undefeated team?

good grief, we have to be getting trolled. At least I hope so
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It helps when UT is the undefeated team. You answered your own question. If UT was the undefeated team in this situation, you would have wished it's rivals would have been better and had more success
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
It helps when UT is the undefeated team. You answered your own question.
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Boise St would have played for a NC if they hadn't lost a game or 2. Your argument is ridiculous but I didn't expect much after you ignored my Auburn comment to your previous hypothetical
 
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utvolpj said:
Boise St would have played for a NC if they hadn't lost a game or 2. Your argument is ridiculous but I didn't expect much after you ignored my Auburn comment to your previous hypothetical
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Negative.

A one-loss OK State team would have gone over an undefeated Boise.
 
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No answer to my question says everything. You also chose to ignore pj's Auburn point. Interesting.
 
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#158
Even those that are still mad about 2004 know why that happened. USC and Oklahoma started out #1 and #2 and never lost their spot. Auburn starting out poorly ranked is what kept them out.

There you go. Any others? Or am I going to get some more "your point has been disproven I just don't know when or where" type of responses?
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Even those that are still mad about 2004 know why that happened. USC and Oklahoma started out #1 and #2 and never lost their spot. Auburn starting out poorly ranked is what kept them out.

There you go. Any others?
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but that wasn't in your post. What you gave was the exact situation that kept out an SEC team. Where is the part about preseason polls in this?

chatt-townVOL said:
Ok look at it this way:

You have 3 undefeated teams that are in major conferences:

Team 1 (USC) is in the PAC 12 and goes undefeated in the regular season. The PAC 12 has 5 teams in the top 10, all of which team 1 has beaten.

Team 2 (Oklahoma) is in the Big 12. Also undefeated. The Big 12 has 4 teams in the top 10, all of which team 2 has beaten.

Team 3 (Auburn) is in the SEC. Also undefeated. The SEC has zero teams in the top 10. Team 3 has not had to play a team in the top 10.

3 undefeated teams. Which 2 go to the national championship?

Again. Game set match.

Tim, orangeballs, pj........ one of you try to dispute that
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added team names just to help paint the picture
 
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utvolpj said:
but that wasn't in your post. What you gave was the exact situation that kept out an SEC team. Where is the part about preseason polls in this?
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If your argument is that holding your preseason spot all year trumps having a higher strength of schedule then yes that's obvious.

Dispute my point if "team 1" "team 2" and "team 3" started out preseason ranked in the teens?
 
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#161
your points keep moving and when paired with the hydrocodone I'm taking it's making me dizzy. Enjoy your jorts and houndstooth hat and I'll exit this ride here
 
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utvolpj said:
your points keep moving and when paired with the hydrocodone I'm taking it's making me dizzy. Enjoy your jorts and houndstooth hat and I'll exit this ride here
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Sorry if my "preseason rank them in the teens and see who goes to the NC" thing was too devastating to your case.

Sure while I'm "enjoying my jorts" enjoy your dreams of Tennessee eventually moving to Conference USA and going undefeated
 
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#163
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chatt-townVOL said:
BECAUSE

THEY

WIN

When they start losing for years on end, you no longer deserve a shot at the title for beating them. Especially if the PAC-12 and Big 12 are putting out teams that win week in and week out
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The SEC will never start losing for years on end. You're trying to live in fantasy land. I'll take my chances with who UT plays in the SEC and know that their SOS is always going to be good because the SEC is always good. If somehow they don't make it in the title game, I won't lose any sleep over it. Hell, I'll be elated that they're even back in the conversation. If they're good enough, they'll make it in. Since college football is decided with a mythical title, it really doesn't matter.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
If your argument is that holding your preseason spot all year trumps having a higher strength of schedule then yes that's obvious.

Dispute my point if "team 1" "team 2" and "team 3" started out preseason ranked in the teens?
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Auburn played the weaker schedule in '04. Their big out of conference game that year was the Citadel.
 
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I always pull for the SEC team out of confrence. I view it all in a strength of schedule way and want every team that Tennessee plays to be undefeated so it looks better when we beat them, yes I know it's impossible as some of them play each other before they play Tennessee.

In the end it is just really being selfish. I would love it if no team could beat an SEC team other than other SEC teams.
 
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EconVol92 said:
I always pull for the SEC team out of confrence. I view it all in a strength of schedule way and want every team that Tennessee plays to be undefeated so it looks better when we beat them, yes I know it's impossible as some of them play each other before they play Tennessee.

In the end it is just really being selfish. I would love it if no team could beat an SEC team other than other SEC teams.
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This. Very well said.
 
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#169
If all the other SEC teams lost all of their games and UT won all of theirs, they'd be Boise. Fact is that UT only benefits from being in a strong conference...period. Now, they just need to start winning in it!
 
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Vol_Doc said:
If all the other SEC teams lost all of their games and UT won all of theirs, they'd be Boise. Fact is that UT only benefits from being in a strong conference...period. Now, they just need to start winning in it!
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Nope. We are suffering from being in a strong conference. And so are 8 other teams. Would I prefer to be in another conference? NO. But Im not gonna root for any other teams because theyre in my conference.
 
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PotS said:
I finally figured out my criteria. If an SEC team is playing someone from a legitimate conference (ACC, B1G, Big XII, PAC), I want the SEC to win, ala Auburn and Alabama tonight.

Any SEC team playing a lower-tier team, ala Florida today, I want them to lose and be extremely embarrassed.

Cool story, I know.
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Not cool. Would never pull for Ala unless it helped us.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Not cool. Would never pull for Ala unless it helped us.
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It does. Bama murdered Michigan. What does that say about us if we beat Bama? That we're a very strong team.

Had Michigan slammed Bama, what would it say about us if we also beat Bama? That Bama just sucks? And we're maybe as good as Michigan?

Hence I wanted Bama to beat Michigan.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
And watching you try to "reason" with just us common folk lets me know all I need to know. Anyone in their right mind doesn't pull for a rival. Ask a former player or fan with half a brain and they would never want to see a rival win. That's just plain stupid. They can't lose enough.

If you're good enough, you don't need help from any team. You take care of your own business. To hell with the rest of them.
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You are mixing emotion with reason.

I loathe UGA. I would like nothing more than for them to get embarrassed over and over again. However, I want UGA to be undefeated out of conference and 0-8 in the SEC. The strength of your schedule matters. The strength of your conference matters.

You act as if people like me root for our rivals because we like to see them succeed. Nothing could be further from the truth. However, we are bright enough, to understand that our rivals' out of conference results directly impact our school which we love so dear. You are missing that connection.

As UT fans, we should only be concerned (in conference) with UT taking care of business. However, in order to uphold the integrity of our wins and losses, we want our games to actually matter. Thus, we want our conference and our rivals to be better than the rest of the country.

By your logic, you would rather UT beat the sh*t out of Big East, BIG 10, or ACC opponents than be mediocre in the SEC. If UT played in those conferences, despite being mediocre in the SEC for the past couple years, we would have had better win/loss records and made more impressive highlights on SportsCenter. The downfall would be that nobody would respect our record or our accomplishments. Our recruiting would drop of because top recruits do not want to play against scrubs every week. Thus, over time UT would continue to diminish relative to the national stage regardless of it's own success with respect to its rivals.

Do you ever wonder why it is that mid level and bottom barrel SEC teams can still get top 25 recruiting classes? How about top coaches? It is not some crazy coincidence.
 
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I also find it ironic (and funny) that those on VN who wish UT's rivals would get embarrassed on a national stage in a out of conference game will in the same breath crack jokes about the pitifulness of non-SEC conferences.
 
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