QB Recruits?

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A lot of it has to do with how they are used by the coaches also.

Take Eric Ainge for instance. Randy Sanders did not know how to fix him mentally. Cutcliffe comes back and he goes on to be the #3 passer in UT history.

Think about how much Ainge was hated after the LSU Monday night game disaster. He had probably a worse season his Sophomore year than JC had last year.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
A lot of it has to do with how they are used by the coaches also.

Take Eric Ainge for instance. Randy Sanders did not know how to fix him mentally. Cutcliffe comes back and he goes on to be the #3 passer in UT history.

Think about how much Ainge was hated after the LSU Monday night game disaster. He had probably a worse season his Sophomore year than JC had last year.
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The best thing Cut did for Erik is minimize his mistakes. I know we bitched about all the balls he threw away, but those were interceptions his Sophomore year.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I don't evaluate and if I did I would say no.. :)

Based on what I've heard, no there is not anyone out there that fits that. BUT, the # 1 QB could still be developing and emerge around Thanksgiving. Still might not fit Kiffins model.

No, I doubt a Barkley shows up.
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Funny thing about the great Matt Barkley is that he is not even the starter for USC and barring some unforeseen circumstance, he won't be for a few years. It is way too early in the recruiting season and such a crap shoot with QB's to know what kind of class this will be. Just look at the year Crompton came out, he is not the only top rated QB to have little success out of that class, only Sanchez has been successful and that is only one year. I would say that it was a horrible year for QB's but it was rated high at the time. Point is, you never really know about high school qb's and especially before there Senior year has even started. Most of these kids are just trying to raise there status at these camps and get scholarships while they can since the numbers are very limited at there position.
 
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TheVol said:
Funny thing about the great Matt Barkley is that he is not even the starter for USC and barring some unforeseen circumstance, he won't be for a few years. It is way too early in the recruiting season and such a crap shoot with QB's to know what kind of class this will be. Just look at the year Crompton came out, he is not the only top rated QB to have little success out of that class, only Sanchez has been successful and that is only one year. I would say that it was a horrible year for QB's but it was rated high at the time. Point is, you never really know about high school qb's and especially before there Senior year has even started. Most of these kids are just trying to raise there status at these camps and get scholarships while they can since the numbers are very limited at there position.
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A lot of those QBs had the potential they may not have been coached up right. Take Crompton for instance. In Cut's system he was looked at by us and the media as the next great Vol QB. Saw that he might be a heisman darkhorse last year somewhere. Then now that Clawson coached him last year he's the worst QB on the planet to some of you. That class was better from a natural talent standpoint than this class. Wasn't Stafford in that class?
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I think Stafford was the year after Crompton.

P.S. - Crompton didn't look any better in those 2 starts under Cutcliffe than those starts under Clawson, but since there are about 200 threads debating this . . .
 
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GAVol said:
I think Stafford was the year after Crompton.

P.S. - Crompton didn't look any better in those 2 starts under Cutcliffe than those starts under Clawson, but since there are about 200 threads debating this . . .
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Did Crompton redshirt? If he did you're right about the Stafford thing. Was Josh Freeman in Stafford's class or Crompton's? Also Crompton played very well in the LSU game. Don't know what game you were looking at. He ran a safety over and threw some good deep balls. The Arkansas game we couldn't block the Hogs D-Line so he was getting smashed back in the pocket.
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Lockdown1 said:
Did Crompton redshirt? If he did you're right about the Stafford thing. Was Josh Freeman in Stafford's class or Crompton's? Also Crompton played very well in the LSU game. Don't know what game you were looking at. He ran a safety over and threw some good deep balls. The Arkansas game we couldn't block the Hogs D-Line so he was getting smashed back in the pocket.
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yes he redshirted. had ot have his shoulder operated on
 
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Lockdown1 said:
Did Crompton redshirt? If he did you're right about the Stafford thing. Was Josh Freeman in Stafford's class or Crompton's? Also Crompton played very well in the LSU game. Don't know what game you were looking at. He ran a safety over and threw some good deep balls. The Arkansas game we couldn't block the Hogs D-Line so he was getting smashed back in the pocket.
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Were they good passes or great catches by Meachem?

Chicken or egg thing to think about.
 
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LWSVOL said:
yes he redshirted. had ot have his shoulder operated on
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Had class with Crompton when he had shoulder surgery. The brace he had to wear kept his arm over his head (bent at the elbow). The teacher always thought he was raising his hand to ask a question.
 
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Whom ever CLK decides to play at QB this year needs to managed like Kerry Collins with the Titans was managed this past season. If the QB can throw for 100-200 yards with +1 TD/INT ratio, we'll be fine. If we throw to keep the Defense honest, hopefully our line can open up a hole every now and then to move the ball effectively. I understand it will ultimately fall on the line, but hopefully Schofield, Revis can contribute to our current line and make something happen. We''ll have to live and die by the run, and if the Titans can do it, the Vols can too.
 
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justingroves said:
Were they good passes or great catches by Meachem?

Chicken or egg thing to think about.
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Meachem made good catches but those balls were really good throws too. He was in stride and didn't have to leave the ground to make the catches. We need for him to get off to a good start this season for us.
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LWSVOL said:
but this class is all late bloomers... if they fit Kiffin's model... like I say, a risk with whomever he takes this summer
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True, you can't actually judge this class until five years from now.
 
#39
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JC will have a better year this season. Better offensie scheme. He has the arm. Remember that this is his 5th offense to learn (some say that Cut had 2 different offenses with the no huddle during his second season). Kid has been unlucky thus far. I hope he tears it up and those stupid death threats are put behind him
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#40
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Well he can't possibly have a worse year. LOL.......I think he will be decent. With the offense that Kiffin is using we will see RBs catch a lot of passes too. I wonder who is our best pass catcher out of the backfield?
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I said some pretty demonstrative things which I felt strongly were true and a couple of people took issue with the way I posted it as if it were fact. I ended up being correct though.
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You ended up being correct in your head...

Me and you don't really disagree about anything except your evaluations of the QBs. But I appreciate you constantly referring to me in your posts...:dance2:
 
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LWSVOL said:
what happens if they snatch Scroggins and Brunetti, let's say, and Rettig or Rees or someone else blows up to the top of the list by far about November 20th? Does CLK kick them to the curb and chase the top guy???

That top guy might fit his model perfectly and those he took early might not by Thanksgiving...

that is the risk he is dealing with chasing QBs in this sub-par market.... be very interesting this fall to track these kids and see if a Matt Barkley emerges...
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Problem is, I think those guys will have already signed.
 
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tripper said:
Problem is, I think those guys will have already signed.
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why is that a problem? no one will be signed come Thanksgiving???

he could call Scroggins and tell he decided to go a different route and take Retting, for example. or he could just take Retting as a 3rd QB and see if one of others would decide to go elsewhere for example
 
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LWSVOL said:
why is that a problem? no one will be signed come Thanksgiving???

he could call Scroggins and tell he decided to go a different route and take Retting, for example. or he could just take Retting as a 3rd QB and see if one of others would decide to go elsewhere for example
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High school QB's options are very limited compared to other positions. They are looking for scholarships with a chance to play. Offers are very limited. Most schools will only take 1-2 QB's a year and sometimes none when at other positions they take any player with talent or potential. Some of these guys are just committing to the best option available. This is why I feel very confident in this staffs ability to sign the RIGHT player this year. They are not freaking out and just trying to pull somebody in, they are waiting for their guy. If they don't get 1A, they go 1B, then 1C. I don't think they feel like they have lost even 1A at this point. They are still in the evaluation period and with this class nobody is head and shoulders above the rest. That does not necessarily make this a bad QB class.
 
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This class seems to be full of late bloomers and project QBs. Some recruiters feel that this is one of the weakest classes to come out fir the qb position in quite some time. If anything we are going to get a diamond in the rough prospect and hone them into something. That's especially true if we don't get Scroggins
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Barry Every when asked what the weakest position in this class is:

Without question, it has to be quarterbacks. I don't know how the guys running the Elite 11 Camp are going to find 11 truly high-level guys to make it to the event. I really like Phillip Sims and think he's a solid player, but it does speak to something when you don't have a quarterback ranked until almost No. 60 in the Rivals100.
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