question about homosexuality

in your opinion are the gay people born that way or do they make a choice to be gay?

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#53
#53
What if you're not attracted to the same sex but engage in an 'act' with same sex?

Does that make you gay?
 
#54
#54
g8terh8ter_eric said:
1. No.

2. N/A

3. The reason I believe it's a choice is, science is trying to give them a "this is the way I am card", and there is nothing they can do about it.

You ever ask yourself who is funding the research on the whole gay gene, and predisposed gay lifestyle?? My best guess is many gay groups and activists, trying to create a way for the gay lifestyle to be more accepted, without much of an argument. The problem with research is, unless there is a TRUE unbiased research group that does the studies, and proves, not suggests because of finger length and other flaky reasons then there is never going to be a scientific consensus on it, and there typically never will be because science us always advancing and changing, just like society does.
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First, I do not care who is funding the research. Second, you do not know who is funding the research, and "your best guess" means nothing to me. Third, why do you think homosexuals should have to fight for their lifestyle (which does not in any way harm you) to be accepted?
 
#55
#55
therealUT said:
First, I do not care who is funding the research. Second, you do not know who is funding the research, and "your best guess" means nothing to me. Third, why do you think homosexuals should have to fight for their lifestyle (which does not in any way harm you) to be accepted?
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You shouldn't ask why they have to fight for their lifestyle, but why are they fighting for their lifestyle at all?? Everything being equal, why are they trying to just be tolerated?? Why is there a movement anyway, to prove that people are born, created, or become gay, and why is it an important facet of the world to prove??

Here's what I believe......

People are creations of their environments, plain and simple. You choose who to hang around, what to wear, what to sound like, how to present yourself, what music to listen to, and a plethora of other things, including sexual disposition. If it were a gene thing, then if you have identical twins, why aren't both gay or heterosexual??

Science is always trying to solve something that doesn't really matter. They can't even cure the common cold, and some scientists are saying that there is a gay gene, or people are born gay. I don't really care one way or another, but for the gay community to always talk about being tolerant and acceptant of their lifestyle, who really wants to be tolerated?? I sure don't want to be tolerated, and I consider it disrespectful for someone to do just tolerate someone, knowing they could care less about the person. I would say that many in the gay community wish their controversial sect that keeps on bringing this up in the media and other outlets, are like black people who wish that someone would shut up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

No one speaks for me, but me, and that's the way I want it. Some people just want to be weak and have someone else speak for them, which tells me they are uncertain if they are in the right place or situation.
 
#57
#57
Can I be labeled a Safe Driver if I've never gotten behind the wheel?

I could have been born with a sense of caution.
I could have grown up around Wreckless Drivers all my life which could influence me.
I could have a predisposition to be cautious and obey all traffic laws to the best of my ability.
People could judge me by my personality alone and assume I'm a safe driver.

But i've never been behind the wheel. So am I a safe driver?
 
#58
#58
PandamoniumReigns said:
Can I be labeled a Safe Driver if I've never gotten behind the wheel?

I could have been born with a sense of caution.
I could have grown up around Wreckless Drivers all my life which could influence me.
I could have a predisposition to be cautious and obey all traffic laws to the best of my ability.
People could judge me by my personality alone and assume I'm a safe driver.

But i've never been behind the wheel. So am I a safe driver?
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Dang, this will make you think if you look at it like that. That's a good example.
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#60
#60
PandamoniumReigns said:
Can I be labeled a Safe Driver if I've never gotten behind the wheel?

I could have been born with a sense of caution.
I could have grown up around Wreckless Drivers all my life which could influence me.
I could have a predisposition to be cautious and obey all traffic laws to the best of my ability.
People could judge me by my personality alone and assume I'm a safe driver.

But i've never been behind the wheel. So am I a safe driver?
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This makes the most sense. I don't see how anyone could argue with this.
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#62
#62
g8terh8ter_eric said:
You shouldn't ask why they have to fight for their lifestyle, but why are they fighting for their lifestyle at all?
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Why are they fighting for equal protection and benefits under the law? Must I actually answer such an absurd question?

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Everything being equal, why are they trying to just be tolerated?? Why is there a movement anyway, to prove that people are born, created, or become gay, and why is it an important facet of the world to prove?
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Everything is not equal; moreover, the fight to be tolerated might be grounded in a desire not to be arrested, bullied, and/or killed simply for being homosexual. Homosexual movements did not begin yesterday; they began when it was still illegal to engage in consensual homosexual sex.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Here's what I believe......

People are creations of their environments, plain and simple.
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Nurture over nature does not get you to "choice". At best, it gets you away from genetic determinism but still leaves you with determinism.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
You choose who to hang around, what to wear, what to sound like, how to present yourself, what music to listen to, and a plethora of other things, including sexual disposition.
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You do not consciously choose what art you find aesthetically pleasing, what music you find aesthetically pleasing, etc. You definitely do not consciously choose to whom you are sexually attracted.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
If it were a gene thing, then if you have identical twins, why aren't both gay or heterosexual?
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There are many complications involved with twin-studies. A major complication is that since homosexuality has been, and still is (especially for adolescents, i.e., those who are coming to grip with their own sexuality), that homosexuality is stigmatized and homosexuals are ostracized. It is quite possible that two identical twins could be born gay and one fights against that desire their entire life because they do not want to be ostracized.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Science is always trying to solve something that doesn't really matter. They can't even cure the common cold, and some scientists are saying that there is a gay gene, or people are born gay.
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The lack of a cure does not mean that scientists do not understand common colds, virus, bacterial diseases, etc. The genome was finally mapped in 1998; will scientists find a gene that predisposes individuals to homosexuality? They might. They are certainly finding all sorts of other genes that had been argued against for years (e.g., genes that predispose an individual to alcoholism).

g8terh8ter_eric said:
I don't really care one way or another, but for the gay community to always talk about being tolerant and acceptant of their lifestyle, who really wants to be tolerated?? I sure don't want to be tolerated, and I consider it disrespectful for someone to do just tolerate someone, knowing they could care less about the person.
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If you were being denied the protections and benefits that others are receiving simply because they are straight, then you might push for tolerance. When preachers are preaching that you should be beaten or locked away behind an electric fence, then you might push for tolerance.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
I would say that many in the gay community wish their controversial sect that keeps on bringing this up in the media and other outlets, are like black people who wish that someone would shut up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
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What?

g8terh8ter_eric said:
No one speaks for me, but me, and that's the way I want it. Some people just want to be weak and have someone else speak for them, which tells me they are uncertain if they are in the right place or situation.
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I am sure that the homosexual community would like it if they did not have to speak as a community; however, one lone voice does not usually change policy.
 
#63
#63
PandamoniumReigns said:
Can I be labeled a Safe Driver if I've never gotten behind the wheel?

I could have been born with a sense of caution.
I could have grown up around Wreckless Drivers all my life which could influence me.
I could have a predisposition to be cautious and obey all traffic laws to the best of my ability.
People could judge me by my personality alone and assume I'm a safe driver.

But i've never been behind the wheel. So am I a safe driver?
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You could definitely argue that some are naturally predisposed to be more timid and others are born as "alphas". It might be more natural for a timid person to be more cautious than an "alpha" and insofar as caution is a significant factor in safe-driving then you could argue that some are more predisposed to being safe-drivers. However, it gets complicated because other factors come in to play: eyesight, attention to detail, anxiety, etc. (again, all things that have, at least in part, genetic bases).
 
#65
#65
You do not consciously choose what art you find aesthetically pleasing, what music you find aesthetically pleasing, etc. You definitely do not consciously choose to whom you are sexually attracted.
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I disagree. But you're smarter than me so I choose to not argue why. Those beliefs may be true to you and whoever agrees with you but are definitely not facts.
 
#66
#66
g8terh8ter_eric said:
TRUT, how about just an honest question....

Do you think it's a choice or predisposed??
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I do not think that sexual attraction is a choice. It is either genetic (nature) or conditioned into someone (nurture) by a process that we in no way understand (I do not know why it is that I am so much more attracted to dark-haired girls with dark eyes than blonde-haired, blue-eyed girls, it is just that I am more attracted to those girls); either way, it is not something that a person chooses.

Insofar as it is not something that someone chooses, they should not more be ostracized, bullied, and stripped of equal protections and benefits for being attracted to members of their same-sex than someone should be ostracized for preferring pop-country music over Mozart.
 
#69
#69
therealUT said:
You could definitely argue that some are naturally predisposed to be more timid and others are born as "alphas". It might be more natural for a timid person to be more cautious than an "alpha" and insofar as caution is a significant factor in safe-driving then you could argue that some are more predisposed to being safe-drivers. However, it gets complicated because other factors come in to play: eyesight, attention to detail, anxiety, etc. (again, all things that have, at least in part, genetic bases).
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Avoiding the question by spewing other non-essential factors. Classic.

Using solely my post - Am I or am I not a safe driver?
 
#70
#70
Are Pedophiles born that way? Or are they labeled Pedophiles because they chose to violate a child's innocence?
 
#72
#72
PandamoniumReigns said:
Avoiding the question by spewing other non-essential factors. Classic.

Using solely my post - Am I or am I not a safe driver?
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One cannot use solely your post, and you are equivocating. One is a homosexual when they are sexually attracted to members of their same-sex; it does not require an act. For one to label another a homosexual, an act must occur (e.g., one witnesses the homosexual engaging in same-sex sexual activity or the homosexual tells someone, "I am sexually attracted to members of my same sex.") As for me labeling you a safe-driver, I would need to observe either an act, a record of an act, or place my trust in you when you tell me, "I am a safe driver."

Whether or not I label you as a safe driver or a homosexual has no bearing on whether or not you are actually a safe driver or a homosexual.
 
#74
#74
therealUT said:
One cannot use solely your post, and you are equivocating. One is a homosexual when they are sexually attracted to members of their same-sex; it does not require an act. For one to label another a homosexual, an act must occur (e.g., one witnesses the homosexual engaging in same-sex sexual activity or the homosexual tells someone, "I am sexually attracted to members of my same sex.") As for me labeling you a safe-driver, I would need to observe either an act, a record of an act, or place my trust in you when you tell me, "I am a safe driver."

Whether or not I label you as a safe driver or a homosexual has no bearing on whether or not you are actually a safe driver or a homosexual.
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You are really grasping at straws.
 
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