Race and fear: ugly comments

I agree that we also should ostracize those who try to vilify a candidate for success raising unprecedented amounts of money during a campaign.
A campaign you're talking about. Not an entrepreneurial venture. Not adding value to anything. You're talking about taking money based upon known empty promises and weak talking points. Spending up to $1 billion in providing nothing but idle talk. Pretending that is akin to capitalism is borderline lunacy.
 
He is. There are other owners, nearly all who also support BHO. But the chief who has voted GOP 99% of his life and owns the largest chunk of the company, thinks BHO is the man for the job.

What's the world coming to?
I have no idea what industry you're in, but it seems a bit odd. I have several companies here with different partners and I don't think any single one of them would be willing to vote for Obama under any circumstances.
 
How do we keep interchanging greed with profit motive. Our economy is essentially steeped in this idea, but we've let our idiotic media point to profitability as a bad thing.

Someone villifying a company for legitimately making profits or an individual for trying to make a return should be summarily fired, ignored and ostracized.


That wasn't the question/issue. The query was who is to blame for the housing bubble and its subsequent burst. I said some of the blame is on those who trafficked in the morgtage instruments, both at the level of promoting each instrument and then also in the secondary market in re-packaging them. I specifically said its not immoral for people to want to get in on the action. I don't blame them.

But I do criticize them. And my point was that, objectively speaking, a lot of people made a lot of money not in the housing market but in the market to sell the securities end of it and, while not immoral, it without question contributed to the drive to keep issuing them and selling them, etc.

Now, we can debate the merit of whether the government or cooler temperaments should have done something to slow it down. And I do understand the argument that they should not because its the market at work and if it crashes then those at the bottom of the pyramid just weren't the smart ones.

But it does seem to me that if we are going to bail out that industry -- in some form or another -- then we are de facto acknowledging both the right and responsibility of the government (and calmer private people within the industry) to meddle and slow down the train before it goes off the tracks.

I mean, if we are going to clean up the mess on the back end, can't a case be made for conservative economic policy that short-circuiting it on the front end would be better? Or at least somewhere in the middle? Seems to me it would have been a lot more efficient had that been done.
 
But it does seem to me that if we are going to bail out that industry -- in some form or another -- then we are de facto acknowledging both the right and responsibility of the government (and calmer private people within the industry) to meddle and slow down the train before it goes off the tracks.

Ah no, all it does is prove elected officials will do whatever it takes to save their job. It says nothing about whether it is their responsibility to do so.
 
Ah no, all it does is prove elected officials will do whatever it takes to save their job. It says nothing about whether it is their responsibility to do so.


They claim - and a number of private industry folks have supported them in this -- that failure to act would have been disastrous.

Theoretically good financial policy? Uh, no. A necessary evil to prevent something awful? Apparently many seem to think so.

All I am saying in this regard is that if we are going to do that when the bubble bursts, what is wrong with trying to keep the bubble from forming in the first place?
 
They claim - and a number of private industry folks have supported them in this -- that failure to act would have been disastrous.

Theoretically good financial policy? Uh, no. A necessary evil to prevent something awful? Apparently many seem to think so.

All I am saying in this regard is that if we are going to do that when the bubble bursts, what is wrong with trying to keep the bubble from forming in the first place?
that bubble won't be forming again.
 
They claim - and a number of private industry folks have supported them in this -- that failure to act would have been disastrous.

Theoretically good financial policy? Uh, no. A necessary evil to prevent something awful? Apparently many seem to think so.

All I am saying in this regard is that if we are going to do that when the bubble bursts, what is wrong with trying to keep the bubble from forming in the first place?

I believe most citizens were against it. It is not government's job to fix something because it will get uncomfortable.

As many have speculated, the people that caused this are the ones trying to fix it. Does not sound like a good plan to me.
 
I believe most citizens were against it. It is not government's job to fix something because it will get uncomfortable.

As many have speculated, the people that caused this are the ones trying to fix it. Does not sound like a good plan to me.


Again, you may or may not be totally correct. My point was that IF we are going to engage in bail outs after the fact, then what's the economic/moral reason not to stop it from happening or at least ameliorate the effects in the first place?
 
So you don't think there would be any protests including vandalism if McCain were to win in the inner city areas?

I am in no way shape or form racist and i happen to see it as a very good possibility, I do not see how that would make me racist.

Okay, so there's mile of posts between this reponse, so I may hit on some things that have already been said -- haven't read it all.

First off, I didn't mean to call you a racist, though I know that's the way it came across, and I'm sorry. I don't think there are many blatent racists left these days.

However, there are racial stereotypes which still persist to this day, and one of those is that blacks are universally prone to being criminals or prone to criminal activity. Undoubtedly, there are some individuals, but not true on the whole. And that's my problemwith this line of thinking, it plays up that stereotype to bring out a certain segment to vote one way or another out of fear and prejudice.

As far as protests, maybe, but there's nothing wrong with it as long as its non-violent, and I certainly don't think it would be any reason to specifically avoid anywhere. To me this sort of thing, equates with Cheney's "We'll be welcomed with open arms" view of Iraqi conquest. It's truly out of touch with reality.
 

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