Racist French...

[CSpindizzy]

Is deodorant banned? I think air conditioning is banned at De Gaulle airport as well.

 

[orangestorm]

French are getting more active with some of their problem groups, they just launched a crackdown on the Roma (Gypsies).

 

[CSpindizzy]

They can crack down on Roma and not have much to worry about. They won't burn your towns down and threaten to strike, kill, maim, behead, or march en masse. It's sort of like penned up frustrations and who to take it out on...the group who offers the least resistance.

 

[droski]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my understanding the French government also bans the wearing of the Jewish kippahs and Christian crosses in public places. I really have no problem with them banning this since displaying Christian and Jewish religious items are also banned.

errr i've seen many crosses and yarmulkes in france. if they've banned them they surely aren't enforcing it. either way it's wrong.

 

[gsvol]

I'll go with ignorant and thankfully wouldn't fly over here

I would think a lot more of you if you could ever bring yourself to look at both sides of these sorts of issues rather than immediately putting forth your standard knee jerk reaction.

The 751 No-Go Zones of France

They go by the euphemistic term Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones, with the even more antiseptic acronym ZUS, and there are 751 of them as of last count.
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What are they? Those places in France that the French state does not control. They range from two zones in the medieval town of Carcassone to twelve in the heavily Muslim town of Marseilles, with hardly a town in France lacking in its ZUS. The ZUS came into existence in late 1996 and according to a 2004 estimate, nearly 5 million people live in them.
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People get mugged, even murdered, in the ZUS, but the media prefer not to write about it. When large-scale rioting erupts and officers and firemen are attacked, the behavior of the thugs is condoned with references to their "poverty" and to the "racism" of the indigenous French. The French media never devote their attention to the bleak situation of intimidation and lawlessness in which 8 percent of the population, including many poor indigenous French, are forced to live. Muslim racism toward the "infidels" is never mentioned.
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The ZUS exist not only because Muslims wish to live in their own areas according to their own culture and their own Shariah laws, but also because organized crime wants to operate without the judicial and fiscal interference of the French state. In France, Shariah law and mafia rule have become almost identical.

Expect more of the same here in this country, especially as long as so many seem to be intent on sleep waling along in some sort of day dream that this alien culture will never present any threat to the future of our own.

Ignorant is as ignorant does.

the nanny state at work, we must protect you from yourself and your decisions at all costs.

Well in the nanny state one can never state the real reasons for any actions.

As you can see from the post above, the French havn't been doing that great of a job protecting it's citizens.

Have you heard of the 'French smilie'??

That's when muslim men catch a girl not wearing a veil in a muslim no-go zone, they cut her from the corner of the mouth to the ear, leaving a huge scar which is called a smilie.

Never mind though, muslim women won't have to worry about paying their fines.

Rich Muslim vows to pay all French burka fines - Ansar Al-Mujahideen

 

[Burhead]

errr i've seen many crosses and yarmulkes in france. if they've banned them they surely aren't enforcing it. either way it's wrong.

Hmm I promise that's what I saw in news article justifying the ban. Let me go look it up real quick and get back to ya.

 

[seanofthedead86]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my understanding the French government also bans the wearing of the Jewish kippahs and Christian crosses in public places. I really have no problem with them banning this since displaying Christian and Jewish religious items are also banned.

True, but it isn't a requirement for, say, a christian to wear a cross pendant at all times. It's not written in scripture. It is, however, written in scripture for women to be veiled in Islam.

 

[gasguy98]

errr i've seen many crosses and yarmulkes in france. if they've banned them they surely aren't enforcing it. either way it's wrong.

Why is it wrong?
They don't have a right to protect their culture?
There are also security issues here, like how it is illegal to have too much tint on the windows of ones car here in the US.

Why do we insist everybody act like us.
I think banning the damn things is way overdue. They are part Western Civilization, it is time they started acting like it.

 

[gsvol]

True, but it isn't a requirement for, say, a christian to wear a cross pendant at all times. It's not written in scripture. It is, however, written in scripture for women to be veiled in Islam.

WRONGO!

Where did you hear that????

Idiotic, uninformed tripe such as the statement in
your post is an even bigger problem to western
civilization than the likes of Osama bin Laden.

The Veil Controversy | The Weekly Standard

Three pages, why don't you read it all and perhaps
you won't tend to embarrass yourself in the future!

Interestingly, Soad Saleh, a former dean of the female
faculty and Islamic law professor at the most prestigious
Islamic university in the world, Cairo's Al-Azhar, confirmed
that the niqab is not an obligation. Gamal al-Banna, brother
of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, goes further:
"Neither the Koran, nor the hadith require women to wear
a headscarf."

Furthermore even if the Koran did mandate the wearing
of the veil and it was against French law, then they could
hike their asses back where they came from or go to jail!!!

Let me ask you this, what do you think of the areas of
France where a Frenchman cannot set foot unless he is
a muslim??

Do you think the number of areas may have grown
in the past six years??

What is your expert opinion on such enclaves in the USA???

 

[BleedOrange11]

I took a French class this summer and my teacher was a grad student from France. He said the major issue here was that France believes immigrants to its country should strive to integrate themselves into French society. The Muslim practice of women covering their faces in public was isolating them as a foreign cultural group and preventing them from integrating.

 

[gsvol]

Why is it wrong?
They don't have a right to protect their culture?
There are also security issues here, like how it is illegal
to have too much tint on the windows of ones car here
in the US.

Why do we insist everybody act like us.
I think banning the damn things is way overdue.
They are part Western Civilization, it is time they
started acting like it.

(The three page link in my post above this one is
very informative and worth reading.)

Copenhagen has banned the building of any more
mosques.

Switzerland has banned the building of any more
minarets.

There is quite a bit of backlash in Holland these days.

It's about damned time the French did something,
anything.

French appeasement and where it has gotten them.

On June 15, the Prefecture of police force prohibited
the aperitif sausage-plonk (sausage and wine protest
-VH) which Laic Riposte and 22 other organizations
wanted to organize in the district of Drop-in Or, in
Barbès (18th district of Paris), at the time of the
commemoration of the call of June 18, to protest
against the illegal Moslem prayers which have taken
place there each Friday for 15 years. But this same
Prefecture of police force did not intervene to make
respect the law in this district, and put an end to
there these illegal prayers! Indeed, in this Friday
June 18, of the thousands of Moslems, as usual,
the streets Myrha, Polonceau and of the Fishmongers
barred, and occupied them to request there illegally
in public! Mr Michel Gaudin, prefect of police force of
Paris, betrays the French Republic while taking left in
favour of the Moslems blockers streets, and while
refusing to give the order to the police officers to
apply the law and to release these streets!

These illegal Moslem prayers have taken place for
15 years, without any action of the authorities to
put an end to this illicit occupation of the public
domain (law of 1905) and this disorder with the
law and order.

Does this remind you of the Christians being
arrested in Dearborn for passing out Christian
literature at muslim festival, even though they
were farther away from the festival than the
Cordoba mosque is from ground zero??

BTW, already muslims have been illegally blocking
streets in Manhattan using the same tactic that
has qorked so well in France for the past fifteen
years, and what do our authorities do??

The same thing as the French have done!!!

I don't think my ancestors died making this a
free land for this to happen and I and damned
well certain I didn't serve my country in uniform
for this to happen!!!

 

[utvolpj]

I would think a lot more of you if you could ever bring yourself to look at both sides of these sorts of issues rather than immediately putting forth your standard knee jerk reaction.

The 751 No-Go Zones of France

I addressed the clothing issue (which is the thread topic) while you go off on no-go zones like they have any connection. Telling citizens of your country what clothes they can/can't wear is wrong. Otherwise we'll all end up wearing matching jumpsuits like every sci-fi movie shows

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

I addressed the clothing issue (which is the thread topic) while you go off on no-go zones like they have any connection. Telling citizens of your country what clothes they can/can't wear is wrong. Otherwise we'll all end up wearing matching jumpsuits like every sci-fi movie shows

I may be mistaken, but doesn't Florida state law require that everyone wear jorts?

 

[gsvol]

I took a French class this summer and my teacher was a grad student from France. He said the major issue here was that France believes immigrants to its country should strive to integrate themselves into French society. The Muslim practice of women covering their faces in public was isolating them as a foreign cultural group and preventing them from integrating.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that they aren't there to integrate, they are there to infiltrate and dominate.

Same thing is happening all over Europe as well as here in America also.

 

[utvolpj]

I may be mistaken, but doesn't Florida state law require that everyone wear jorts?

shouldn't have posted that or you will get a 10,000 word post on the Muslim connection to Levi Strauss (complete with pics)

 

[BigPapaVol]

shouldn't have posted that or you will get a 10,000 word post on the Muslim connection to Levi Strauss (complete with pics)

funny, though GS has backed it down some.

 

[droski]

Why is it wrong?
They don't have a right to protect their culture?
There are also security issues here, like how it is illegal to have too much tint on the windows of ones car here in the US.

Why do we insist everybody act like us.
I think banning the damn things is way overdue. They are part Western Civilization, it is time they started acting like it.

they can be free to allow whoever they want into their country, but it is wrong to tell someone how to dress. not in a democracy. the security issues are very overblown. we seem to have little problem in the US with these problems. nor does the UK.

 

[gsvol]

I addressed the clothing issue (which is the thread topic) while you go off on no-go zones like they have any connection. Telling citizens of your country what clothes they can/can't wear is wrong. Otherwise we'll all end up wearing matching jumpsuits like every sci-fi movie shows

And you didn't answer my question either.

All you did was to express the supposedly altruistic
opinion that French society has no right to protect
itself from these rude intruders and project some
absurd sci-fi future.

If you would simply pull your head out of your jorts
would see the connection is painfully obvious.

OK then, what do you think of the rights of women
who are gang raped in the ZUS and then have their
face disfigured so that they will be ashamed to go
in public without a face covering, whether they be
muslims trying to fit into French society, French
women or simply a dumb tourist that blunders into
the wrong area not even realizing what has happened
to France over the past fifteen years??????

 

[utvolpj]

And you didn't answer my question either.

All you did was to express the supposedly altruistic
opinion that French society has no right to protect
itself from these rude intruders and project some
absurd sci-fi future.

no my point is that making laws about what citizens can/can't wear is wrong IMO. That's all I said but you want to equate that to throwing acid on a woman's face? Ok

 

[IPorange]

I look damn good in a jumpsuit. Just sayin'.

 

[gsvol]

they can be free to allow whoever they want into their country, but it is wrong to tell someone how to dress. not in a democracy. the security issues are very overblown. we seem to have little problem in the US with these problems. nor does the UK.

They are not telling people how to dress, they
are telling people they cannot conceal their
identity in public.

Security issues are NOT overblown.

To say the UK has little problem is just too ignorant
for a reply. I'll spare you the ten thousand words
completely refuting your utterly absurd assertion,
you don't have the attention span neccessary to
read such anyway.

America may have little problem now but it is a
problem that is growing in leaps and bounds,
consider what has happened over the past
twenty years all over Europe, from the Balkans
through Germany, the Scandinavian countries and
especially in France, the Netherlands and England.

The Veil Controversy | The Weekly Standard

Labidi's experience suggests that in both Tunisia
and France the recent banning of the hijab has
actually helped Muslim women who are subject
to Islamist indoctrination.

For Islamists, the imperative to veil women justifies
almost any means. Sometimes they try to buy off
resistance. Some French Muslim families, for instance,
are paid 500 euros (around $600) per quarter by
extremist Muslim organizations just to have their
daughters wear the hijab.

This has also happened in the United States.
Indeed, the famous and brave Syrian-American
psychiatrist Wafa Sultan recently told the Jerusalem
Post that after she moved to the United States in
1991, Saudis offered her $1,500 a month to cover
her head and attend a mosque.
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A survey conducted in France in May 2003 found
that 77 percent of girls wearing the hijab said
they did so because of physical threats from
Islamist groups.
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In light of this, wearing the hijab may or may not
be a manifestation of the free exercise of religion.
For any individual, it may reflect the very opposite
--religious coercion. In fact, millions of women are
forced to wear the veil for fear of physical retribution.

And the fear is well founded.

 

[utvolpj]

They are not telling people how to dress, they
are telling people they cannot conceal their
identity in public.

from the article

The measure would outlaw face-covering veils in streets, including those worn by tourists from the Middle East and elsewhere. It is aimed at ensuring gender equality, women's dignity and security, as well as upholding France's secular values — and its way of life.

 

[droski]

" they cannot conceal their identity in public"

do you really think it's oh so hard to conceal ones identity in public? and also do you really think that dressing head to toe in a hijab is a good way to not draw attention to yourself?

and i agree it is a problem that many radical muslims throw insults at islamic women not wearing proper headgear, but that should be dealt with seperately. There are pleny of muslim women that FREELY chose to wear it and they shouldn't have their rights violated.

 

[utvolpj]

" they cannot conceal their identity in public"

do you really think it's oh so hard to conceal ones identity in public? and also do you really think that dressing head to toe in a hijab is a good way to not draw attention to yourself?

and i agree it is a problem that many radical muslims throw insults at islamic women not wearing proper headgear, but that should be dealt with seperately. There are pleny of muslim women that FREELY chose to wear it and they shouldn't have their rights violated.

I got yelled at by a street preacher at the SECCG in 07 for wearing the wrong headgear. He said I was worshiping the T on my hat and that was against God

 

[CSpindizzy]

Basically telling women to focus on French law rather than Sharia law and subsequent punishments. Not sure many of these women are willingly accepting of such religious restrictions. French secular law supersedes Islamic religious laws.

If this were in the US and were challenged by a woman who claimed the desire to wear this for religious reasons, I could see this law overturned. But I would love to see a willing Islamic woman even allowed to challenge a law of her own free will. A cunundrum for Muslims in western societies.