Racist Government official

[MG1968]

I have yet to hear any of these utterances by Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh that LG so often speaks of.

 

[Vols520]

This is gonna blow up in obamas face. To the womans credit, she did point out that her thinking was wrong and it changed her point of view.
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[volsforever27]

"Purveyors of hate and fear"? Someone needs to get off the DNC mailing list.

The bottom line is this woman is clearly racist, and if this had been anyone even remotely connected to a Republican administartion your tone would be very different.

 

[lawgator1]

This is gonna blow up in obamas face. To the womans credit, she did point out that her thinking was wrong and it changed her point of view.
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That was what I heard, also. She had to go because she admitted to using race as a factor in her government job and that is simply unacceptable. But I thought her point was that in the end its not about race and she learned that and nobody seems to want to acknolwedge that, which is a shame.

 

[droski]

But I thought her point was that in the end its not about race and she learned that and nobody seems to want to acknolwedge that, which is a shame.

if this was a white man saying these things would YOU really believe that he didn't use his racism to discriminate?

 

[KB5252]

I understand what you both are saying -- that objectively speaking the "necks" or far out folks in the TP who might be epxeressing these messages are not in fact the educated, pwerful, or wealthy ones.

Where you make your mistake is in thinking that it matters where they truly are on the ladder of power and finance. It doesn't.

What matters is where they think they are, where they feel they deserve to be.

People who feel a sense that they are entitled to long term financial and political power are afraid of what happens if people who have for a long time expressed resentment about that are about to wrestle that way from them.

With the election of a black POTUS and the hue and cry of some on the far left about black power, that fear level is ratcheted up substantially. The rhetoric from outliers like the Black Panther guys is exactly the kind of thing that has them reaching for their guns and talking Second Amendment.

The struggle on this is real, but for the last 5 decades it has by and large been peaceful and moderately slow to occur.

The reason I despise people like Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh is that they are making a handsome living off of flaming those fears and making it seem like, if he could, Obama would nationalize the guard to come take half of the stuff owned by white people and give it to black people.

They prey on the fear of those they are pretending to defend, they fire up that fear, exploit it so people feel like they need to go out and buy their books or listen to their shows, or what have you, as long as it keeps the dollars rolling in.

Do some of the black leaders do the same thing? Absolutely. The likes of Sharpton and Jackson -- they have always been about tapping into the fear and resentment of the black community so as to advance their own personal agendas.

The reality is that in our everyday lives we do not view our black coworkers or neighbors as a threat to our economic well-being. To the contrary, a lot of the time they are in the same boat, rowing to the same goal for a company or a school or a church.

But then you have these purveyors of hate and fear and resentment whisper in our ears that some unidentified or far away caricature of a race is coming to get us. That is who Beck and Hannity are.

And on the other hand you have the purveyors of hat and fear from the left, the likes of Olbermann are the exact same thing on the other end of the spectrum. He may have a different delivery but he is serving the same purpose from the lefts agenda. Until you come to this realization LG you are as bad as the lemmings from the right.

Middle class people who struggle to pay their bills and live from paycheck to paycheck aren't under any delusions about which class they fall into, they are reminded every single week. It isn't about race or feeling like they may be be losing some inherited status because their ancestors happened to be white. It is simply about hard working people upset that their piece of the American dream is threatened because so many people gave up on their piece of the American dream long ago and are quite happy living on the governments dime.

For the record that resentment has nothing to do with race, there are many more white Americans who milk the government than there are black or any other minority and the vast majority of America knows it.

 

[MystifyingVol]

The race card has been played so much and for so long that when you hear; 'that's racist' these days, one tends to say; 'so what?'

The same people who are always pointing out perceived racism are the most racist, bigoted people on the planet.

This is my view as well and my experience in dealing with people.

I just don't care, using the white man's guilt against him has lost its power.

One could argue that a lot of the racial resentment that we see from elements of the TP right now is more about loss of economic superiority and a sense that the country and the entitlement they have felt for so long to run it is what is causing all this angst out there. The uncertainty caused by the changing face of the country, both down the street and when you go to the bank to get a loan, is unsettling.

Why do you keep spewing this crap, I know the Dems are pushing it hard this week, I guess you are just doing your job.

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I saw no racist people

 

[volinbham]

That was what I heard, also. She had to go because she admitted to using race as a factor in her government job and that is simply unacceptable. But I thought her point was that in the end its not about race and she learned that and nobody seems to want to acknolwedge that, which is a shame.

Who's not acknowledging it? I even heard an evil, racist, capitalist bastage on Fox acknowledge it and suggest it's too bad that race is so radioactive since she evolved in her thinking beyond race.

As I stated before, the NAACP by taking a strong stance against her is ultimately not acknowledging it - maybe that's who you were referring to.

 

[Vols520]

That was what I heard, also. She had to go because she admitted to using race as a factor in her government job and that is simply unacceptable. But I thought her point was that in the end its not about race and she learned that and nobody seems to want to acknolwedge that, which is a shame.

I don't think what she said was really that bad. The way of thinking is incorrect, but she was admitting that and saying she changed.

The realy story is if obama faces any heat for demanding her resignation.

 

[volinbham]

I don't think what she said was really that bad. The way of thinking is incorrect, but she was admitting that and saying she changed.

The realy story is if obama faces any heat for demanding her resignation.

It is a damned if you do/don't situation.

Coupled with a few other race related issues (Harvard Professor Gates, N. Black Panther, and this) and it may cause some concern about how "post-racial" he is.

 

[Dr Dread]

It will be interesting to see if Fox News corrects their reporting on this story.

 

[volinbham]

It will be interesting to see if Fox News corrects their reporting on this story.

From what to what? I'm not aware of their reporting other than earlier seeing one of their interviewed commentators suggesting what she said in context is not really a big deal.

 

[Vols520]

It is a damned if you do/don't situation.

Coupled with a few other race related issues (Harvard Professor Gates, N. Black Panther, and this) and it may cause some concern about how "post-racial" he is.

Maybe an appletini summit?

 

[volinbham]

Sherrod is saying the WH harassed her into resigning and said she had to because she was going to be on the Glenn Beck show...jeez what an administration.

NAACP is retracting condemnation saying the were schnookered by Fox News.

WH denying they put pressure on her to resign.

It keeps getting worse...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/20/agriculture.employee.naacp/index.html?hpt=C1

 

[sjt18]

I watched the Sherrod thing and would say the following:

First, she had to go. Her comment that she did not give the farmer equal asistance because he was white cannot be ignored or tolerated.

IF she was saying it in the context of leaving racism behind then she should be saluted rather than unemployed.

Second, if you watch it further, she is explaining that she started from that premise and in referring him for further assistance realized that the issue as amongst farmers and her job was not one of race, but rather was one of the haves and the have nots. I think she is saying that she learned a lesson that government assistance is much more about class than anything else.

I'd have a far greater problem with this marxist type of separating people than if it even were racism. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. You as a lawyer ought to at least agree to the premise the justice/the law should be blind. It should not see color, creed, nor class.

BP makes the remark about a serious dialogue about race. I think that would be a good thing, but I think as well that in discussing it you have to include economic class. It is undeniable that the minority communities are not as well off as their white counterparts. That gap is closing, but as the upper classes lose some of their steam and the lower classes gain some momentum, it is bound to cause some earthquakes along the way.

OK, let's do'er.

Before the Progressive movement got real traction and started changing the gov't (around 1920)... Most Americans would have been repulsed by the very notion of dividing them by some type of permanent or semi-permanent class. The American ideal of rights and freedoms was ALWAYS centered on the individual... not groups, not classes.

The more we move back to that premise... the more fluid the flow will be from lower income/wealth to higher income wealth.

Even now, the biggest causes of poverty have nothing to do with institutional racism or lack of opportunity. They have to do with social ills and the failure of people to take responsibility for their own actions... and to take account of the full impact of their decisions. This is to a significant degree a product of liberal policies which encourage dependence and have long subsidized destructive behavior.

One could argue that a lot of the racial resentment that we see from elements of the TP right now is more about loss of economic superiority and a sense that the country and the entitlement they have felt for so long to run it is what is causing all this angst out there.

Well... except for the fact that there is very, very little real evidence of racism being given. Of course for liberals, the accusation of racism toward a conservative is proof in and of itself. Even if the comments made by the guy in CA were reversed and said by a black about whites, liberals wouldn't bat an eye. If it is racism one way then it is racism the other.

We can't heal until we agree that we are in fact equal and deserve equal respect. No special pleading or special cases in either direction.

To your point, I don't think those masses of people would be protesting if their economic superiority was being overtaken by fair competition. The objection is that it is being confiscated. The use of the word "entitlement" with regard to a group of individuals who have specifically earned their own way and pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps in many, many cases is offensive as well as ignorant.

The uncertainty caused by the changing face of the country, both down the street and when you go to the bank to get a loan, is unsettling.

You really know nothing about this world you are commenting on, do you? The only "changing face" TPer's are concerned about is the threats by the left to their rights and liberties. That's all. They don't fear blacks. They don't fear hispanics. They "fear" an overreaching, oppressive gov't that is driving the country into bankruptcy while alternately devaluing, destroying, or confiscating what they've earned through their own blood, sweat, and tears.

Its about fear of that unknown and worry that it means you will have less as others get more, that is driving so much of this.

I guarantee that virtually to a person the TPer's would love to see people of all races live free and prosperous.... working hard and getting the fruits of their labors. TPer's are not like you liberals... they do not buy the zero sum economy idea. They know that someone else gaining wealth doesn't make them an adversary... it makes them a potential trading partner.

And unfortunately, in my view, there is a whole stable of people out there willing to take advantage of that fear.

So bottom line, you have transferred your ignorance of the real world that these regular, every day, taxpaying Americans live in AND your ignorance of real world economics and business to TPer's and then assigned racial "fear" to them as the reason the reject big gov't, high taxes, intrusions on rights/liberties, and debt accumulation that could destroy the country they'd like to leave to their children, right?

 

[lawgator1]

It is a damned if you do/don't situation.

Coupled with a few other race related issues (Harvard Professor Gates, N. Black Panther, and this) and it may cause some concern about how "post-racial" he is.

It is and its a shame.

Story about this tonight on Matthews, how 1) the website that posted the video intentionally clipped all of the stuff about her explaining that her attitude was wrong and she learned that and actually helped this family with their problem as a result; 2) that everyone on the right jumped to the conclusion that she was a reverse racist and were outraged, without leanring the facts; 3) that she was ousted by the administration because they don't know how to handle the issues being raised and are too nervous about the success of Beck and Hannity in manipulating these things; and 4) they expect that tonight O'Reilly on Fox will retract and correct the reporting on this, but that neiither Hannity nor Beck will.

 

[lawgator1]

The real lesson here is that the likes of Hannity and Beck have so riled up the right that the moment something like this comes up, everyone reacts without the facts in order to be viewed as in the right on it. This episode, including the lady's perhaps unjustified firing based on the false claims of the right wing nut who posted it, is entirely the fault of Hannity and Beck, who are both total rascist fascist sons of you know what.

 

[sjt18]

Just so you don't ignore or miss it LG... conservatives and in particular TP's DO NOT BELIEVE in a zero sum economy. The free market isn't that. One person's wealth building does NOT threaten the wealth of others... it enhances it. That's part of why we reject the leftist/keynesian/socialistic polices of the Dems. When gov't redistributes wealth without regard to whether someone contributed wealth to start with... it makes the pie smaller for everyone.... it reduces opportunity for everyone and particularly the poor who would otherwise rise out of their low state.

Letting businesses and the "rich" keep more of their money will create jobs and opportunities for the "poor" many times greater than ANYTHING the gov't can or ever could do.

One example. When I lived in Seattle, there were people who made a great living running coffee carts in the street. Many came out of lower income backgrounds. Who were they selling to? They were selling to the "rich"... professionals and their support staffs who worked down town. Same with the corner sandwich shop. The courier service.... and countless other proprietorships that lent themselves to people with little capital but a willingness to work.

How are those "poor" people helped by confiscatory taxes on the people they depend on as customers? How about taxes that raise employment costs to a point where CSR's are moved to India?

 

[sjt18]

The real lesson here is that the likes of Hannity and Beck have so riled up the right that the moment something like this comes up, everyone reacts without the facts in order to be viewed as in the right on it. This episode, including the lady's perhaps unjustified firing based on the false claims of the right wing nut who posted it, is entirely the fault of Hannity and Beck, who are both total rascist fascist sons of you know what.

Prove that either is a racist. YOUR attitude is PRECISELY why this issue keeps haunting us. Anytime anyone disagrees with you leftists... they must be racists if there's even the remotest link to race involved. NEITHER of these guys is a racist.

Do you even know what a fascist is? If you do then you could never, NEVER call either one of those guys that. OTOH, in the purely clinical sense... Obama and the Progressives share a great deal of ideology with fascism. In fact, the pre-WW2 Progressives were enamoured with the fascists and in particular Mussolini.

Just for educational purposes, on economics fascists believe that some measure of private ownership should be allowed but should be subject to political control... only loyalists could keep their property. Gov't however regulated virtually everything- salaries, output, quality, distribution, profit margins, pricing,... pretty much what the left wants to do in America now.

 

[lawgator1]

Just so you don't ignore or miss it LG... conservatives and in particular TP's DO NOT BELIEVE in a zero sum economy. The free market isn't that. One person's wealth building does NOT threaten the wealth of others... it enhances it. That's part of why we reject the leftist/keynesian/socialistic polices of the Dems. When gov't redistributes wealth without regard to whether someone contributed wealth to start with... it makes the pie smaller for everyone.... it reduces opportunity for everyone and particularly the poor who would otherwise rise out of their low state.

Letting businesses and the "rich" keep more of their money will create jobs and opportunities for the "poor" many times greater than ANYTHING the gov't can or ever could do.

One example. When I lived in Seattle, there were people who made a great living running coffee carts in the street. Many came out of lower income backgrounds. Who were they selling to? They were selling to the "rich"... professionals and their support staffs who worked down town. Same with the corner sandwich shop. The courier service.... and countless other proprietorships that lent themselves to people with little capital but a willingness to work.

How are those "poor" people helped by confiscatory taxes on the people they depend on as customers? How about taxes that raise employment costs to a point where CSR's are moved to India?

I think you are correct that people who understand economics do not view it as a zero sum game. But that requires an understanding that the game can be expanded with productivity and that, to borrow the phrase, a rising tide can raise all boats.

But there are a lot of people (on both sides) who do not feel that way or do not understand that there's plenty more room in this system. So happens that right now with Obama in office the vocal ones are on the right, and some are in the TP.

If a real values-type conservative wins in 2012, it will be the voices of the fearful on the left who are out there not making any sense.

 

[Dr Dread]

From what to what? I'm not aware of their reporting other than earlier seeing one of their interviewed commentators suggesting what she said in context is not really a big deal.

Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and Bill O'Reilly were just a few who went on record calling Shirley Shannon a racist. I actually don't feel it was totally their fault. They got sucked in by what they like to term "The new media," and rushed to judgement after veiwing a clip of video that was released to get just the type of reaction that many had after seeing it.

 

[sjt18]

LG, the fact that she admits she did it probably means she had to be fired. I know what I said earlier but after thinking about it. Harm was done.

What was the net effect of Lott's innocent comments about Strom Thurmond? He wasn't even thinking racism but because some were "hurt" by it... he had to step down. The left is very, very hypocritical on stuff like this.

Right now Harry Reid is spending millions doing the same type of thing to Angle... do you object to that too? In fact, this woman's words are being taken far more in context than Angle's are... does that bother you? Probably not.

 

[volinbham]

The real lesson here is that the likes of Hannity and Beck have so riled up the right that the moment something like this comes up, everyone reacts without the facts in order to be viewed as in the right on it. This episode, including the lady's perhaps unjustified firing based on the false claims of the right wing nut who posted it, is entirely the fault of Hannity and Beck, who are both total rascist fascist sons of you know what.

Not the real lesson at all but not surprising you've come to this conclusion.

 

[volinbham]

It is and its a shame.

Story about this tonight on Matthews, how 1) the website that posted the video intentionally clipped all of the stuff about her explaining that her attitude was wrong and she learned that and actually helped this family with their problem as a result; 2) that everyone on the right jumped to the conclusion that she was a reverse racist and were outraged, without leanring the facts; 3) that she was ousted by the administration because they don't know how to handle the issues being raised and are too nervous about the success of Beck and Hannity in manipulating these things; and 4) they expect that tonight O'Reilly on Fox will retract and correct the reporting on this, but that neiither Hannity nor Beck will.

Is that Chris "I forgot for a moment he was black" Matthews? Quite the pillar of racial harmony there.

 

[sjt18]

I think you are correct that people who understand economics do not view it as a zero sum game. But that requires an understanding that the game can be expanded with productivity and that, to borrow the phrase, a rising tide can raise all boats.

But there are a lot of people (on both sides) who do not feel that way or do not understand that there's plenty more room in this system. So happens that right now with Obama in office the vocal ones are on the right, and some are in the TP.

Show me a single person in any kind of leadership role within that movement that does not think opportunities to succeed not only should be available to everyone but are desireable for everyone to take possession of.

If a real values-type conservative wins in 2012, it will be the voices of the fearful on the left who are out there not making any sense.

You have not proven your point whatsoever concering TP folks. They are business people by and large. Salt of the earth types of folks who aren't just "anti" something... they're specifically FOR the free market, Constitution, personal rights/liberties, and personal responsibility.

The fear right now is clearly... very, very clearly on the left. That is why they have seized on even the most tenuous of opportunites to paint the TP as racist or some other evil.

I don't know if you remember when it started. I do. Millions of people met in towns and cities all over the country to protest against the direction of the country but FOR the historic ideals of the country. The MSM poo-poohed it. They did absolutely everything they could to ignore it and deny it existed. The liberal elite was and IS terrified of the TP because they KNOW it is a REAL grassroots, average Joe type of movement. It IS ground shaking.

The million man march was greeted with much fan fair... but it wasn't. It had little permanent impact and fell way, way short of a million men. It WAS btw racist in character. Why a million black men and not just a million men? Why divide like that? Why not ask anyone who cares about our children regardless of race?

The Iraq War protests and that repulsive woman it seemed to center around were given favorable and consistent coverage even though the crowds were relatively small and never enjoyed the popular support the TP has. Women's rights... gay rights... you name it. The numbers will be inflated and it will be depicted as a groundswell of Americans demanding change... even though it isn't.

But the TP really is that... and since they aren't liberal... the left is reacting in horror... with much the same attitude as you project toward the TP.

Since the movement has become impossible to ignore, the liberal elite and MSM have demonized and often presented dishonest propaganda against the TP.

It isn't the TP that represents fear... it is the left that sees its dream of that large, all controlling gov't being threatened.

The real problem here for you leftists LG is this. The TP is huge. Every member/participant probably represents 30, 50, 100, or more people in general agreement with the movement's core principles. Polls that present their basic ideals to the public show overwhelming agreement with them. When they man the volunteer phone banks this fall... when they start talking to neighbors and folks they meet about the election.. they won't be saying, "Hi, I'm from the Tea Party". They'll be saying "I'm your neighbor calling on behalf of Candidate A who stands for these ideals and principles. We would like to have your vote." THAT is what the left should fear... and those in the know do fear.