Racist Government official

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#76
she absolutely should have been fired. these positions aren't for "learning" and getting over racism. just her statement that this guy clearly thought she was better than him indicates she's a huge racist. it's not as though she was a minor official.
 
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The reason the WH acted so quickly to force her out is because right now this admin with the help of NAACP and other organizations are actively trying to paint the entire TP movement with the same brush as the loons. This little episode would set that endeavor back and seriously weaken the legs of the case made by the White House to achieve the end result they are hoping for.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Because she has let race determine how much effort she would give this case. She belongs in this regime, she thinks like they do.
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droski said:
she absolutely should have been fired. these positions aren't for "learning" and getting over racism. just her statement that this guy clearly thought she was better than him indicates she's a huge racist. it's not as though she was a minor official.
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Whoa whoa whoa !!!!

I think you guys are suffering under the misapprehension that the lady allowed these feelings to alter her decision with her post for the Department of Agriculture in dealing with a white farmer in that post. That is actually the misleading nature of the video that is the whole problem.

Her comments about that were talking about how she felt 24 years ago in dealing with a white farmer when she had a job for some not for profit outfit, I think as a volunteer. She was recounting her feelings back then, and how she came to learn from that experience that its not about race.

You see, the whole way this got butchered by the original internet posting by the conservative was that it made it seem like she was saying she had done that recently, in her job with the Department of Agriculture. It is, in fact, the opposite. She learned from that experience 24 years ago not to think that way and to let the resentments go.

She is actually the poster-child for what the right wants -- a black person who has decided against allowing her experiences decades ago to influence her now. And that is the real shame of the whole situation -- the twisting of her comments to make it look like another black person in the Obama administration is a reverse racist.

Its the opposite.

Everyone looks bad on this.

Except for her.
 
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droski said:
no way a white man woudl be given the same benefit of the doubt from you.
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Huh?

I don't think you've been reading the news on this in the last day or so.

Her comments got butchered and edited up to make it appear that she was saying that she did this recently in her post with the Dept of Agriculture.

She was actually telling the meeting of the NAACP that, hey, I learned 24 years ago a lesson about this and to let go of my resentment towards white people and to help all of the poor struggling farmers, regardless of race.

She said that months ago at that meeting and its EXACTLY the message that the right wing wants to be sent and heard by black America.

When she said it, she had no idea that months later some right wing nut would chop it up and repackage it to make it sound like she acts on thoese old resentments now.

I mean, if hers is not an honest story of redemption on these issues -- and in the precise manner that the right wing insists upon -- then no one will ever be able to meet that test.

Hope she is offered and takes her job back.
 
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utvolpj said:
only Dems can repent and change
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Ain't it the truth.

Add to it, only LG can give us daily posts about how people doesn't know, has never met and never heard from are racists then go on a rant about people playing the race card.

No one, I mean no one here throws race around more than LG then he has the gall to rant about H/B/FNews throwing race around.

Example 1000 of how LG is everything he complains about.
 
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#83
American Thinker Blog: Forty Acres & a Mule -- Sherrod Style?

[FONT=times new roman,times]Blumer has some questions about this settlement and about Sherrod's rapid departure from the USDA [/FONT]


  • [FONT=times new roman,times]Was Ms. Sherrod's USDA appointment an unspoken condition of her organization's settlement?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=times new roman,times]How much "debt forgiveness" is involved in USDA's settlement with New Communities?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=times new roman,times]Why were the Sherrods so deserving of a combined $300,000 in "pain and suffering" payments -- amounts that far exceed the average payout thus far to everyone else? ($1.15 billion divided by 16,000 is about $72,000)?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=times new roman,times]Given that New Communities wound down its operations so long ago (it appears that this occurred sometime during the late 1980s), what is really being done with that $13 million in settlement money?[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]Here are a few bigger-picture questions:[/FONT]


  • [FONT=times new roman,times]Did Shirley Sherrod resign so quickly because the circumstances of her hiring and the lawsuit settlement with her organization that preceded it might expose some unpleasant truths about her possible and possibly sanctioned conflicts of interest?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=times new roman,times]Is USDA worried about the exposure of possible waste, fraud, and abuse in its handling of Pigford?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=times new roman,times]Did USDA also dispatch Sherrod hastily because her continued presence, even for another day, might have gotten in the way of settling Pigford matters quickly?[/FONT]
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lawgator1 said:
I mean, if hers is not an honest story of redemption on these issues -- and in the precise manner that the right wing insists upon -- then no one will ever be able to meet that test.

Your posts here make it absolutely clear you would not see redemption if this were a white person. You have zero credibility on judging whether or not someone is racist.


Hope she is offered and takes her job back.
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On a practical level, offering her the job back would make the administration look even dumber in this case. They F'd up and look weak - again.
 
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volinbham said:
On a practical level, offering her the job back would make the administration look even dumber in this case. They F'd up and look weak - again.
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She is going to get her job back, I think that is all but confirmed at this point.

I saw her interviewed this morning, and she actually seemed like a sweet lady. The farmer and his wife backed her and said she was great.

The good news is he administration has egg on their faces for not doing their due-diligence. I think it's just another example of Obama being in over his head.
 
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Vols520 said:
She is going to get her job back, I think that is all but confirmed at this point.

I saw her interviewed this morning, and she actually seemed like a sweet lady. The farmer and his wife backed her and said she was great.

The good news is he administration has egg on their faces for not doing their due-diligence. I think it's just another example of Obama being in over his head.
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Shhhhh ......

Don't you get it? The right has their postergirl for reverse racism and they ain't going to let go of it now. Otherwise, their complicity in the butchering of this lady's statements and the firestorm it generated are all for naught.

Disturbing that even with the white farmer "victim" saying, hey, wait a second, she's telling the truth, the right wing folks are a dog with a bone here and won't admit they got suckered in by one of their own.

This is too valuable to them because they get to claim on the one hand that she really is a reverse racist and on the other that they can't believe Obama fired her for it!
 
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lawgator1 said:
I watched the Sherrod thing and would say the following:

First, she had to go. Her comment that she did not give the farmer equal asistance because he was white cannot be ignored or tolerated.

Second, if you watch it further, she is explaining that she started from that premise and in referring him for further assistance realized that the issue as amongst farmers and her job was not one of race, but rather was one of the haves and the have nots. I think she is saying that she learned a lesson that government assistance is much more about class than anything else.

Regardless of her realization at the end of that process, however, she adopted a policy decision or action based on race and she's out.[/B]
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Looks like you had all the facts when you made these comments. Why the change in your stance?
 
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droski said:
no way a white man woudl be given the same benefit of the doubt from you.
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I give up and am done with him. There is no getting through. All dems are innocent, blacks and liberals can never be racist even when there is evidence to show they are and the TP is built on racism.
 
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vols4sure said:
Looks like you had all the facts when you made these comments. Why the change in your stance?
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Go read the stories from today as to the actual facts so you understand that she did not say what you have been misled into believing she said and get back to me.
 
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It is disturbing that, with the Sherrod controversy exposed as the fabrication it was, some people simply refuse to relent and realize that she is exactly what they want in a post-racial world.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is disturbing that, with the Sherrod controversy exposed as the fabrication it was, some people simply refuse to relent and realize that she is exactly what they want in a post-racial world.
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what we want is people who assume that all white people think they are better than them and then in the end reluctantly help them out when they have some guilt? or is your assumption that all black people hate white people and therefore she's the best we can expect?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Go read the stories from today as to the actual facts so you understand that she did not say what you have been misled into believing she said and get back to me.
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"Regardless of her realization at the end of that process, however, she adopted a policy decision or action based on race and she's out."
 
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Mystery solved - LG is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (or he's their logic advisor)

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Congressional Black Caucus releases statement on Sherrod firing - Blogs from CNN.com


 “It is troubling that Shirley Sherrod was asked for her resignation as Georgia State Director for Rural Development at the U.S. Department of Agriculture because of an edited video clip. A full review of the clip demonstrates Ms. Sherrod’s personal transformation. She was clearly educating the public about the power of redemption. It is now apparent that Secretary Vilsack did not have all of the facts available to him and overreacted.

“The Congressional Black Caucus continues to believe that Ms. Sherrod was unfairly asked to resign, without due process and should be reinstated immediately. There are many individuals still serving in the Department of Agriculture who were responsible for years of discrimination against African American farmers.

“We also believe that a national dialogue on race must be held. Last November, we held a forum on race in Washington DC to begin the discussion. The basis for Ms. Sherrod’s resignation is another example of why we must not sweep race under the rug. Rather, we must come together as a nation and recognize that we do not live in a post-racial era and that while difficult, we must confront these issues head on with clarity and without fear.

“Ms. Sherrod has been an effective public servant and it would be tragic to lose a person of such caliber, competence and commitment to fairness and equality and one who has dedicated her life to working for a more perfect union.”
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Translation of bolded statements:

Blanket statement that USDA is full of racists (white).

Call for open and honest dialogue on race.


Classic!
 
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droski said:
she absolutely should have been fired. these positions aren't for "learning" and getting over racism. just her statement that this guy clearly thought she was better than him indicates she's a huge racist. it's not as though she was a minor official.
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That's affirmative action for you.

Elena Kagan made a carreer of affirmative action action and threatening law suits.

BTW she just cleared the judicial committee and Lindsey 'rino' Graham voted for her the rest of the republicans on the committee voted against her.
 
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droski said:
what we want is people who assume that all white people think they are better than them and then in the end reluctantly help them out when they have some guilt? or is your assumption that all black people hate white people and therefore she's the best we can expect?
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You are really reaching here. She told a story of her own enlightenment about helping people based on need, as opposed to race. She told that lesson to the NAACP -- the EXACT message you want sent to the EXACT audience you want to hear it. And she did it with no idea any of this would happen.

And yet you cling to the notion that a quarter century ago she felt differently and despite the fact that she told fellow blacks not to feel that way and why and in context when it was of absolutely no benefit to her to do so.

YOU are the one who doesn't want to let go of your assumptions about her because of the way she felt 24 years ago.
 
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volinbham said:
Mystery solved - LG is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (or he's their logic advisor)

Call for open and honest dialogue on race.


Classic!
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Funny when Tennessee congressman Cohen tried to join the black caucus and was rejected.

Reason given, duh, "you ain't black, boy!!."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Shhhhh ......

Don't you get it? The right has their postergirl for reverse racism and they ain't going to let go of it now. Otherwise, their complicity in the butchering of this lady's statements and the firestorm it generated are all for naught.

Disturbing that even with the white farmer "victim" saying, hey, wait a second, she's telling the truth, the right wing folks are a dog with a bone here and won't admit they got suckered in by one of their own.

This is too valuable to them because they get to claim on the one hand that she really is a reverse racist and on the other that they can't believe Obama fired her for it!
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I recognize that your understanding on this matter may be limited by your American experience, and I fully expect you to ignore this fact again, just like you did when someone earlier in this thread pointed it out, but there is no such thing! Racism is racism regardless of the race of the racist and the race towards whom the racism is directed.
 
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