Racist Government official

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BigPapaVol said:
You can't really believe that this woman has "overcome" something?

You must have enormous respect, then, for our lone KKK member senator. Look how far he came.
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Surely there are degrees of grey here. I mean, yes, I'd agree she probably still harbours some suspicions and a level of resentment. But she said -- in an environment that one might suspect isn't excited to hear it and when it did her absolutely no good at all to say it -- that she had been through another experience that pulled her away from those resentments and suspicions.

When you think about it, her life experience bridges a period between a time when black people had to genuinley be worried about everyday personal safety, use of public transportation, and officially sanctioned segregation, to a time when a member of her race is the POTUS.




droski said:
i disagree. from her perspective anyone who hasn't gone through the racism she thinks she has experienced (obama being one) is a person who should be distrusted.
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I don't think she's saying "distrusted" as much as she's saying that not having had the same experience means he (or even we) cannot as easily relate or empathize with her.

I also think that, just as she is cognizant of the limitations of others to see things through the prism of her life, she is self-aware that if she is not on guard then her own experiences can delude her into taking the wrong path.

As I said the other day, it seems to me Sherrod is exactly what the right wing wants: a black person who had reason to resent white people but who told an organization of other black people that she has come to realize that do so is wrong.
 
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volinbham said:
There is a difference between prejudice, bigotry and racism. Not sure if that's the right order but racism is definitely and extreme form of prejudice and bigotry IMHO.

Racism gets used way too frequently and I would guess the percentage of Americans that are truly racist is very low.
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i don't disagree, but definitions of words change all the time and in this society those terms are blurred. language evolves over time. this is the teacher in you coming out. :)
 
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lawgator1 said:
I also think that, just as she is cognizant of the limitations of others to see things through the prism of her life, she is self-aware that if she is not on guard then her own experiences can delude her into taking the wrong path.

As I said the other day, it seems to me Sherrod is exactly what the right wing wants: a black person who had reason to resent white people but who told an organization of other black people that she has come to realize that do so.
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so i guess you are completely disregarding her comments about fox wanting to keep the black people down?
 
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droski said:
so i guess you are completely disregarding her comments about fox wanting to keep the black people down?
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Exactly - she's either consciously or not using a powerful tool (too powerful) to attack an opponent.

The racism allegation is way too powerful and to use it with such disregard shows she either knows how to use race to her advantage or hasn't really transformed much at all.
 
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volinbham said:
A couple of comments:

1. Glad the NAACP CEO acknowledges racial intolerance this but that indicates it wasn't misconstrued (or he just wants political cover).

2. Assuming it was misconstrued (it was 24 years ago afterall and apparently she tells the story as part of a larger story about getting past race) I think she's catching too much flak for this.

Racial incidents are way more radioactive than they should be. She really doesn't get a chance to explain and poof she's gone. Happens way too frequently IMHO.

Ironically, the NAACP jumping on her makes the matter worse and makes any racial comment highly dangerous. So much for a serious dialogue on race.
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Finally someone who gets it.:hi:
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I said the other day, it seems to me Sherrod is exactly what the right wing wants: a black person who had reason to resent white people but who told an organization of other black people that she has come to realize that do so is wrong.
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AHA!!! Here we have you, in an indirect manner, admitting that it is the right wing that wants to eliminate bigotry and racism!!! :yahoo: :whistling:
 
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droski said:
may i ask why?
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MG1968 said:
because it's Fox News. LG will offer no rational, or even factual, explanation for believing that FNC wants to see America return to the days of segregation and Jim Crow.
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See, the latter comment above is another attempt to restate my position in such a manner as to make it facially ridiculous. That effort, in and of itself, is a big part fo the problem here from the right.

I am not saying that the peopleat Fox news are advocating a return to the "days of segregation and Jim Crow."

But if you look at their consistent reporting and commentary that is critical of the interests of the minority communities, of things like affirmative action, or programs that target assistance in a manner most likely to benefit minorities and the poor, I think it is fair to conclude that they are generally hostile towards minority interests.

Any other conclusion would ignore the reality of their reporting and commentary on these issues.
 
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lawgator1 said:
See, the latter comment above is another attempt to restate my position in such a manner as to make it facially ridiculous. That effort, in and of itself, is a big part fo the problem here from the right.

I am not saying that the peopleat Fox news are advocating a return to the "days of segregation and Jim Crow."

But if you look at their consistent reporting and commentary that is critical of the interests of the minority communities, of things like affirmative action, or programs that target assistance in a manner most likely to benefit minorities and the poor, I think it is fair to conclude that they are generally hostile towards minority interests.

Any other conclusion would ignore the reality of their reporting and commentary on these issues.
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so in other words you think she has a point? :eek:lol:

love how you shut down any implication that foxnews doesn't hate black people
 
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so because the editorial leanings of FNC have more in common with ML King's vision of a future where it's the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin, that matters, you think FNC is hostile toward minorities?

I bet you've never walked around in Detroit have you? You should. You'll see firsthand what the effects of decades of democrat control does to the minority communities you claim to have such concern for.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But if you look at their consistent reporting and commentary that is critical of the interests of the minority communities, of things like affirmative action, or programs that target assistance in a manner most likely to benefit minorities and the poor, I think it is fair to conclude that they are generally hostile towards minority interests.

Any other conclusion would ignore the reality of their reporting and commentary on these issues.
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Wow.

There we have Race Card 101. Throw out an assertion. Cherry pick some "facts" you think support the case and label it all with "hostile" intentions.

What are minority interests? How are they determined? Is expansion of welfare in the interest of minorities or against minority interests?
 
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Big losers in this fiasco:

NAACP and the White House with their knee jerk responses.

BTW, the speech was recorded at an NCAAP convention, if the NAACP was so concerned with racism, why didn't they condemn it then instead of applauding wildly??

Vilsack may end up a loser, rumor has it that the administration would love so sack Vilsack, he is the only cabinet level Obambi appointee that isn't thoroughly a marxist.

Big winners in the fiasco:

Beck, he is the only one who didn't run with the story and was the first in the nation the next morning to explain what she had said and put it in context.

Sherrod, who got her job and $13 million from a law suit charging racism, now stands to move up once again.

Why don't the media look into where all the $13 million went or even mention it??? Oh wait, that might be racist. You can bet if she was a Joe the plumer type that could tell every time she even farted in the last ten years.

What Shirley is doing now publicly is to try to reframe the discussion from marxist inspired racist talking point to marxist inspired economic class talking points.

That was what she was doing in her speech to the NAACP.

Shirley named her son Kenyatta, anyone with any knowledge of the history of Kenya should know who that is.

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I'll have to say that (the Kenyan) Kenyatta was one hell of a lot better man than current Obambi crony Odinga who is about a low as it gets.

Has everyone now gotten their fill of talk about racism and forgotten the hot topic before this manufactured media spin distraction??

Namely, why did Holder order the dropping of civil rights charges against the new panthers of in Philadelphia and order his attorneys to ignore subpoenas from the civil rights commission??

Is it leagal for them to ignore subpoenas from the commission???
 
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lawgator1 said:
But if you look at their consistent reporting and commentary that is critical of the interests of the minority communities, of things like affirmative action, or programs that target assistance in a manner most likely to benefit minorities and the poor, I think it is fair to conclude that they are generally hostile towards minority interests.

Any other conclusion would ignore the reality of their reporting and commentary on these issues.
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So... if you think people are better off without gov't crutches to keep them dependent and crippled... and you BELIEVE that people should be treated equally and be equally responsible for themselves (like MLK dreamed)... then you're a racist? If you believe in individual rights rather than dividing people into subservient classes... you're a racist?
 
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droski said:
LG clearly thinks arguing against expansion of welfare means you hate black people (who's the racist really here?).
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Yeah... because the left in the backs of their minds must not believe that blacks truly are equal. They NEED their help or else they aren't strong/smart/industrious enough to make it on their own.

There are few things in America today more pervasively racist than the low expectations the left has for black people.
 
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MG1968 said:
she claimed that Fox news wants to see blacks returned to a time when they had to look down in the presence of a white man. That doesn't sound particularly grounded to me.
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Again, one comment here or there less than 48 hours after the incident isn't indicative of her true beliefs. As a whole, her commentary has sounded reasonable.

I do agree with VBH and BPV, racism is a pretty radical charge. After what happened to her, especially so short afterward, she probably picked a group just on the other side of the aisle from where she believes and took it too far. Given what was said in the entire tape, and lack of any other evidence the last 24 years to the contrary, I am chalking it up to being hypersensitive and emotional.
 
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sjt18 said:
So... if you think people are better off without gov't crutches to keep them dependent and crippled... and you BELIEVE that people should be treated equally and be equally responsible for themselves (like MLK dreamed)... then you're a racist? If you believe in individual rights rather than dividing people into subservient classes... you're a racist?
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The democrat plantation lives on.



sjt18 said:
Yeah... because the left in the backs of their minds must not believe that blacks truly are equal. They NEED their help or else they aren't strong/smart/industrious enough to make it on their own.

There are few things in America today more pervasively racist than the low expectations the left has for black people.
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In reality obama and company want to enfranchise racism, not end it.




rjd970 said:
Again, one comment here or there less than 48 hours after the incident isn't indicative of her true beliefs. As a whole, her commentary has sounded reasonable.

I do agree with VBH and BPV, racism is a pretty radical charge. After what happened to her, especially so short afterward, she probably picked a group just on the other side of the aisle from where she believes and took it too far. Given what was said in the entire tape, and lack of any other evidence the last 24 years to the contrary, I am chalking it up to being hypersensitive and emotional.
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But 24 years ago she did use her position in a racist way??
 
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I agree that the term racist doesn't apply here as I too hold a very high threshold for people I think deserve the term. She has shown some very poor judgment though, publicly stating that she at one time felt driven to only serve "her kind" until her revelation. Then she supplants that with the struggle of the poor. Does this mean now that she will only do the best she can to help those she believes are the have nots and treat those who she believes have means like the farmer she almost blew off?

I am glad she got past her bigoted views on race but is it any better for someone in her position to replace those views of race with ones of class? Does that really make a big difference here?
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree that the term racist doesn't apply here as I too hold a very high threshold for people I think deserve the term. She has shown some very poor judgment though, publicly stating that she at one time felt driven to only serve "her kind" until her revelation. Then she supplants that with the struggle of the poor. Does this mean now that she will only do the best she can to help those she believes are the have nots and treat those who she believes have means like the farmer she almost blew off?

I am glad she got past her bigoted views on race but is it any better for someone in her position to replace those views of race with ones of class? Does that really make a big difference here?
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Are you sure??

Sherrod still makes public appearances in which she refers to 'racist conservatives' as if to characterize all conservatives as racist.

According to Webster; "Bigot - one who is blindly attached to a particular creed and intolerant of the beliefs and practices of others."

Is the NAACP not a bigoted organization itself??

I mentioned your point earlier that she seems to try to shift from race to class in keeping with the marxist roots of the NAACP.
 
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