Randy Sanders comments about procure penalties

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 26, 2005 5:08 PM
His "lack of players" is his own fault as well. They pay him handsomely to recruit offensive players. Cutcliffe was instrumental in the recruitment of Shuler, Manning and Martin. Wake up RS, this is the second complete class of players to graduate on your watch. Maybe RS cannot recruit either because we know he cannot coach!

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That's what scouts are for. DUH! Randy Sanders isn't head of the recruiting dept either. That belongs to PF and TT.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 26, 2005 2:41 PM
I would like to know from some of you, if you are a coach, you preach to your team, all week long the importance of hanging on to the football.  You run drill after drill, play after play, punishing them after each time they fumble, up until the point that they finally begin to hold on to the ball to your liking.  AND THEN, they get into a game and fumble. 

How do you folks fix that problem?

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Easy. You cant fumble on the bench.

 

[Fayettevol]

This board is beginning to resemble the Bama forums of the last few years!

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 26, 2005 6:18 PM
Easy.  You cant fumble on the bench.

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But can you win with 2nd and 3rd string backs in?

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 26, 2005 6:41 PM
But can you win with 2nd and 3rd string backs in?

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well, we aren't winning with the first string back... it's worth a try, isn't it?? sometimes the second and third stringers are actually better than the first stringer. the first stringer usually has seniority, and more experience.

 

[Lexvol]

If he is not smart enough not to say " We will be getting the plays in faster, along with the correct players to execute those plays, and stop waiting until the last minute to snap the ball" then he is not as smart as his supporters give him credit for.

At this point his answer should be, we have figured it out, and we have fixed it.

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 26, 2005 9:00 PM
If he is not smart enough not to say " We will be getting the plays in faster, along with the correct players to execute those plays, and stop waiting until the last minute to snap the ball" then he is not as smart as his supporters give him credit for.

At this point his answer should be, we have figured it out, and we have fixed it.

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Besides the point, what really matters is what happens BETWEEN the whistles!!! I dont care about how fast the play gets in or not, they aren't executing those plays. Like I said, look at the other factors too in why this offensive is not working, etc. Offensive football is more complicated than you seem to be able to comprehend.

 

[gonygonygo]

Realize that Tennessee needs a running game!!! Not being able to run has made us one dimensional, which is not good when your weakest ability must become your primary. These guys on the field are overrated!! Dont expect the same results with mediocre players. They are not proven, and people like you (Lexvol) want to fantasize that Tennessee's players this year are as good as ever. So what do you do?? You blame the coaching staff to make you feel better.

This coaching staff won a national championship, and made appearances in 2 more SEC championship games. You act like there are not other quality opponents in the SEC that can compete with us (and beat us).

Dont go through life with a bias about YOUR team because they are the team you follow! I recognize competition, and sometimes you cannot overcome it.

 

[gonygonygo]

You can listen to any college football analysis on TV (not that they are always reliable), but when they criticize the vols, it's not the coaching staff. It's the players on the field. Yes, players are a reflection of their coach, but they are the ones competing BETWEEN the whistles.

They are undisciplined and overrated. I think they have all the heart in the world, but I think their talent has fallen off.

I agree with you that Randy Sanders isn't God, but please be rational when you analyze the situation. He's calling plays that they can run.

Ok, situation, it's 3rd and 12. We are backed up on our own 15 (which is normal because of the special teams- but you wont blame any of the problem on them). Since Rick Clausen has a weak arm (and the defense knows it too, so they expect a short pass), why call what the defense is looking for? At least a more conservative call is necessary. I like a punt rather than throwing an interception deep in our own territory. In that case we put the game in the hands of our defense, which is more than capable of holding their own.

Maybe if we had a decent running attack, it wouldn't always be 3rd and 12. Maybe 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1. That is a more manageable situation. And the defense can't as easily predict what the offense is going to do. It's pretty obvious when it's 3rd and 12 that the offense is going to pass. But you dont know that when it's 3rd and 1.

 

[gonygonygo]

if we cant figure out the running game, we aren't going to fix any problems...

PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!

our offensive scheme is not designed to go out and pretend like we are Spurrier's florida. We HAVE to run the ball first. It's our bread and butter.

Every successful UT team of the past has had the identity of being able to run the ball, Even Peyton's team. Please dont call me a liar.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by Liper@Oct 26, 2005 1:47 PM
Were the fumbles the players or the coaches?  That's tough; obviously the players are culpible.  But this answer goes deeper.

When players are motivated, trained, confident, and trying to WIN instead of NOT MAKE MISTAKES, they play better.  Now, that is a very subjective thing; but anyone who's played sports at a high level knows this is true.  Our players are UNPREPARED and SCARED OF MAKING MISTAKES.  That is the worst of all worlds.  This is the EXACT reason why Spurrier owned Foulmer's ass all of those years.  Not only are our players unsure of what to do, they are bemoaned to not mess up.  Not only do good coaches out-scheme and out-prepare us (our offense mostly), but their players tend to just flat-out play to more of their potential.

Why did TN seem to make all of thise mistakes when they played FL and no one else?  And why did FL seem to play their best or one of their best games against us?  I mean, FL's skill didn't make Jay Graham fumble on a 3 and 1 dive play; Fl's skill didn't make balls bounce off of people's legs and into James Bates hands; or how many of the other supposed "poorly executed" things that always happened.

My point is that, YES, I think our GENERAL lack of execution and whatever else is coaching.  Now, we could nit-pick one play like a fumble and say it isn't coaching; and that would be fair.  But the systemic problems are there and they pre-date this supposed drop-off and they pre-date RS.  They are just more magnified now because of: (1) Cutcliffe is gone and left a void on the staff and (2) We have less talent in key spots such as QB.

I'm with Patrick, however (and I have always noticed this).  RS doesn't understand why we're playing bad and neither does Fulmer.  Since they are delusional about their influence on our past successes, the only thing they can think is to blame the players.  When we play well, they don't know why.  When we played bad, they don't know why.

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:clapping: Great post. If you watch our offensive team come out onto the field, you sense an "air of uncertainty." All the way from calling the plays to the actual execution, there is hesitation and confusion. It almost looks like we are doomed for failure before we even snap the football. And, most importantly, this is nothing new. Every team since '98 (and even that team, at times) has lacked the crisp confidence of the "big guns" that sit atop the rankings and statistics.

Try this out: on Saturday, flip through channels and try to pick up a USC or Texas or V Tech game and watch it OBJECTIVELY. The well-coached teams just seem to LOOK good when they take the field. Even easier, remember how much better Georgia looked against us? Or watch Notre Dame in a few weeks.

IMO, until we achieve the same sort of bravado that characterizes great offensive teams, we will continue to struggle. If this isn't the coaches' responsibility, then whose is it?

 

[OWB]

Great post. If you watch our offensive team come out onto the field,

Pun intended??

Try this out: on Saturday, flip through channels and try to pick up a USC or Texas or V Tech game and watch it OBJECTIVELY. The well-coached teams just seem to LOOK good when they take the field. Even easier, remember how much better Georgia looked against us? Or watch Notre Dame in a few weeks.

Everyone can start early because Va Tech plays tonight. Notice how they play sound football on ALL sides of the ball. Plus, they have a QB who can throw 3 INT's and can still win by more than 2 TD's.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 27, 2005 8:39 AM
Plus, they have a QB who can throw 3 INT's and  can still win by more than 2 TD's.

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So do we.

(oops, didn't mean to open that can of worms. . .)

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Oct 27, 2005 6:15 AM
Besides the point, what really matters is what happens BETWEEN the whistles!!!  I dont care about how fast the play gets in or not, they aren't executing those plays.  Like I said, look at the other factors too in why this offensive is not working, etc.  Offensive football is more complicated than you seem to be able to comprehend.

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That is not beside the point. The point is RS is not smart enough to answer reporters questions, and if you cannot understand that it is your level of comprehension that falls into question.

TOs wasted to avoid delay of game are not important?

Delay of game penalties are not important?

Lack of explosion from the line from being in their stance for 24 seconds is not important?

Preparation and communication have nothing to do with execution?

Wake up man.

 

[patrick]

Amen lex

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 27, 2005 10:05 AM
That is not beside the point.  The point is RS is not smart enough to answer reporters questions, and if you cannot understand that it is your level of comprehension that falls into question.

TOs wasted to avoid delay of game are not important?

Delay of game penalties are not important?

Lack of explosion from the line from being in their stance for 24 seconds is not important?

Preparation and communication have nothing to do with execution?

Wake up man.

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First of all, I dont remember saying those things were not important. Please quote me, if you are going to put words in my mouth.

I dont believe a lack of timeouts prevented us from any of our scoring opportunities.

I can't recall the offensive line being in their stances for 24 seconds. If anything they aren't in their stances long at all since they dont get set util the play clock is under 10 seconds. (I believe Peyton Manning is the king of changing plays at the line of scrimmage, and football rules are no different in the NFL when it comes to pre-snap movement. I wonder why HIS line has no problem with explosion.) And if i remember, the defensive linemen are in their stances just the same before the snap. i dont see them having a lack of explosion blowing up our plays in the backfield or rushing the passer.

Delay of game penalties are important. (I agree wtih you on that one)

Are you suggesting that preparation and communication are exclusively the responsibility of Randy Sanders?? If that's the case, what the hell are the responsibilities of the OL, WR, RB, and QB coaches??

Look, I agree that the coaching staff is not hitting on all 8 cylinders. But stop putting the blame on one individual (RS). If his job is to just call plays (i'm not sure since i'm not employed by the team), how can he be responsible for EVERY aspect of what it takes to make that offense click.

One more thing, it does not appear that you are willing to put any of the blame on the players. I have come to the conclusion that you believe (correct me if i'm wrong) ANY player, no matter skill, athletic ability, or intelligence is just as capable of performing at the highest level as long as his coach is doing his job. That would mean that players are only as good and talented as their coach. Hell, I could take a girls flag football team and have them competing for tops in the SEC east if I coached them properly.

Last, but not least you have not mentioned a thing about special teams. They are just as important as offense and defense, if not more. They have sucked more than any other part of the team, but once again.... (repeat after me)

WHO'S FAULT IS IT?? RANDY SANDERS!!!! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!! (it doesn't even matter about the special teams coach, or the ability of the players because Randy Sanders sucks)

I love UT just as much as you do, and I love debating! :biggrin2:

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Oct 27, 2005 10:53 AM
Look, I agree that the coaching staff is not hitting on all 8 cylinders.  But stop putting the blame on one individual (RS).  If his job is to just call plays (i'm not sure since i'm not employed by the team), how can he be responsible for EVERY aspect of what it takes to make that offense click.

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Yeah, RS takes too much blame - way too much. This is Fulmer's offense, run through the mought of RS.

Question: When was the last time TN's offense finished in the top 5 of the SEC in total offense?

I'm not sure, but I think it may have been 1997.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by Liper@Oct 27, 2005 12:15 PM
This is Fulmer's offense, run through the mought of RS.

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Absolutely. I am baffled as to how so many people in Vol-Country can simultaneously continue to praise Fulmer and crucify Sanders. This is, and always has been, Fulmer's O.

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 27, 2005 12:23 PM
Absolutely.  I am baffled as to how so many people in Vol-Country can simultaneously continue to praise Fulmer and crucify Sanders.  This is, and always has been, Fulmer's O.

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You have to excuse their ignorance. But it's hard to forgive them because when you put factual information in front of them, they refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[patrick]

I concur. It starts at the top.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Oct 27, 2005 10:53 AM
First of all, I dont remember saying those things were not important.  Please quote me, if you are going to put words in my mouth.

I dont believe a lack of timeouts prevented us from any of our scoring opportunities.

I can't recall the offensive line being in their stances for 24 seconds.  If anything they aren't in their stances long at all since they dont get set util the play clock is under 10 seconds.  (I believe Peyton Manning is the king of changing plays at the line of scrimmage, and football rules are no different in the NFL when it comes to pre-snap movement.  I wonder why HIS line has no problem with explosion.)  And if i remember, the defensive linemen are in their stances just the same before the snap.  i dont see them having a lack of explosion blowing up our plays in the backfield or rushing the passer.

Delay of game penalties are important.  (I agree wtih you on that one)

Are you suggesting that preparation and communication are exclusively the responsibility of Randy Sanders??  If that's the case, what the hell are the responsibilities of the OL, WR, RB, and QB coaches?? 

Look, I agree that the coaching staff is not hitting on all 8 cylinders.  But stop putting the blame on one individual (RS).  If his job is to just call plays (i'm not sure since i'm not employed by the team), how can he be responsible for EVERY aspect of what it takes to make that offense click.

One more thing, it does not appear that you are willing to put any of the blame on the players.  I have come to the conclusion that you believe (correct me if i'm wrong) ANY player, no matter skill, athletic ability, or intelligence is just as capable of performing at the highest level as long as his coach is doing his job.  That would mean that players are only as good and talented as their coach.  Hell, I could take a girls flag football team and have them competing for tops in the SEC east if I coached them properly.

Last, but not least you have not mentioned a thing about special teams.  They are just as important as offense and defense, if not more.  They have sucked more than any other part of the team, but once again.... (repeat after me)

WHO'S FAULT IS IT??  RANDY SANDERS!!!!  OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!  (it doesn't even matter about the special teams coach, or the ability of the players because Randy Sanders sucks)

I love UT just as much as you do, and I love debating! :biggrin2:

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Sorry buckshot, but that is what you said in your message. You implied that it was only the play that was important. And I am saying that it does matter how quickly you get the play in, and it does matter that you have the right personnel in the game. And you question my intelligence?

 

[Volstorm]

Does Sanders remind anyone of Buzz?

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by Volstorm@Oct 27, 2005 1:35 PM
Does Sanders remind anyone of Buzz?

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It is amazing, the team is in obvious turmoil, and the coaches are beginning to act like they don't even know one another. There are some strange things going on.

 

[indyvol15]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 26, 2005 2:01 PM
Ok  SO now, you have benched our top 2 TBs, our starting FB, our starting Return man and now, our all SEC lineman. 

Yeah!  Sounds like a winning formula to me.  Exactly what our Offense needs.

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You dont see Notre Dame making the same mistakes this year as they did last year, and they have a whole new staff..

Now someone tell me that coaching doesn't matter! They are less talented and more disciplined...

next question

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Oct 26, 2005 6:06 PM
That's what scouts are for.  DUH!  Randy Sanders isn't head of the recruiting dept either.  That belongs to PF and TT.

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Wrong! Scouts tell Randy who to recruit and sign. If he cannot recruit and sign the likes of Shuler, Manning, Martin as did Cutcliffe then that is even more reason to can his a$$.