Rank the QB's after Martin

#126
#126
Overall QB skills: Dating back to my age.
1. Peyton Manning
2. Andy Kelly
3. Jeff Francis
4. Tee Martin
5. Casey Clausen
6. Erik Ainge
7. Heath Shuler
8. Tyler Bray
9. Jonathon Crompton
10. Rick Clausen

Overall QB physical tools:(arm strength, movement, etc)
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tyler Bray
3. Jonathon Crompton
4. Andy Kelly
5. Erik Ainge
6. Heath Shuler
7. Casey Clausen
8. Jeff Francis
9. Tee Maritn
10. Rick Clausen


Matt Simms is not allowed to be included in this topic nor is Stephens.

Anyway! that was fun....i love the qb discussions.
 
#129
#129
1972 Grad said:
I guess that it helps your reputation when you are on a really good team, and win a Nat Ch. I have edited this to add Tee Martin. He seems to be about mid-pack in this group of the 6 who followed him.
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that is a little surprising,I thought he would have rated a little higher
 
#130
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1972 Grad said:
By career completion %
Peyton Manning 62.5%
Casey Clausen 61%
Erik Ainge 60.6%
Tyler Bray 58.6%
Rick Clausen 58.3%
Tee Martin 55.5%
Jon Crompton 55.3%
Matt Simms 54.5%

By career quarterback rating:
Peyton Manning 147.1
Tyler Bray 145.0
Casey Clausen 139.8
Erik Ainge 134.8
Tee Martin 133.8
Rick Clausen 123.5
Jon Crompton 123.1
Matt Simms 116.7


By Best single year QB rating:

Erik Ainge Jr. 151.9
Casey Clausen Soph. 150.0
P. Manning Jr.& Sr 147.7
Tyler Bray Jr. 146.3
Tee Martin Jr. 144.4
Jon Crompton Sr. 136.0
Rick Clausen Jr. 130.2
Matt Simms Jr. 129.3


By career yds per attempt:
Manning 8.1
Bray 8.1
T. Martin 7.8
C. Clausen 7.6
Ainge 7.2
Simms 6.9
R. Clausen 6.9
Crompton 6.7
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I edited this to add Manning for comparison. Manning's QB rating for his 4 years was 145.2, 141.5, 147.7 and 147.7 again.
 
#131
#131
mscox75 said:
Overall QB skills: Dating back to my age.
1. Peyton Manning
2. Andy Kelly
3. Jeff Francis
4. Tee Martin
5. Casey Clausen
6. Erik Ainge
7. Heath Shuler
8. Tyler Bray
9. Jonathon Crompton
10. Rick Clausen

Overall QB physical tools:(arm strength, movement, etc)
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tyler Bray
3. Jonathon Crompton
4. Andy Kelly
5. Erik Ainge
6. Heath Shuler
7. Casey Clausen
8. Jeff Francis
9. Tee Maritn
10. Rick Clausen


Matt Simms is not allowed to be included in this topic nor is Stephens.

Anyway! that was fun....i love the qb discussions.
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Not to be overly critical, but you simply are not giving Heath Shuler enough credit. He had an absolute cannon for an arm and he was every bit as mobile as Tee Martin. Furthermore, he finished 2nd in Heisman trophy balloting in 1993.

You mentioned Jeff Francis. Are you not quite old enough to remember Tony Robinson? In terms of physical tools, Tony would far surpass most of the quarterbacks on this list.
 
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#132
#132
Volosaurus rex said:
Not to be overly critical, but you simply are not giving Heath Shuler enough credit. He had an absolute cannon for an arm and he was every bit as mobile as Tee Martin. Furthermore, he finished 2nd in Heisman trophy balloting in 1993.

You mentioned Jeff Francis. Are you not quite old enough to remember Tony Robinson? In terms of physical tools, Tony would far surpass most of the quarterbacks on this list.
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Shuler was an excellent college qb, and threw it on the run as well as anybody ever did at U.T.

T Rob had some incredible skills, but I think that his teammates slacked off and waited for him to make a play, because they knew that he would. It is a shame that he couldn't stay out of trouble.
 
#133
#133
Agreed on both points with respect to Tony. 'twas a classic example of extraordinary talent wasted. The teams that he played on didn't possess the overall talent of our late '90s teams but they were still prone to the "let-the-superstar-pull-it-out-of-his-hat" syndrome. Ironically, it was his loss that served as a rallying cry, particularly for the defense, and made them play about three quantum levels above their previous level of play during the '85 season.
 
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#134
Volosaurus rex said:
Agreed on both points with respect to Tony. 'twas a classic example of extraordinary talent wasted. The teams that he played on didn't possess the overall talent of our late '90s teams but they were still prone to the "let-the-superstar-pull-it-out-of-his-hat" syndrome. Ironically, it was his loss that served as a rallying cry, particularly for the defense, and made them play about three quatum levels above their previous level of play during the '85 season.
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That is a fact. The Sugar Bowl Vols of 85 played as a team with no real stars. They had good players, but I got the feeling that nobody cared who got the credit.
 
#135
#135
Absolutely. As the crown jewel of that team's performance, the '86 Sugar Bowl annihilation of Miami was the single most inspired performance I have seen from a Tennessee team in my 45 years of fandom. In terms of intensity, the defense played like eleven Mike Singletarys.
 
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#136
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mscox75 said:
Overall QB skills: Dating back to my age.
1. Peyton Manning
2. Andy Kelly
3. Jeff Francis
4. Tee Martin
5. Casey Clausen
6. Erik Ainge
7. Heath Shuler
8. Tyler Bray
9. Jonathon Crompton
10. Rick Clausen

Overall QB physical tools:(arm strength, movement, etc)
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tyler Bray
3. Jonathon Crompton
4. Andy Kelly
5. Erik Ainge
6. Heath Shuler
7. Casey Clausen
8. Jeff Francis
9. Tee Maritn
10. Rick Clausen


Matt Simms is not allowed to be included in this topic nor is Stephens.

Anyway! that was fun....i love the qb discussions.
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Shuler is #2 on the top list and possibly #1 on the second. He is still the second best quarterback in UT history in my opinion. He had wheels and a cannon.
 
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#137
#137
Volosaurus rex said:
Not to be overly critical, but you simply are not giving Heath Shuler enough credit. He had an absolute cannon for an arm and he was every bit as mobile as Tee Martin. Furthermore, he finished 2nd in Heisman trophy balloting in 1993.

You mentioned Jeff Francis. Are you not quite old enough to remember Tony Robinson? In terms of physical tools, Tony would far surpass most of the quarterbacks on this list.
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I don't remember Tony Robinson or Condredge Holloway. Good point on Shuler.....He is actually my favorite but I don't think his IQ was there. I couldn't remember his arm strength though.
 
#138
#138
Check out the youtube video of the UT vs AU game in the 80's...Bo Jackson and Tony Robinson are in that one. Still one of the best UT wins ever imo. AU was ranked very high and UT handled them in Knox.
 
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#140
Bluetic said:
Check out the youtube video of the UT vs AU game in the 80's...Bo Jackson and Tony Robinson are in that one. Still one of the best UT wins ever imo. AU was ranked very high and UT handled them in Knox.
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I was there , and the place was rockin'.
 
#141
#141
mscox75 said:
Overall QB skills: Dating back to my age.
1. Peyton Manning
2. Andy Kelly
3. Jeff Francis
4. Tee Martin
5. Casey Clausen
6. Erik Ainge
7. Heath Shuler
8. Tyler Bray
9. Jonathon Crompton
10. Rick Clausen

Overall QB physical tools:(arm strength, movement, etc)
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tyler Bray
3. Jonathon Crompton
4. Andy Kelly
5. Erik Ainge
6. Heath Shuler
7. Casey Clausen
8. Jeff Francis
9. Tee Maritn
10. Rick Clausen


Matt Simms is not allowed to be included in this topic nor is Stephens.

Anyway! that was fun....i love the qb discussions.
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I can go back a couple more!! This is a good list though.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Heath Shuler
3. Andy Kelly
4. Alan Cockrell
5. Tony Robinson
6. Jonathon Crompton
7. Tee Martin
8. Jeff Francis
9. Jerry Colquitt
10. Tyler Bray

Remember Colquitt and Shuler alternated some possesions, Colquitt got hurt his Sr. season should have got the extra year of eligability, which NCAA didn't grant.....and he still got drafted. He was a good QB. I'm convinced, if Shuler has any other Head Coach in the League at the time, ho would have played until 2007-2008. Norv Turner Sucks....
 
#142
#142
TNHopeful505 said:
But let me submit this to you....

Why would you say Tyler is better than Crompton?

Admittedly, Crompton had some bad games.

BUT Tyler Bray never won a big game, whereas Crompton won some big ones against Georgia and South Carolina, and almost led us to beat Alabama.

I mean, I know that Bray statistically was better, I'm just wondering what pushes Bray over Crompton.

(P.S. I'm not saying that I think Crompton is better/worse than Bray. I'm just throwing the wrench in there)
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ill tell you why bray is above crompton because ut had way more talent when Crompton played than now they had a pretty good defense and good oline and wr and rb.but Bray hass only had a good oline this year and wr with hunter hurt ,rodgers had a great season but he has never played with a rb that you could count on as 100 yards plus a game c clausen was a winner not near as talented and had a floater arm not a rifle arm but he won games.everyone thinks of MANNING when they think of qb but martin had a cannon of an arm was pretty accurate at carolina he was 21 of 22 at one point plus he could pull the ball down and run as fast as most running qb ever .it just fell in to placee his junior year cause he could run and pass and had great running backs and some damn fine wideouts and a great defense and a little sister luck when clint stonerd the football and ut rcovered.and UT was dew because they were really ckase with peyton. as far as wr j hunter had a very good junior year which could have been a great jr year but i can remember more than 15 drop balls without thinking at all and a couple in two or three games in which the Vols might have one if not for the drops them so instead of having one of the best years as wr he had no better that 5 or 6 best season
 
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#143
#143
Volosaurus rex said:
Absolutely. As the crown jewel of that team's performance, the '86 Sugar Bowl annihilation of Miami was the single most inspired performance I have seen from a Tennessee team in my 45 years of fandom. In terms of intensity, the defense played like eleven Mike Singletarys.
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The great Ken Donahue at his best. Attack, attack, attack!
 
#144
#144
volfan414life said:
ill tell you why bray is above crompton because ut had way more talent when Crompton played than now they had a pretty good defense and good oline and wr and rb.but Bray hass only had a good oline this year and wr with hunter hurt ,rodgers had a great season but he has never played with a rb that you could count on as 100 yards plus a game c clausen was a winner not near as talented and had a floater arm not a rifle arm but he won games.everyone thinks of MANNING when they think of qb but martin had a cannon of an arm was pretty accurate at carolina he was 21 of 22 at one point plus he could pull the ball down and run as fast as most running qb ever .it just fell in to placee his junior year cause he could run and pass and had great running backs and some damn fine wideouts and a great defense and a little sister luck when clint stonerd the football and ut rcovered.and UT was dew because they were really ckase with peyton. as far as wr j hunter had a very good junior year which could have been a great jr year but i can remember more than 15 drop balls without thinking at all and a couple in two or three games in which the Vols might have one if not for the drops them so instead of having one of the best years as wr he had no better that 5 or 6 best season
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Martin completed his first 23 passes against a 1-10 South Carolina team that beat Ball State in its opener, and lost the last 10 in a row. He was a career 55% passer. As far as running goes, he carried the ball about 7 or 8 times a game for about 25 yards , or 300 a season. He averaged a 3 or 4 yards a carry, depending on which season.
 
#145
#145
TNHopeful505 said:
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Tyler Bray


How would you rate them?

Also, now that Hunter's career with UT is over, where would you rank him among the "greats?" Or would you even rank him up there?


Just interested in everyone's opinions, now that another QB's career in the book of UT football.
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casey clausen
eric ainge
tyler bray
j crompton
rick c
matt sims
 
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