Rank the QB's after Martin

#76
#76
Hunter in the company of...

Willie Gault?
Carl Pickens?
Alvin Harper?
Stanley Morgan?
Anthony Morgan?
Joey Kent?

Um.....nope.

Heck, I'd take Craig Faulkner over Hunter. Faulkner was WAY more dependable in the clutch situations and wasn't afraid to go over the middle.
 
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#77
#77
Bray and Hunter could have broken every record and left a legacy here. Instead, they leave as coulda-beens that squandered an opportunity to be great. It's unlikely that their time here will be remembered fondly.
 
#78
#78
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Anyone else x100
Then
Tyler Bray
Sorry never like Tyler Bray. Undisciplined, cry baby, & quitter. He will not make it in the NFL. Unless he gets with a coach who has patience to deal with a immature kid.
 
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bigorange1963 said:
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Anyone else x100
Then
Tyler Bray
Sorry never like Tyler Bray. Undisciplined, cry baby, & quitter. He will not make it in the NFL. Unless he gets with a coach who has patience to deal with a immature kid.
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You have absolutely no clue.

Tyler Bray has more NFL talent than the rest of the list....combined. He does have maturity issues which may cause limitations but his abilities are as good as any pocket QB to come out in several years (not named Luck). How many of the listed past UT QB's has a D as sh*tty as this past season. IF (we all know what if's get you) the UT D was average statistically, this team would have won 9, maybe 10 games. Despite poor RB talent behind him, this O was one of the best in the SEC. It is extraordinarily difficult to go into a game knowing you were going to operate an O that needed to score at least 35 (mainly through the pass) to off set the absolutely horrid D. None of the above listed QB's would have achieved what Bray did if they were suddenly thrown onto this team this past season. Bray has special abilities...will he be successful in the NFL? We will see. Depends on the team that drafts him, the type of offense on that team, and the HC. He will be drafted in the 2nd round. He needs a few seasons to mature. To say that he is somehow worse than Matt Simms.....that is completely moronic. It proves your lack of knowledge or exposes your bias against Bray.
 
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gemlek said:
You have absolutely no clue.

Tyler Bray has more NFL talent than the rest of the list....combined. He does have maturity issues which may cause limitations but his abilities are as good as any pocket QB to come out in several years (not named Luck). How many of the listed past UT QB's has a D as sh*tty as this past season. IF (we all know what if's get you) the UT D was average statistically, this team would have won 9, maybe 10 games. Despite poor RB talent behind him, this O was one of the best in the SEC. It is extraordinarily difficult to go into a game knowing you were going to operate an O that needed to score at least 35 (mainly through the pass) to off set the absolutely horrid D. None of the above listed QB's would have achieved what Bray did if they were suddenly thrown onto this team this past season. Bray has special abilities...will he be successful in the NFL? We will see. Depends on the team that drafts him, the type of offense on that team, and the HC. He will be drafted in the 2nd round. He needs a few seasons to mature. To say that he is somehow worse than Matt Simms.....that is completely moronic. It proves your lack of knowledge or exposes your bias against Bray.
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There is one thing that I don't understand about Bray.
1) He supposedly had the best O line in the country, and he was seldom sacked.
2) He had supposedly the best receiving corps in the country. Three of them have entered the draft early.
3) He had an Offensive Co-ordinator and QB coach who worked with Drew Brees and Kyle Orton. He apparently had the green light to throw it anywhere to anybody.

Now for the million dollar question . Why was he only the ranked #30 in the NCAA QB ratings this year with about a 144 rating, while A.J. McCarron, Aaron Murray, and Taj Boyd had about a 170 rating? Shouldn't he be #1?
 
#84
#84
Casey Clausen
Tyler Bray
Erik Ainge
Jonathan Crompton
Brent Schaeffer
Rick Clausen
Matt Simms
Justin Worley
 
#85
#85
TNHopeful505 said:
But let me submit this to you....

Why would you say Tyler is better than Crompton?

Admittedly, Crompton had some bad games.

BUT Tyler Bray never won a big game, whereas Crompton won some big ones against Georgia and South Carolina, and almost led us to beat Alabama.

I mean, I know that Bray statistically was better, I'm just wondering what pushes Bray over Crompton.

(P.S. I'm not saying that I think Crompton is better/worse than Bray. I'm just throwing the wrench in there)
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I put Bray over Crompton based on their numbers and also the defense. ALOT of our loses would have been wins with any sort of a respectable defense. Our offense was setting records with Tyler. He has alot of issues, don't get me wrong. If we had a defense ranked in the 50's, this team has 6-8 more wins with Bray playing QB. UGA, USCe, and several other SEC wins.
 
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#87
thebjd said:
I remember Casey well and think Bray is a more talented and better quarterback. Time has allowed people to forget a lot of the same criticisms Bray gets were pointed at Casey while he was here.
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OMG ... are you kidding ? Casey Clausen's win in the swamp beats all three years that Tyler Bray had at Tennessee.

THE FORGOTTEN LEGACY OF CASEY CLAUSEN

Clausen was a road warrior who boasted an unprecedented 14-1 road record including key wins twice in Gainesville, twice in Tuscaloosa, South Bend and Miami.
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Webbvol32 said:
Me too. Hunter is not in my top 10.
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mikeymike said:
Casey
shueller
Kelly
Ainge
Bray
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Did you guys even read the question ? Let me help you ...
Rank the QB's after Martin

he did not ask about wide receivers or list the top quarter back of all times at Tennessee.
 
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#88
1972 Grad said:
There is one thing that I don't understand about Bray.
1) He supposedly had the best O line in the country, and he was seldom sacked.
2) He had supposedly the best receiving corps in the country. Three of them have entered the draft early.
3) He had an Offensive Co-ordinator and QB coach who worked with Drew Brees and Kyle Orton. He apparently had the green light to throw it anywhere to anybody.

Now for the million dollar question . Why was he only the ranked #30 in the NCAA QB ratings this year with about a 144 rating, while A.J. McCarron, Aaron Murray, and Taj Boyd had about a 170 rating? Shouldn't he be #1?
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A.J. McCarron is a fine quarterback but he is surrounded by such an excellent supporting cast on both sides of the line of scrimmage that he rarely has to shoulder the outcome of a game on his throwing arm. Alabama almost always is playing with a significant lead, so McCarron rarely has to make risky decisions, which contributes significantly to his extraordinary touchdown-to-interception ratio.

By contrast, Bray went into every game fully aware, particularly as the season progressed, that he and the offense had to outscore opponents in order to win. With little margin for error and a mentality, not to mention an arm, predisposed to trying to hit the home run on virtually every pass, Bray is far more prone to turning the ball over via interceptions, particularly against top-tier SEC teams, which negatively affects passer efficiency rating.
 
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#89
Im still wondering why dude said Erik Ainge set the program back 10 years? I thought he was very solid and a VFL
 
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#90
#90
utvols74 said:
Hunter in the company of...

Willie Gault?
Carl Pickens?
Alvin Harper?
Stanley Morgan?
Anthony Morgan?
Joey Kent?

Um.....nope.

Heck, I'd take Craig Faulkner over Hunter. Faulkner was WAY more dependable in the clutch situations and wasn't afraid to go over the middle.
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Stallworth, Price, Nash - hopefully some more good ones coming in this season
 
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#91
volatil said:
You mean the game 4-5 days after the coach had been fired???? The team was deflated. Arian Foster and Eric Berry were on that team as well.
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Yes the game where on a play action boot he had Denarius Moore wide open down field and threw to a FB in double coverage...plus all the handoff where he tried hand it off to their hip.....like I said he sucked as a junior but he was a really good QB as a senior...other than his junior year I don't really have anything negative to say about him
 
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#95
bigorange1963 said:
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Anyone else x100
Then
Tyler Bray
Sorry never like Tyler Bray. Undisciplined, cry baby, & quitter. He will not make it in the NFL. Unless he gets with a coach who has patience to deal with a immature kid.
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Anybody that says Simms is a better qb then Bray is a moron. While an argument could be started that he showed more effort and may have shown more heart (by standing there and taking those hits instead of just throwing the ball) we are actually talking about the better QB.
 
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#96
Catbone said:
Fair enough.. I was very disappointed in him this season, he wasn't the same. I guess after that happening you are a it more cautious on the field
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I was as well. Not so much in him being scared of contact but he did drop a few to many balls. It all came down to him playing timid. You absolutely can not play timid and play at a high level. So I guess you could in a way say that he was over rated but i guess that all depends on where you would rate him. I would not rate him on a list of all time great receivers but I do think he will have a succesfull career in the NFL
 
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#97
Volosaurus rex said:
A.J. McCarron is a fine quarterback but he is surrounded by such an excellent supporting cast on both sides of the line of scrimmage that he rarely has to shoulder the outcome of a game on his throwing arm. Alabama almost always is playing with a significant lead, so McCarron rarely has to make risky decisions, which contributes significantly to his extraordinary touchdown-to-interception ratio.

By contrast, Bray went into every game fully aware, particularly as the season progressed, that he and the offense had to outscore opponents in order to win. With little margin for error and a mentality, not to mention an arm, predisposed to trying to hit the home run on virtually every pass, Bray is far more prone to turning the ball over via interceptions, particularly against top-tier SEC teams, which negatively affects passer efficiency rating.
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I don't think that anyone on Vol Nation is wrong about Tyler Bray. He has given his supporters an incredible highlight reel to remember him by. He has also given his detractors plenty of ammo to the point that they believe he is a terrible quarterback and leader. It all depends which Tyler Bray one chooses to remember. There are two of them.
There is the Tyler Bray who threads long throws through tiny windows like a bullet, and lays the long ball out perfectly for a receiver speeding for the end zone. . He played against NC State and Troy this year.

Then there is the Tyler Bray who stunk up the joint, and gave up in the second half against Florida, finishing with 7 straight incompletions. That Tyler Bray also played against Kentucky last year and Vandy this year. I submit that there are 2 Tyler Brays, and everyone's opinion is at least partially correct. It just depends which one you choose to remember.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Rick Clausen
Jonathan Crompton
Matt Simms
Tyler Bray


How would you rate them?

Also, now that Hunter's career with UT is over, where would you rank him among the "greats?" Or would you even rank him up there?


Just interested in everyone's opinions, now that another QB's career in the book of UT football.
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Tyler Bray
Casey Clausen
Erik Ainge
Jonathan Crompton
Rick Clausen
Matt Simms
Tyler Bray

There are 2 Tyler Brays. I am convinced.
 
#99
#99
I don't understand the argument of crompton being better than bray because crompton beat USC and Georgia. First of all, those teams were not half as good then as they have been the past few years and also since when does it fall squarely on the shoulders of the qb to win a game? Using this logic tee martin is better than peyton because he beat florida an peyton never did. Look at the talent they had around them before you say crompton was better than bray. Personally I think bray is miles ahead of crompton and Ainge in terms of talent and I think his nfl career will be much longer than that of those two combined.
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