Ranking the SEC coaches...

#76
#76
Sumlin at 4? Let's slow down a bit and see if he can win without a guy like Johnny Football.

My sentiments exactly. With a Heisman Trophy winner in hand, I'm sure that he will clean up on the recruiting trail for the next few years, just as we did after Peyton established himself. If, however, you take only Sumlin's record and overall competition at Houston into consideration, they are not significantly more impressive than Butch's current credentials.
 
#77
#77
Honesly, it was alot more than one person. VN's penchant for mass insanity was in full effect. You really couldn't get away from the people who were talking up Dooley's intangibles, predicting greatness, and attacking anyone using logic.

you're picking out the dumbest or missing the sarcasm. It's incorrect to paint VN in that light based on your failures as a poster
 
#78
#78
you're picking out the dumbest or missing the sarcasm. It's incorrect to paint VN in that light based on your failures as a poster

What are you talking about? You need to go back and read the threads from the Dooley era. The majority of posters here were all about singing his praises and attacking anyone who used facts, logic, and common sense to voice reservations. It has nothing to do with my "failures as a poster" (what does that even mean? That by saying Dooley wasn't a top five SEC coach, I was somehow in the wrong? What?). Oh, volnation...
 
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#81
#81
Franklin won 9 games in a season at vandy.

A true miracle

Do your homework 99.... winning % of teams beaten 34%, no signature wins, 3 wins in 25 games vs teams with winning records (best of which was 7-5). He's better than a guy (Les Miles) who's won a national championship, goes toe to toe with Bama every year, wins 10-11 games every year, runs a national powerhouse program?
 
#82
#82
Do your homework 99.... winning % of teams beaten 34%, no signature wins, 3 wins in 25 games vs teams with winning records (best of which was 7-5). He's better than a guy (Les Miles) who's won a national championship, goes toe to toe with Bama every year, wins 10-11 games every year, runs a national powerhouse program?

i don't know how i would rank them because there are so many ways a coach can be judged.

however, i don't know why it's so hard for people to understand about the "vanderbilt factor" in this.

at vanderbilt, you are supposed to lose. you are supposed to lose in style. you are supposed to lose to teams that haven't won a game all year. everyone's 3rd stringers are supposed to see action in the second half against vandy. against vandy, you run up the score by accident.

what are his signature wins? damn near all of the sec wins. those are signature wins. a bowl win. they've only had two others. that would be a signature win.

back to back seasons with a bowl appearance. first time ever. i'd say that counts for something.

when you do things (positively) that have never been done or haven't been done in damn near 100 years, that means something.

vanderbilt winning 9 games (don't care against who) is one of the greater football miracles of my lifetime. i'd have to think of some others. northwestern going to the rose bowl would be another.

so, i don't get the "who did they beat" angle. it's vanderbilt. they're not supposed to beat anyone. they're supposed to run on the field, get their *** whipped, and go home.....thankful just to be in the sec and get their paycheck while they do their part and raise the academic profile of the league.

spurrier has always mentioned that his greatest coaching accomplishment was winning the acc at duke. not winning 4 sec titles in a row. not winning a national title. winning a pre-fsu, pre-miami, pre-va tech acc
 
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#83
#83
i don't know how i would rank them because there are so many ways a coach can be judged.

however, i don't know why it's so hard for people to understand about the "vanderbilt factor" in this.

at vanderbilt, you are supposed to lose. you are supposed to lose in style. you are supposed to lose to teams that haven't won a game all year. everyone's 3rd stringers are supposed to see action in the second half against vandy. against vandy, you run up the score by accident.

what are his signature wins? damn near all of the sec wins. those are signature wins. a bowl win. they've only had two others. that would be a signature win.

back to back seasons with a bowl appearance. first time ever. i'd say that counts for something.

when you do things (positively) that have never been done or haven't been done in damn near 100 years, that means something.

vanderbilt winning 9 games (don't care against who) is one of the greater football miracles of my lifetime. i'd have to think of some others. northwestern going to the rose bowl would be another.

so, i don't get the "who did they beat" angle. it's vanderbilt. they're not supposed to beat anyone. they're supposed to run on the field, get their *** whipped, and go home.....thankful just to be in the sec and get their paycheck while they do their part and raise the academic profile of the league.

spurrier has always mentioned that his greatest coaching accomplishment was winning the acc at duke. not winning 4 sec titles in a row. not winning a national title. winning a pre-fsu, pre-miami, pre-va tech acc

Honestly, I get a lot of what you say. Hard to not see your arguments. Yes, Vandy is Vandy...... arguably the worst collegiate football program in our proud nations history. But only in that context is their success last year impressive. That's my point. You say that's your point, so we agree there.

Well, I look back to Bobby Johnson's second to last year... He was 7-6 with a bowl win, 4-4 on the SEC. Was that a "miracle in your lifetime"? Is he better than Les Miles... remember, that's the genesis of this argument- SEC coaching rank.

Here's all I'm saying... there's no way in hell anybody is gonna tell me that Franklin is a better coach than other coaches in the SEC who have much better, longer track records of success... who have won national championships (Miles), multiple league championships (Jones, who also whipped Franklin head to head with Big East talent) and have taken their teams to multiple Rose Bowls ( Bielema). Especially when Franklins team racked up 9 wins vs teams who won a collective 34% of their games .... and got their asses handed to them when they played a winning SEC team (think Georgia and Florida who beat Vandy a combined 79-20). Sorry, we'll agree to disagree.
 
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#86
#86
And James Franklin being anywhere higher than 9th or 10th is ridiculous. I guess it goes to show how important a rare win for Vandy over Tennessee (last season) really is for them. On the flip side, when Dooley beat Vandy it did nothing for his standing (rightfully so). Franklin is nothing but Lane Kiffin without the "flash." His mouth is almost as bad ... and pointless.
Franklin gets respect from the rest of the sec. Most Vols just have their blinders on!
 
#87
#87
He's going to have him for at least 2 more years.


Maybe...if he has another stellar season I think he declares...he's using the internet to attend class now so school experience isn't what he's into...you know he can declare after this next season...right?...redshirt?
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#88
#88
Maybe...if he has another stellar season I think he declares...he's using the internet to attend class now so school experience isn't what he's into...you know he can declare after this next season...right?...redshirt?
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Good point
 

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