Read and React Request for those still Believing Russiagate

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05_never_again said:
I find it funny that he attacks sides-choosers, because he's a side-chooser himself. He wrote a book called "Insane Clown President" about the 2016 election, for crying out loud.

There's nothing wrong with being a sides-chooser, but just be open and honest about which side you're on. Maybe that's his point.
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he wrote it, but again he is keeping an open mind.

Trump can be scum of the earth, and a terrible candidate, and completely innocent of the Russia BS. that's his point, one of the quotes covers that the Russia thing became tied to Resistance.

he can call about bad about Trump in "Insane Clown President", and still call out the crap in the Russia investigation.

that's not taking a side imo. that's what media should be doing. Running down whatever is true, not what is convenient to their preconceived notions.
 
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LouderVol said:
finally finished. good second to last paragraph.
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Ironically, I think there has never been a better opportunity than right now for a journalist to heed the admonition and live up to the idealism expressed in his 2nd paragraph.
 
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05_never_again said:
I find it funny that he attacks sides-choosers, because he's a side-chooser himself. He wrote a book called "Insane Clown President" about the 2016 election, for crying out loud.

There's nothing wrong with being a sides-chooser, but just be open and honest about which side you're on. Maybe that's his point.
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I don't have a problem with side choosing journalists. It is when their side choosing is passed off as news or journalism is when I have a problem with it. A journalist writing an opinion piece (book or article) is fine as long as the lines separating opinion from news are clear.
 
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Taibbi is a huge lib and a douche, but his pieces are very readable. The one that stands out to me is his takedown of GS. It begins:
The first thing you need to know about Goldman Sachs is that it’s everywhere. The world’s most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.
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The Great American Bubble Machine – Rolling Stone
 
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I'm not buying all in the article or his grand take - it does however document many of the mistakes along the way and how the narrative was crafted.
 
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McDad said:
I don't have a problem with side choosing journalists. It is when their side choosing is passed off as news or journalism is when I have a problem with it. A journalist writing an opinion piece (book or article) is fine as long as the lines separating opinion from news are clear.
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Yes. The disingenuous-ness and disguising of the fact you are on a "side" is the problem.

I think that's ultimately what his point was, and hearing him speak in other areas he's made that point before, but he didn't articulate it all that well in that paragraph @LouderVol quoted.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Barr is doing what your last paragraph questions..
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Please Cite your soucre that Barrhas submitted a request to a Federal Judge to release GJ Testimony so the complete report, and attachments, Exhibits and any/lll Apendices can be delivered to Congress
 
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volinbham said:
1. Not everyone did lie about Russia. For example I haven't seen anywhere that Carter Page (the lynch pin for the FISA warrant) lied. Other than that I can't tell you other than when people feel it might look bad to be connected to something (even if it isn't) lying isn't uncommon. Might as well ask why did Hillary repeatedly lie about her server and continue to do so each time she was shown to be lying?

2. He hasn't "injected himself" into obstructing justice. He took actions that are open to interpretation (firing Comey, calling it a witch hunt, asking Comey if he could cut Flynn a break). There are as many legal people that would argue those are not obstruction as would argue other wise.

3. As already noted; Barr is preparing to do so. Just because it doesn't fit the Dem's timeline doesn't mean he isn't in process.
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How many have lied and been convited for lying? You don't address the question. Why all the lies . What are they hiding

What does Hilary have to do with my question. Whataboutism! Again
 
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PointGuard said:
How many have lied and been convited for lying? You don't address the question. Why all the lies? What are they hiding?

What does Hilary have to do with my question. Whataboutism! Again
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just because you are coming across as a d-bag.
 
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PointGuard said:
The reason you ask is? Never mind, Why don't you take a stab at answering those questions.
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simple reason. You asked questions of the author on our forum when the author has an avenue for you to ask him directly.

Perhaps you are insincere in your quest for answers and simply want to engage others here with rehashing conspiracy theories and connect-the-dot-isms.
 
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LouderVol said:
seriously never saw the explanation for you becoming a Bama fan with that RTR crap.

I will raise your whataboutism with "I will have more flexibility after the election."
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beat me to it. dangit.
 
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PointGuard said:
Please Cite your soucre that Barrhas submitted a request to a Federal Judge to release GJ Testimony so the complete report, and attachments, Exhibits and any/lll Apendices can be delivered to Congress
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He probably won't request permission to release the GJ testimony. How often have you ever heard of GJ testimony being released? Plus it isn't fair to the witnesses that testified in front of the GJ.

It almost sounds like you don't trust the Muell and his conclusions.
 
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PointGuard said:
How many have lied and been convited for lying? You don't address the question. Why all the lies . What are they hiding

What does Hilary have to do with my question. Whataboutism! Again
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To answer your question we would need to know the specific question(s) that were asked and the specific answer(s) given, know where we can find that information? Has any of that been released?
 
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tennvols77 said:
Precedent...... it is the way it is currently because in 1999 Congress let the Independent Counsel Act expire. Go ask the Democrats from 1999 why.......listening to the left complain about the law they put into place when its doesn't fit the agenda is the encapsulation of the party.
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Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
 
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PointGuard said:
Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
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No not only Barr lol
 
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PointGuard said:
Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
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From the article in OP and something you should sincerely consider:
"This is a damning page one admission by the Times. Despite the connect-the-dots graphic in its other story, and despite the astonishing, emotion-laden editorial the paper also ran suggesting “We don’t need to read the Mueller report” because we know Trump is guilty, Baker at least began the work of preparing Times readers for a hard question: “Have journalists connected too many dots that do not really add up?”
 
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PointGuard said:
Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
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Barr is not the only person that knows what's in the report.
 
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hog88 said:
He probably won't request permission to release the GJ testimony. How often have you ever heard of GJ testimony being released? It has been SOP in all prior Special Prosecutor actions. I suspect Fox News leaves this fact out of their reporting (aka manipulating public opinion) Plus it isn't fair to the witnesses that testified in front of the GJ.

It almost sounds like you don't trust the Muell and his conclusions.
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I have yet to learn Muellers conclusions. It doesn't surprise me that you feel you are smart enough to know what his conclusions are without reading them yourself
 
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PointGuard said:
I have yet to learn Muellers conclusions. It doesn't surprise me that you fwll you are smart enough to know what his conclusions are without reading them yourself
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Has releasing the GJ testimony been SOP in all other special council investigations? (Legitimate question)

You will get a chance to read it when it comes out but still you haven't answered the question. Do you trust the Muells findings? Because there is no way Barr manipulated or edited them.
 
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