Read and React Request for those still Believing Russiagate

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LouderVol said:
because every alphabet agency has to review it to make recommendations on what gets redacted for national security reasons. Congress handles securre intelligence all the time. The classified content only has to be cleansed for Public consumption

and your second question is real easy to answer. Trump is a megalomaniac. he CAN"T just stand by. he was being attacked, he had to respond.

the whole thing seems created to create a process crime, rather than finding a real crime. basically through enough crap at a wall and let Trump and his team perjurer themselves.
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The Republicans and Trump's minions are fighting like crazy to hide the report, while Trump simultaneously says he is in favor of releasing it but calling out Dems for seeking it.

It does make one wonder...
 
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lawgator1 said:
The Republicans and Trump's minions are fighting like crazy to hide the report, while Trump simultaneously says he is in favor of releasing it but calling out Dems for seeking it.

It does make one wonder...
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Nobody is fighting or even trying to hide the report. Why do you feel compelled to make **** up?
 
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PointGuard said:
Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
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The REASON it is being handled this way is because of one thing, Slick Willy. It is being withheld because the Congress in 1999, who didn't want the salacious acts of one Slick Willy to come out. Do you understand that the reason it is being handled this way is because of one thing and one thing only, the above. Period. This is not up for discussion or argument, it is this way because of the democrats and Congress from 1999.

It has nothing to do with the Right. Sorry. Blame your party for enacting this SOP that is taken place right now. No one else. It is not difficult.
 
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PointGuard said:
Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
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Inside the beltway, the word is that Barr has also been compromised by the Russians.

The man has some strange fetishes that he indulged in extramaritally while in Moldova back in 2016. Video exists.

They did their homework on the man and then forced their asset in 1600 to appoint him to the AG role.

Putin playing chess, PG.
 
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hog88 said:
Has releasing the GJ testimony been SOP in all other special council investigations? (Legitimate question) Yes, starting with Watergate. The report went straight to Congress, as IIRC, l immediately after a Federal Judge cleared the GJ testimony release Barr's summarizing the report bypasses the whole reason for Special Prosecutors. Avoid political intervention. Barr got the job because he wrote an unsolicited memo opining that a sitting President could never be foung guilty of Obstruction.

You will get a chance to read it when it comes out but still you haven't answered the question. Do you trust the Muells findings? Because there is no way Barr manipulated or edited them.
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Like everyone else I only know of Muellers reputation - not the individual. By all accounts he is partisan impartial in these matters and exceedingly competent - - so YES I will accept the findings of his report to the extent the report is complete. I just have a sense it is not complete. It seems lke it was his intent to defer the whole mess to Congress. I have no jutification to say that other than from everyting we have all heard about him it doesn't seem to be his style to leave it hanging.
 
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PointGuard said:
Like everyone else I only know of Muellers reputation - not the individual. By all accounts he is partisan impartial in these matters and exceedingly competent - - so YES I will accept the findings of his report to the extent the report is complete. I just have a sense it is not complete. It seems lke it was his intent to defer the whole mess to Congress. I have no jutification to say that other than from everyting we have all heard about him it doesn't seem to be his style to leave it hanging.
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He didn’t leave it hanging . He spent two year and 30 million $ looking and found no collusion between Russia and any American .
 
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I fully support anybody who wants the full report before settling the issue. Question though, does anyone know how long reports of this nature are? If it is several hundred or several thousand pages, are you guys really going to read the whole thing for yourselves? Or, will you let the media do the reading and then adopt their opinions?
 
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McDad said:
I fully support anybody who wants the full report before settling the issue. Question though, does anyone know how long reports of this nature are? If it is several hundred or several thousand pages, are you guys really going to read the whole thing for yourselves? Or, will you let the media do the reading and then adopt their opinions?
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You know what the answer to this question is. Hasn't it been said the report is 300-400 pages? Also, if anything is redacted, watch out.

Both sides interpret any fact, big and small, so that it fits their thesis. Someone on MSNBC said "The report is 400 pages. If there really was nothing there, then the report wouldn't be 400 pages." If the report was 20 pages, they'd claim that something purposely is being hidden; a 2-year investigation should produce more information than what could be fit onto 20 pages.

It doesn't matter what the facts are - both sides think they know they're right, and interpret everything through that lens. Arrive at conclusions first, then work backwards.
 
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McDad said:
I fully support anybody who wants the full report before settling the issue. Question though, does anyone know how long reports of this nature are? If it is several hundred or several thousand pages, are you guys really going to read the whole thing for yourselves? Or, will you let the media do the reading and then adopt their opinions?
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I think you know the answer to this question.

They will look for the “interpretation” of their favorite propaganda outlet and go with that.
 
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PointGuard said:
Like everyone else I only know of Muellers reputation - not the individual. By all accounts he is partisan impartial in these matters and exceedingly competent - - so YES I will accept the findings of his report to the extent the report is complete. I just have a sense it is not complete. It seems lke it was his intent to defer the whole mess to Congress. I have no jutification to say that other than from everyting we have all heard about him it doesn't seem to be his style to leave it hanging.
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What have you heard from him?
 
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Schiff has been leaking stuff this whole time, no way once in Congress's hands it stays there.
 
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PointGuard said:
Like everyone else I only know of Muellers reputation - not the individual. By all accounts he is partisan impartial in these matters and exceedingly competent - - so YES I will accept the findings of his report to the extent the report is complete. I just have a sense it is not complete. It seems lke it was his intent to defer the whole mess to Congress. I have no jutification to say that other than from everyting we have all heard about him it doesn't seem to be his style to leave it hanging.
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Don't look at the facts when you have jedi powers.
 
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McDad said:
I fully support anybody who wants the full report before settling the issue. Question though, does anyone know how long reports of this nature are? If it is several hundred or several thousand pages, are you guys really going to read the whole thing for yourselves? Or, will you let the media do the reading and then adopt their opinions?
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I will get my tl;dr talking points from Hannity.
 
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0nelilreb said:
He didn’t leave it hanging . He spent two year and 30 million $ looking and found no collusion between Russia and any American .
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When did you read the report ? Otherwise you mean no indictable collusion and he was not exonerated on Obstruction
 
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hog88 said:
Nobody is fighting or even trying to hide the report. Why do you feel compelled to make **** up?
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hog88 said:
Here's another one for @PointGuard and @lawgator1

Nadler in 1998: Of course you can’t release grand-jury testimony in prosecutor’s report
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McConnell blocked a resolution calling for release of the full report.

GOPers on the House committee are making the same argument about grand jury testimony, which is fine. But the Dems are saying no problem, let's us and Barr make a joint motion to a district court judge to let it be released -- let a judge decide whether it needs to be kept secret.

Barr and the GOP are refusing to cooperate in that simple step, which would cure the problem.

The bottom line is this: Right now, the ONLY basis for reaching ANY conclusion about what is in the Mueller report is what Barr says is in it. His summary. But he has backed off of that and says it is not a summary. And he has changed in mid-stream the criteria he originally announced for what to redact. That is a VERY odd move by him and seems to be appointing himself the fianl and complete arbiter of what we see.

Unacceptable.

Barr's non-summary summary may well turn out to be accurate and we can all move on from this, as Trump and his team are begging us to do. But as long as anything less than the full report is in any way meaningfully produced to the public and Congress, the Dems are not going to give up trying to see it. And they absolutely should not give up on seeing it and learning of its full contents.
 
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PointGuard said:
When did you read the report ? Otherwise you mean no indictable collusion and he was not exonerated on Obstruction
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PointGuard said:
When did you read the report ? Otherwise you mean no indictable collusion and he was not exonerated on Obstruction
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Don't embellish, the Muell found that there was no collusion.

"The Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign," Barr wrote in his letter.
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Technically you're correct that Trump wasn't "exonerated" on the obstruction front but the USAG saying this:

"After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense," Barr wrote in the letter.

Barr said part of the reason Trump shouldn't be prosecuted is because there was no evidence of a conspiracy. Since there was no underlying crime that Trump was trying to conceal, proving obstruction would be difficult.
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Essentially means the same thing.
 
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PointGuard said:
When did you read the report ? Otherwise you mean no indictable collusion and he was not exonerated on Obstruction
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I haven’t I heard the Man that’s over the DOJ say that after he and RR decided what the public should hear at that moment . Now after hearing what Barr said if it was not true don’t you think Mueller or one of the 15 liberal lawyers would have leaked it to the press by now ?
 
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