Read and React Request for those still Believing Russiagate

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lawgator1 said:
McConnell blocked a resolution calling for release of the full report.

GOPers on the House committee are making the same argument about grand jury testimony, which is fine. But the Dems are saying no problem, let's us and Barr make a joint motion to a district court judge to let it be released -- let a judge decide whether it needs to be kept secret.

Barr and the GOP are refusing to cooperate in that simple step, which would cure the problem.

The bottom line is this: Right now, the ONLY basis for reaching ANY conclusion about what is in the Mueller report is what Barr says is in it. His summary. But he has backed off of that and says it is not a summary. And he has changed in mid-stream the criteria he originally announced for what to redact. That is a VERY odd move by him and seems to be appointing himself the fianl and complete arbiter of what we see.

Unacceptable.

Barr's non-summary summary may well turn out to be accurate and we can all move on from this, as Trump and his team are begging us to do. But as long as anything less than the full report is in any way meaningfully produced to the public and Congress, the Dems are not going to give up trying to see it. And they absolutely should not give up on seeing it and learning of its full contents.
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Why don't you and your fellow Dems stop with the childish theatrics and blatant lies until Barr releases the redacted report. After we see how much is redacted THEN pitch your hissy fits. As far as the GJ testimony goes, sure I'd love to see it but you supposedly being a lawyer know the dangers of releasing GJ testimony.
 
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hog88 said:
Why don't you and your fellow Dems stop with the childish theatrics and blatant lies until Barr releases the redacted report. After we see how much is redacted THEN pitch your hissy fits. As far as the GJ testimony goes, sure I'd love to see it but you supposedly being a lawyer know the dangers of releasing GJ testimony.
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Fine, release the FULL report and let's see where that leaves us.

As to the GJ testimony, let the federal judge dealing with it decide if that needs to be withheld. Why won't the GOP agree to that simple request?
 
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Who (if known) besides Barr and Mueller has seen the full report?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fine, release the FULL report and let's see where that leaves us.

As to the GJ testimony, let the federal judge dealing with it decide if that needs to be withheld. Why won't the GOP agree to that simple request?
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Lol Mueller sure has messed y’alls abilty to wait on the outcome up hasn’t he ? A month ago it was they should take all the time they need to investigate and finish up , now it’s give it to us now or it’s a cover up !!! So funny to watch .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Lol Mueller sure has messed y’alls abilty to wait on the outcome up hasn’t he ? A month ago it was they should take all the time they need to investigate and finish up , now it’s give it to us now or it’s a cover up !!! So funny to watch .
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Huh? That comment makes no sense.

Saying that Mueller should have time to complete his report has noting do with the desire to see it once it was finished. The two have nothing to do with one another.
 
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PointGuard said:
Please Cite your soucre that Barrhas submitted a request to a Federal Judge to release GJ Testimony so the complete report, and attachments, Exhibits and any/lll Apendices can be delivered to Congress
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Oh..he hasnt. He is going to release the report via the lawful and legal way as it is always done.

You lost, time to pick another fake conspiracy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fine, release the FULL report and let's see where that leaves us.

As to the GJ testimony, let the federal judge dealing with it decide if that needs to be withheld. Why won't the GOP agree to that simple request?
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You damn good and well the "FULL" report isn't going to be released to the public. Yes I wish it could be but you know it's not.

It's not up to congress or a Federal Judge at this point to decide on the GJ testimony. Why do you want to see that anyway? Suddenly you don't trust the Muell?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Lol Mueller sure has messed y’alls abilty to wait on the outcome up hasn’t he ? A month ago it was they should take all the time they need to investigate and finish up , now it’s give it to us now or it’s a cover up !!! So funny to watch .
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Remember when LG and the other boot lickers were calling him patriotic, an American hero and he must be protected from Trump? Now they suddenly don't trust him? What changed?
 
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PointGuard said:
I have yet to learn Muellers conclusions. It doesn't surprise me that you feel you are smart enough to know what his conclusions are without reading them yourself
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Not surpised you arent smart enough to understand the summation of the report and I will also not be suprised when you dont understand the released report and create your own conclusions, aka whatever cnn tells you, and foamy mouth rage about Russia for another 5 years..
 
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hog88 said:
Remember when LG and the other boot lickers were calling him patriotic, an American hero and he must be protected from Trump? Now they suddenly don't trust him? What changed?
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They truth didnt fit their narrative. We are witnessing the most drawn out case of ass hurt in the history of the USA.
 
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PointGuard said:
Sorta like what you guys are doing right now
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You didn’t answer my question , if we are making things up or covering things up don’t you think it would have been leaked to the press by now ? I mean come on Andrew Weissman was Mulls #2 do you think he wouldn’t leak it out ? Lol
 
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hog88 said:
Hot Rod for sure and I'd guess there are several other DOJ lawyers and Muells staff members. Probably at least 20 people.
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Would you expect any of those 20 to speak up if Barr's summary was inaccurate or is that not SOP in DC in a case like this?
 
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PointGuard said:
How many have lied and been convited for lying? You don't address the question. Why all the lies . What are they hiding

What does Hilary have to do with my question. Whataboutism! Again
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You asked why they lied - who knows; just pointing out that people lie when confronted with something they think might shed negative light on them. That's a helluva long way from a crime.
 
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hog88 said:
You damn good and well the "FULL" report isn't going to be released to the public. Yes I wish it could be but you know it's not.

It's not up to congress or a Federal Judge at this point to decide on the GJ testimony. Why do you want to see that anyway? Suddenly you don't trust the Muell?
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First, when its Trumpsters who are coming up with the arguments as to why we can't see the full report, and protesting efforts by the Dems to see the full report, we tend not to believe comments like "Yes I wish it could be."

We do not think you want the full report released. You seem to be coming up with all sorts of excuses to keep us from seeing it.

Why?

hog88 said:
Remember when LG and the other boot lickers were calling him patriotic, an American hero and he must be protected from Trump? Now they suddenly don't trust him? What changed?
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When did I say I don't trust Mueller?

I don't trust Barr. That's for damn sure. But that is no reflection on Mueller.
 
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PointGuard said:
Listening to the Right defend when a Report is being withheld is the encapsulation of idiocy. Who knows what this report says? Barr!! Only Barr! He, unilaterally, decided Trump did not obstruct. He unilaterally decided there was no collusion (that reached an indictable thereshold) when Mueller's reports apparently says no more indictments are forthcoming.

There is no acknowledgement that open indictments have yet to play out. Roger Stone. The foreign government owned corporation presently running up a $50,000/day fine for not complying with Mueller. How many of the Right think that foreign government is Russia?
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Bolded are both false. Talk about "encapsulation of idiocy" (whatever that means).

You claim to want the truth yet you continually misrepresent what we already know.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, when its Trumpsters who are coming up with the arguments as to why we can't see the full report, and protesting efforts by the Dems to see the full report, we tend not to believe comments like "Yes I wish it could be."

We do not think you want the full report released. You seem to be coming up with all sorts of excuses to keep us from seeing it.

Why?




When did I say I don't trust Mueller?

I don't trust Barr. That's for damn sure. But that is no reflection on Mueller.
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It’s not “ we “ it was the Dems that decided and mandated what can and can’t be released . Funny how it wasn’t a problem until now huh ?
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, when its Trumpsters who are coming up with the arguments as to why we can't see the full report, and protesting efforts by the Dems to see the full report, we tend not to believe comments like "Yes I wish it could be."

We do not think you want the full report released. You seem to be coming up with all sorts of excuses to keep us from seeing it.

Why?




When did I say I don't trust Mueller?

I don't trust Barr. That's for damn sure. But that is no reflection on Mueller.
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You couldn't be more wrong. I want to see the entire report. I want to see just how biased the Muell was, what dirty and underhanded tricks he pulled trying to get something, anything on Trump. I want to see Comey's testimony. Hell yeah I want to see it all but I know that won't happen.

If you don't trust Barr then by extension you don't trust the Muell. Do you think the great patriot Robert Mueller and his staff minions would sit idly by while Barr misrepresented, edited or otherwise played shenanigans with a report that he spent 2 years of his life compiling? You think the great patriot would just shrug his shoulders and walk away if Barr was protecting a traitor? If you do then you do not trust the Muell!
 
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0nelilreb said:
It’s not “ we “ it was the Dems that decided and mandated what can and can’t be released . Funny how it wasn’t a problem until now huh ?
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That's just a lie by you (again). The Dems say they know that GJ is withheld. That's why they want to go to the judge on it and ask for it to be released.

Barr and the GOP are refusing to join in that.

So much for wanting to release and see the full report, right?


hog88 said:
If you don't trust Barr then by extension you don't trust the Muell. Do you think the great patriot Robert Mueller and his staff minions would sit idly by while Barr misrepresented, edited or otherwise played shenanigans with a report that he spent 2 years of his life compiling? You think the great patriot would just shrug his shoulders and walk away if Barr was protecting a traitor? If you do then you do not trust the Muell!
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That once again makes no sense. Not trusting Barr simply does not mean not trusting Mueller.

As to whether Mueller agrees with the way Barr has portrayed the report, or with Barr's proposed redactions I cannot say. But even if he disagrees I am not surprised that he would not complain about it, at least while the process is unfolding. If he has shown anything, it is a remarkable ability to stay quiet on things.

Your assumption that Mueller would be publicly disagreeing with Barr, especially at this early stage, is completely unfounded.
 
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hog88 said:
Don't embellish, the Muell found that there was no collusion.

Not embellishing

Not embellishing

Not embellishing

I’ll see your echo and raise you one ;)




Technically you're correct that Trump wasn't "exonerated" on the obstruction front but the USAG saying this:



Essentially means the same thing.
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lawgator1 said:
McConnell blocked a resolution calling for release of the full report.

GOPers on the House committee are making the same argument about grand jury testimony, which is fine. But the Dems are saying no problem, let's us and Barr make a joint motion to a district court judge to let it be released -- let a judge decide whether it needs to be kept secret.

Barr and the GOP are refusing to cooperate in that simple step, which would cure the problem.

The bottom line is this: Right now, the ONLY basis for reaching ANY conclusion about what is in the Mueller report is what Barr says is in it. His summary. But he has backed off of that and says it is not a summary. And he has changed in mid-stream the criteria he originally announced for what to redact. That is a VERY odd move by him and seems to be appointing himself the fianl and complete arbiter of what we see.

Unacceptable.

Barr's non-summary summary may well turn out to be accurate and we can all move on from this, as Trump and his team are begging us to do. But as long as anything less than the full report is in any way meaningfully produced to the public and Congress, the Dems are not going to give up trying to see it. And they absolutely should not give up on seeing it and learning of its full contents.
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did you read the links? they specify that it is up to the AG to make the decision now on release, because of the law in 99.

this isn't him circumventing the law. or refusing to do something he maybe should do.

Again, you are ready to dam our legal system just to get the result you want. Stop trying to tear down America because you don't like Trump.
 
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