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#51
#51
truefan said:
It is highly likely I have spent more time in one year outside of the US than you have in your lifetime.


I understand the plans in Canada and the UK very well. Aren't we supposed to better than those countries? Shouldn't we be able to learn from others mistakes and improve the system in our favor? With our medical expertise and management? You can either react to others' shortcomings or be proactive and make an effort to do something better. I like the latter approach
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Another instance of running your mouth before engaging your brain. Lived outside the U.S. for several years and still can't donate blood because of mad cow fears from the U.K.

Admit it. Your thought process is flawed.

You are the typical ugly American. You seem to think if it's American it's automatically the best in the world.
 
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#52
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KentheOrange said:
Another instance of running your mouth before engaging your brain. Lived outside the U.S. for several years and still can't donate blood because of mad cow fears from the U.K.

Admit it. Your thought process is flawed.

You are the typical ugly American. You seem to think if it's American it's automatically the best in the world.
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Didn't you do the same thing earlier by suggesting I hadn't been outiside the US? I lived outside the US as well.

I am not admitting anything. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it, but on this issue we still haven't seen any results. I will wait if you don't mind.

There is NO WAY you are smart enough to know what I think. I never said it is automatically better if it is in the US, I just said aren't we supposed to better than either of those countries. I stated a fact. We have exponentially more resource for medical care than either country. FACT

Now, aren't you the ugly American? Making assumptions about someone with no clue at all. You're the one who needs to read and research a bit more before popping off
 
#53
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truefan said:
Didn't you do the same thing earlier by suggesting I hadn't been outiside the US? I lived outside the US as well.

I am not admitting anything. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it, but on this issue we still haven't seen any results. I will wait if you don't mind.

There is NO WAY you are smart enough to know what I think. I never said it is automatically better if it is in the US, I just said aren't we supposed to better than either of those countries. I stated a fact. We have exponentially more resource for medical care than either country. FACT

Now, aren't you the ugly American? Making assumptions about someone with no clue at all. You're the one who needs to read and research a bit more before popping off
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Actually, you have given us almost 1,500 clues as to what and how you think.

All you have to do is look at MEDICARE and MEDICAID to see that we will not do a better job at socialized medicine.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Actually, you have given us almost 1,500 clues as to what and how you think.

All you have to do is look at MEDICARE and MEDICAID to see that we will not do a better job at socialized medicine.
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nor will we provide care that isn't available today, nor will we help to arrest the growth of our welfare generations.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Actually, you have given us almost 1,500 clues as to what and how you think.
All you have to do is look at MEDICARE and MEDICAID to see that we will not do a better job at socialized medicine.
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Whatever. You don't me or how I think. To say you do is beyond stupid.

Medicare and medicaid are two totally different types of healthcare.

All YOU have to do is look at how the state of Tennessee has upgraded Tenncare and improved it to a viable entity rather than the money pit it had become under the previous administrations.It is one of the reasons why Phil Bredesen should be one of Obama's first line advisors. Which, BTW, is probably going to happen.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
it isn't, but it's a perfect example of the inability of government to administer healthcare.
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Again, I refer you to the recent evolvement of Tenncare. Bredesen is showing how it can be done with efficent and proper management.

I am sorry, but I'm just not one of those "it will never work" kind of guys. Everything can be improved.
 
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truefan said:
Again, I refer you to the recent evolvement of Tenncare. Bredesen is showing how it can be done with efficent and proper management.

I am sorry, but I'm just not one of those "it will never work" kind of guys. Everything can be improved.
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improvement is nice. Something for nothing is nothing but a do gooder pipe dream. Has never changed, isn't changing any time soon. Using the least efficient means of delivery of service is absolutely stupid.
 
#61
#61
truefan said:
Again, I refer you to the recent evolvement of Tenncare. Bredesen is showing how it can be done with efficent and proper management.

I am sorry, but I'm just not one of those "it will never work" kind of guys. Everything can be improved.
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I have no idea about Tenncare other than it was broke several years ago. Has it been fixed or improved? Big difference between the two.
 
#62
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truefan said:
I understand the plans in Canada and the UK very well. Aren't we supposed to better than those countries? Shouldn't we be able to learn from others mistakes and improve the system in our favor? With our medical expertise and management? You can either react to others' shortcomings or be proactive and make an effort to do something better. I like the latter approach
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The system? How about this system...take care of yourself. You take the latter approach? How so?
 
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truefan said:
I understand the plans in Canada and the UK very well. Aren't we supposed to better than those countries? Shouldn't we be able to learn from others mistakes and improve the system in our favor? With our medical expertise and management? You can either react to others' shortcomings or be proactive and make an effort to do something better. I like the latter approach
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you would think that would be the case, but Tom Daschle, who's plan is what's being implemented by Obama, is emulating the British plan in almost every way, right down to rationing.

Bloomberg.com: Opinion

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in DaschleÂ’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.
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truefan said:
Who is your father? Tennessee congressman?
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He's still a taxpayer in retirement and TennCare user. That's far more than what some idiotic congressman might actually know or what some program administrator might try to be.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Big clue as to how you think, or don't, as the case may be.

You can improve something greatly and still be nowhere near fixing it.
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Perfect clue as to how you think

Nothing is EVER fixed. Everything can be improved. Every system should be in a state of continuous improvement
 
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#72
truefan said:
Perfect clue as to how you think

Nothing is EVER fixed. Everything can be improved. Every system should be in a state of continuous improvement
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But if your constantly having to fix something, most likely it is a piece of crap and you would be better off investing your efforts elsewhere.
 
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KB5252 said:
But if your constantly having to fix something, most likely it is a piece of crap and you would be better off investing your efforts elsewhere.
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the "everything could always be better defense" has been trotted out by liberals for years in defense of disastrous programs. They actually feel better when they say it's better than it was, regardless of the fact that it remains a pile of trash.
 
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I fear that there probably is a program already in existence that snuffs people within certain age and health parameters that show up at the local hospital.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the "everything could always be better defense" has been trotted out by liberals for years in defense of disastrous programs. They actually feel better when they say it's better than it was, regardless of the fact that it remains a pile of trash.
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I knew a guy with a car like that. I have no doubt whatsoever he put 3 times that thing's worth into constantly having to fix it. He ended up selling it for what it was still worth, after all the money he put in, which is to say very little.

I would really like to look hard at tort reform as a means of bringing down health costs across the board. Never happen though with how much political funding the lawyers contribute.
 
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