read this about your future healthcare

#76
#76
if you want healthcare go down, don't regulate it. allow competition to kick in and you'll see cheaper costs, with more options.
 
#79
#79
UT IE 95 said:
Unregulated healthcare. Brilliantly stupid.
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ut ie. you should take an economics class. you really have not clue.

if you want an example, just look at lasik surgery. i know you will not figure it but i'll give you a second to try.
 
#81
#81
UT IE 95 said:
Unregulated healthcare. Brilliantly stupid.
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come back when you're 60 and need a hip replacement and the Health Care Administration decides that you don't get one because a 20 year old illegal immigrant also needs one.
 
#82
#82
MG1968 said:
come back when you're 60 and need a hip replacement and the Health Care Administration decides that you don't get one because a 20 year old illegal immigrant also needs one.
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Don't be so dramatic. I have as many questions about where our country will be when I'm 60 as anyone, but to think we'll be living in a time as you describe is just a bit extreme.

Healthcare is broken. Has been since lawyers got involved and doctors quit providing patient focused care.

We indirectly pay for uninsured care today. Why not start to regulate the records and what treatment the uninsured are getting? As far as I'm concerned it's good thing for self insured and group insured members.
 
#83
#83
UT IE 95 said:
Don't be so dramatic. I have as many questions about where our country will be when I'm 60 as anyone, but to think we'll be living in a time as you describe is just a bit extreme.

Healthcare is broken. Has been since lawyers got involved and doctors quit providing patient focused care.

We indirectly pay for uninsured care today. Why not start to regulate the records and what treatment the uninsured are getting? As far as I'm concerned it's good thing for self insured and group insured members.
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read Tom Daschle's book, that's the model the Obama administration is following.

better yet, read this article:

Bloomberg.com: Opinion

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.
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the Federal Government has no business having access to our medical records. That's a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment.

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.
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I'm not being dramatic, this crap is in the "stimulus" bill that was just passed.
 
#84
#84
My medical treatment is already being tracked by the feds through Medicare. Granted, I can avoid that by not laying down the magic card that I paid for over the past 50 years.
 
#86
#86
truefan said:
That is fine for a lot of us, unfortunately, many people can't afford it. Why not make it affordable for everyone.
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Almost all people can afford it. Jumping jacks and other exercise are free.

Where does this concept of forcing people over here to take care of people over there, end?

What is this "make" you speak of? As soon as you convince the people that spend a good portion of their life in medical school, the engineers and researchers that create and build all the machinery in the hospital, the nurses, construction workers that built the place, janitors, administrators and everyone else involved in the process to work for peanuts you can "make" it affordable. You'll also make it something no one wants.
 
#87
#87
Let me pose a question to the group. When have you ever heard of something that was equal for everyone being of a high quality? If healthcare or income or anything else is made to be equal for everyone, it will be low quality by definition. You can't give everybody something of high quality and expect to be able to keep it up.There is a finite amount of money and if everybody has the same amount, it won't be as much as you think. The people who have nothing will get a boost, but the rest of us will either stay the same or have much less. And when the demand exceeds the supply, guess what happens then? Everybody gets nothing. And whoever is in charge of distribution of the commodity in question will have it all. This means the government will have all the money, all the power, all the benefits. And the rest of us get zip. Ever hear of the U.S.S.R.?
 
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