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#26
#26
DC Vol said:
I'm taking a different tack though.

I'm saying it should have been up to Bajakian to realize that Worley has gone from "Good but with 1-2 bad decisions" in the first half to "bad decisions and bad throws".

Bajakian shouldn't have put the game in Worley's head/hand late in the 3rd Quarter/4th Quarter. We needed to have more than a combined 8:15 Time of Possession in the entire 2nd Half minus our opening drive.

If you include our opening drive our 2nd half TOP is roughly 11:00 of a 30:00 period. For a very thin depth defense... that's a recipe for disaster.

Nobody sees a problem with the playcalling? Nobody sees a problem with the fact that we had to go to the wire against SOAL?

You don't have to be an aeronautical engineer to look at a rock with balsawood wings and say "that thing won't fly".
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What would make it fly.
Great god almighty, tell us!
 
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#30
soda23 said:
I was a Fulmer fan , until I wasn't
I was a kiffin fan, until I wasn't
I was a Dooley fan , until I wasn't
I will be a Jones fan , until I'm not
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I stopped at Dooley. I'm no longer a "fan" of the coach until the coach and staff prove they are worthy.
 
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#32
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Doyle Hargraves said:
So, you concede that blame lies more upon the previous staff than the current?
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Of course it lies more on the previous staff. I've never said otherwise. But the current one has to fix it. And they are being paid very well to coach the players, to make the adjustments, to find the solutions, and to improve the product.
 
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#33
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Doyle Hargraves said:
So, you concede that blame lies more upon the previous staff than the current?
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Do you implement a system that doesn't fit your skill set? We saw how that went over last year on D.

edit: Dooley is probably still coach if he brings in a competant DC that doesn't try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Bjak is doing the same thing this year on offense.
 
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oregonvol said:
Of course it lies more on the previous staff. I've never said otherwise. But the current one has to fix it. And they are being paid very well to coach the players, to make the adjustments, to find the solutions, and to improve the product.
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Yes, it is on the current staff to fix the situation. That requires time. Is this staff the one to do it? Hell, I don't know. What I DO know is that it ain't gonna happen in five games.
 
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#36
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DC Vol said:
. The entire Offense, under OC Bajakian's playcalls, about #()*&@ the bed and cost UT what should have been an easy win against a Sun Belt team.
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The offense was "on" in the first half though. It was only after Worley's picks that USA started keying on the run and shut us down. And yet, in spite of that, we also went right through them on the first drive of the second half.

But forget that....last year we probably lose this game. Remember Missouri? A very similar game, and a pass that was much more difficult to make (4th and 23rd) and we gave it up anyway. To me, that's the difference in this team so far.

Butch is a proven WINNER, and WON. Dooley was an effing LOSER, and LOST.

Was this game an improvement over Troy last year? You had better believe so! And looking forward, I can actually have confidence that we can beat the Missouris and Vandys...had no such in Dooley by November of last year, and I gave him more chances than most.

Believe me, this is a different team, one that finally knows how to WIN WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE. Something Dooley almost NEVER did. :cool:
 
#37
#37
volgr said:
I stopped at Dooley. I'm no longer a "fan" of the coach until the coach and staff prove they are worthy.
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I'm the opposite. We've got the coach for at least 3 years. I'm behind him 100% until he proves that he's not the right guy for the job.
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volgr said:
Do you implement a system that doesn't fit your skill set? We saw how that went over last year on D.

edit: Dooley is probably still coach if he brings in a competant DC that doesn't try and fit a square peg into a round hole. Bjak is doing the same thing this year on offense.
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We don't have all the information that Bajakian does. Play calling has been debatable, so has QB vs WR play. Bottom line they either improve one of those areas or we struggle to win 5 games.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Yes, it is on the current staff to fix the situation. That requires time. Is this staff the one to do it? Hell, I don't know. What I DO know is that it ain't gonna happen in five games.
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But plenty of successful coaches have had to take over for staffs that have done poorly and been fired. And almost all of them show real tangible signs of improvement on the field in their first year.
 
#42
#42
DC Vol said:
I'm taking a different tack though.

I'm saying it should have been up to Bajakian to realize that Worley has gone from "Good but with 1-2 bad decisions" in the first half to "bad decisions and bad throws".

Bajakian shouldn't have put the game in Worley's head/hand late in the 3rd Quarter/4th Quarter. We needed to have more than a combined 8:15 Time of Possession in the entire 2nd Half minus our opening drive.

Nobody sees a problem with the playcalling? Nobody sees a problem with the fact that we had to go to the wire against SOAL?

You don't have to be an aeronautical engineer to look at a rock with balsawood wings and say "that thing won't fly".
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1. I agree that putting Worley in a bad situation, even after the first pick let alone the second, was a contributing factor here. Hopefully the coaches won't repeat the mistake. I think the same about starting Peterson and leaving him in, BTW. But at least you can't accuse them of not having the balls to try....I just wish they would recognize a bit earlier when it isn't working and back off.

2. I don't like going to the wire with USA, but as I post eslewhere, we DID WIN, and that's what matters. Last year's team probably would have folded like a cheap card table.

3. As for this being a rock with balsa wings...I say it's too early to even know what we are looking at yet. Honestly I don't have a problem with specific criticisms of the coaches....what I completely reject is the conclusions that "we are already screwed" with Butch or that "this staff will never get it done" based on FIVE GAMES, played with undertalented players that had to get mind-effed by Dooley for 3 years. Give it time...we will be much, much better in November than last year, IMO, and this will be a better indicator of the future than playing Oregon and UF on the road early in the season. The cool thing is, we will get to see one way or another...I just wish some of our fans could enjoy the ride a bit more....for their owns sakes. Honestly I am worried about the mental health of some of them. :crazy::eek:lol:
 
#43
#43
Doyle Hargraves said:
Skill set?
Should we dumb it down?
If you can't see that Dooley's recruiting is being exposed, then god help you.
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The talent is understood. However, you aren't helping manage the talent gap when you aren't putting your players in the best possible chance to succeed. This offensive scheme does not play to our strengths. Just as people have to admit the talent gap, you also have to admit that this offensive scheme does not properly fit our strengths.

For those arguing that Jones is hellbent on implementing his system for the long term good, is that really a good thing? Who has won a SEC championship running this type of offensive system that didn't have a heisman trophy winner at QB?

So not only are you stubbornly running an offensive system that more than likely will not work in this league, but you are doing it to the detriment of your current strengths (what little they may be).
 
#44
#44
oregonvol said:
But plenty of successful coaches have had to take over for staffs that have done poorly and been fired. And almost all of them show real tangible signs of improvement on the field in their first year.
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Hell, Kiffin had this team playing head and shoulders better than when Fulmer left. Also Kiffin implemented a style of offense that maximized our strengths. We beat UGa, SC and should have won at Bama even though our talent was not up to par with those teams.
 
#45
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volgr said:
The talent is understood. However, you aren't helping manage the talent gap when you aren't putting your players in the best possible chance to succeed. This offensive scheme does not play to our strengths. Just as people have to admit the talent gap, you also have to admit that this offensive scheme does not properly fit our strengths.

For those arguing that Jones is hellbent on implementing his system for the long term good, is that really a good thing? Who has won a SEC championship running this type of offensive system that didn't have a heisman trophy winner at QB?

So not only are you stubbornly running an offensive system that more than likely will not work in this league, but you are doing it to the detriment of your current strengths (what little they may be).
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Fair enough.
What should we do then?
 
#46
#46
BanditVol said:
The offense was "on" in the first half though. It was only after Worley's picks that USA started keying on the run and shut us down. And yet, in spite of that, we also went right through them on the first drive of the second half.

But forget that....last year we probably lose this game. Remember Missouri? A very similar game, and a pass that was much more difficult to make (4th and 23rd) and we gave it up anyway. To me, that's the difference in this team so far.

Butch is a proven WINNER, and WON. Dooley was an effing LOSER, and LOST.

Was this game an improvement over Troy last year? You had better believe so! And looking forward, I can actually have confidence that we can beat the Missouris and Vandys...had no such in Dooley by November of last year, and I gave him more chances than most.

Believe me, this is a different team, one that finally knows how to WIN WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE. Something Dooley almost NEVER did. :cool:
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Why do you look at the South Alabama game as comparable with last year's Missouri game, instead of last year's Troy game? I see much more parallels with the latter, especially in terms of level of competition. I think alot of people on here said similar things about the team not quitting and Dooley pulling out a win after that game too.
 
#47
#47
BanditVol said:
The offense was "on" in the first half though. It was only after Worley's picks that USA started keying on the run and shut us down. And yet, in spite of that, we also went right through them on the first drive of the second half.

But forget that....last year we probably lose this game. Remember Missouri? A very similar game, and a pass that was much more difficult to make (4th and 23rd) and we gave it up anyway. To me, that's the difference in this team so far.

Butch is a proven WINNER, and WON. Dooley was an effing LOSER, and LOST.

Was this game an improvement over Troy last year? You had better believe so! And looking forward, I can actually have confidence that we can beat the Missouris and Vandys...had no such in Dooley by November of last year, and I gave him more chances than most.

Believe me, this is a different team, one that finally knows how to WIN WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE. Something Dooley almost NEVER did. :cool:
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Auburn and Vandy are better than USA. The USA game proves **** for this season. Our defense is improved but partially because Randolph is back and Sutton is working out. Offensively it's hard to prioritize the weakness of QB/WR/Play Calling but all 3 have been lacking. Anyone saying all 3 aren't questionable at times is deluding themselves. Maybe the WR and QB play is all at the feet of Dooley but we also lost 3 studs (4 counting DR) which was partially due to offensive success.

I'm not a defender of Dooley but some of this is like blaming past administrations for current issues. Whoever is to blame a new leader should have answers. We've not had any yet.
 
#48
#48
DD4ME said:
Auburn and Vandy are better than USA. The USA game proves **** for this season. Our defense is improved but partially because Randolph is back and Sutton is working out. Offensively it's hard to prioritize the weakness of QB/WR/Play Calling but all 3 have been lacking. Anyone saying all 3 aren't questionable at times is deluding themselves. Maybe the WR and QB play is all at the feet of Dooley but we also lost 3 studs (4 counting DR) which was partially due to offensive success.

I'm not a defender of Dooley but some of this is like blaming past administrations for current issues. Whoever is to blame a new leader should have answers. We've not had any yet.
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Allow me to beat a dead horse.
You give me sh*t.
You ask me to make banana pudding from it.
Is it my fault that I cannot?
 
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#49
#49
BanditVol said:
2. I don't like going to the wire with USA, but as I post eslewhere, we DID WIN, and that's what matters. Last year's team probably would have folded like a cheap card table.
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People keep saying this but last years team was in a fight with Akron until we pulled away at the end of the game. We played Troy tough and pulled out at the end as well.
 
#50
#50
Doyle Hargraves said:
Fair enough.
What should we do then?
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No one but the coaches has all of that information to fully answer that question.
For example who does Ferg look in practice, how many plays does he know?

Is Worley afraid to run the ball? If not why didn't he run it more specifically why didn't he run it earlier in the season when you admitted he had the right to but was choosing not to.

Have we prepped for a wildcat series at all?
For example to sit Worley for a series just to mix it up?

What specialty plays have we installed if any?
 
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