Reason why recruiting is down a bit compared to previous 2 classes

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Question...

Why isn't there a "Football Forum Recruiting Talk" Thread?



This would fit nicely there.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
It's pretty obvious we aren't getting the bump from legacies this cycle like we did the previous two classes. That's a huge difference maker.

in '14 we got tkjr, berry twins, and bates and in '15 our top recruit and only consensus 5* in KMac.
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So JG's dad didn't go to Rutgers? :unsure:
 
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We're only taking 17-18 this cycle.
Some of the currently committed guys will not sign.
A lot of our targets will not commit till much later.

This class will be just fine, needs & rankings wise, come Feb.
 
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Because we've taken 60 recruits in 3 years, don't have much room, and 2016 recruits (who aren't RBs stand to have to wait behind talented upperclassmen a bit longer than almost all of the 2014-2015 recruits for playing time.
 
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bg1968 said:
Until Butch gives me a reason to doubt him, I for one am going to trust that he knows what he is doing. He seems to have a better than average eye for talent. His 2 and 3 star players he has found perform at a much higher level than their star ratings would indicate. E. Moseley, Cam Sutton, etc.
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In all fairness, Dooley found Sutton. Jones luckily held on to his commitment.
 
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Playing time.

I can't count on all my fingers/toes and those of my family and extended family the number of times I've heard a recruit say after signing.....

"This place just felt right to me....I grew up a ______ fan, but I'm proud to be a _________".

** translation **

"I really wanted to go to the school I've dreamed of since Pop-Warner, but they couldn't promise me early playing time so I had to look around. This new love of my life promised me playing time as a freshman, so it felt right".
 
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volatil said:
Rankings mean nothing in July.

There will additions to and subtractions from our class.

Butch has this. Relax
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Nobody is saying the process is over, just that we have been in the top 5 at this point the past two seasons. The question wasn't "How do you think we will end up?" It was "what do you suspect is the main reason, we've dropped off from where we were THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, the previous 2 classes.

It was a relevant question and not deserving of a smart-alleck reply.
 
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Recruiting isn't down. Last two classes were much larger than this class will be. And it's July.

After two top 5 classes in a row it's hard to imagine people still doubt Butch's recruiting.

Anyway, those of us who pay very close attention see that it's not slowing down. If anything it's getting better. And after UT wins 9+ this fall you'll see recruiting go through the roof. Especially if we win the SECE.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Nobody is saying the process is over, just that we have been in the top 5 at this point the past two seasons. The question wasn't "How do you think we will end up?" It was "what do you suspect is the main reason, we've dropped off from where we were THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, the previous 2 classes.

It was a relevant question and not deserving of a smart-alleck reply.
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Maybe it's the whole "dropped off" thing in general...doesn't really warrant a serious response. :gone:
 
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About 3 years ago, Memphis had a top 3 recruiting class in basketball. 5 of the 6 recruits have since transferred. What would their ranking have been if they had signed only the 1 recruit?

Point being, it doesn't matter where you rank in the recruiting year - what matters is how many of those top recruits are remaining in year 3 and 4. I am hoping that next year we still have at least 40 of those 60 recruits we signed in the last 3 years.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Nobody is saying the process is over, just that we have been in the top 5 at this point the past two seasons. The question wasn't "How do you think we will end up?" It was "what do you suspect is the main reason, we've dropped off from where we were THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, the previous 2 classes.

It was a relevant question and not deserving of a smart-alleck reply.
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And it's a question that has already been answered 6 or 7 times.

It's the numbers we're up against this year.
 
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I'm sure there are a bunch of guys who are wanting to commit to UT right now, but I think the staff is choosing to be more selective of who they take. Going after the best!
 
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85SugarVol said:
And it's a question that has already been answered 6 or 7 times.

It's the numbers we're up against this year.
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This
I dont know why we have to keep going over the numbers thing. Sooner or later people are going to have to realize that this is going to be a smaller class thus not as highly ranked.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Recruiting isn't down. Last two classes were much larger than this class will be. And it's July.

After two top 5 classes in a row it's hard to imagine people still doubt Butch's recruiting.

Anyway, those of us who pay very close attention see that it's not slowing down. If anything it's getting better. And after UT wins 9+ this fall you'll see recruiting go through the roof. Especially if we win the SECE.
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Yep. And we're "in" on how many 5* and high 4* guys right now? This class is going to finish very, very strong. It may not rank as high as the last two, but that's only because we will have fewer recruits and fewer overall points.
 
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KBVol said:
Define choosy. It appears that Butch is accepting the commitments of players he thinks fit the program and his recruiting profile. Clearly, to this point, a player's 24/7 or Rivals rating doesn't square with him being "choosy". At the end of the day, I believe we'll see this class finish with several higher rates players than the collective rating of the players we currently have committed. However, saying we're being choosy to this point as a reason for why our class is currently rated much lower than at this point each of the last 2 years just doesn't make sense.
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of the commits we've got right now, i agree. but he's doing some good things on need and fit with who we've got on board right now.....that said.....

what i'm really getting at is the targets. we're still on the board for a big time RB, OL, WR, DL....etc...and i think we're putting more energy in to recruiting a smaller sample size for those positions, b/c of the numbers.

they know who they want, and they're going after them.

the downside is the smaller sample size leaves less room for error. if they can't get the guys in their top 3-4 at those positions, then that will be bad. i don't think that will happen obviously, but in the end, i was gearing that toward the targets still on the board for 2016....
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
We were ranked in the Top 5....IN JULY...last year. I'll hang up and listen to your attempt to 'splain that one.
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All of the recruitniks--Hubbs, Fortenberry, et al--have been saying that 2016 would be a lower ranked class than the previous two for quite a while.

They also said that the average star rating would be equal to, if not exceed, the previous two classes, as well.

This won't be a big class but it will be a talented one.

2017, however, is going to be a huge, huge, huge class. The amount of Top 100 talent we're in on is nothing short of amazing.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
What do you guys suspect is the MAIN reason why our recruiting class thus far is way behind where it was the past 2 years?

Me, personally...I'm sure numbers (we can't take as many as we did) has something to do with it, but I think the primary reason is because the top tier recruits are taking a "wait and see" approach to the Vols.

If we do take the SEC E crown, I think we will have another stellar class, despite lower numbers. But if we just pull off a decent season, we will only have a decent class. I think Butch was able to sell both playing time and his record at Cincinnati, for the last 2 classes, but there hasn't been much proof on the field...yet, that this program will be a successful one.

That's why I really think this is sort of a make or break year for the whole staff, in terms of recruiting momentum. An average season after 2 stellar classes will stunt the momentum they have had. But a stellar season will take recruiting to another level. I think the 5* recruits like Gary, Davis, Feaster, Little and others are keeping an eye on the team to see where it's trajectory is.

What say ye?
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Numbers. Limited spots and we are in the top 2 for several elite players that are not announcing until late. Both VQ and 247 have hinted that this staff has not accepted several commitments from some really good players because they are waiting to hear from the top guys. We are in a prime position to be able to do this. We don't just need to fill roster spots to fill them. Now we can wait on some guys that are elite to make their decision and if we miss on them while having a big year we are more able to come back to our secondary group and get back in the game with them. Easier to do it that way when your winning instead of losing.

Also it's a down year in state compared to last two classes and next yrs. Alotnofnthe guys we really like we are trying to steal from other states.
 
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the kids we are in on are waiting. last couple years seemed like we had a lot ready to sign by July, this year they are wanting to wait. different players, different commitment time frame. also the instate talent isn't like the last couple. good DBs but no top end talent (Hurd, Malone, Richmond, Phillips).

i am not concerned because we are favored to win a lot of guys that would make this a good to great class. and last year only 1 school signed fewer than 20 and was ranked in the top 25, per 247. UCLA with 19 signees and the number 12 class.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Because we've taken 60 recruits in 3 years, don't have much room, and 2016 recruits (who aren't RBs stand to have to wait behind talented upperclassmen a bit longer than almost all of the 2014-2015 recruits for playing time.
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Playing time doesn't hold water. Look at the teams at the top of the rankings. They recruit well every year and are stocked with more talent then we are. That said its way to early to say recruiting is down. One or two elite prospects and we are in the top 10.

Btw we have signed 60 in two years 81 in three years although approximately 25% of them are no longer here for one reason or another.
 
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DeekT said:
This
I dont know why we have to keep going over the numbers thing. Sooner or later people are going to have to realize that this is going to be a smaller class thus not as highly ranked.
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Where the crap is Leb when you actually need him!
 
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After we sign Warrior, one of the top 5 rbs on rivals, Landon Dickerson, and Nigel Knott I plan on bumping this thread.
 
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