Reason why recruiting is down a bit compared to previous 2 classes

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VOLorNuttin said:
What do you guys suspect is the MAIN reason why our recruiting class thus far is way behind where it was the past 2 years?

Me, personally...I'm sure numbers (we can't take as many as we did) has something to do with it, but I think the primary reason is because the top tier recruits are taking a "wait and see" approach to the Vols.

If we do take the SEC E crown, I think we will have another stellar class, despite lower numbers. But if we just pull off a decent season, we will only have a decent class. I think Butch was able to sell both playing time and his record at Cincinnati, for the last 2 classes, but there hasn't been much proof on the field...yet, that this program will be a successful one.

That's why I really think this is sort of a make or break year for the whole staff, in terms of recruiting momentum. An average season after 2 stellar classes will stunt the momentum they have had. But a stellar season will take recruiting to another level. I think the 5* recruits like Gary, Davis, Feaster, Little and others are keeping an eye on the team to see where it's trajectory is.

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I have to agree with you on this season being a very big factor on the field as to relating to the recruiting momentum. I think were still headed for a pretty decent class this season. We've got alot of big time kids that really paying attention to see how we can put it together this season. If our Vols can put together a prime time season this yr I think were going to be in good shape with some of the big fish on NSD.
 
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Vol8188 said:
After we sign Warrior, one of the top 5 rbs on rivals, Landon Dickerson, and Nigel Knott I plan on bumping this thread.
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By all means....once we add those and other highly rated players to the mainly 3 star players (all be they players that fit the program/system/profile Butch wants)that we currently have committed, our class ranking will bolt from the low 20s to the top 10, which is where we all want it to be.
 
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KBVol said:
By all means....once we add those and other highly rated players to the mainly 3 star players (all be they players that fit the program/system/profile Butch wants)that we currently have committed, our class ranking will bolt from the low 20s to the top 10, which is where we all want it to be.
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but its not where we will end up. our numbers will keep us out of the top ten. go back and look at past classes, 24 is almost required to be ranked that high. too many other people with larger classes.
 
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We got 3 or 4 so called silent commits that will put on the BIG ORANGE CAP ON NSD, so we might close with a surprise ranking when all said and done.
 
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LouderVol said:
but its not where we will end up. our numbers will keep us out of the top ten. go back and look at past classes, 24 is almost required to be ranked that high. too many other people with larger classes.
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We just need to fill our needs and the rest will take care of it self.
 
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Overall, we're a young roster. A top 20 recruiting class is more than acceptable. It's hard to convince players that they may have to sit two or three seasons before being able to play. We're in great shape.
 
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LouderVol said:
but its not where we will end up. our numbers will keep us out of the top ten. go back and look at past classes, 24 is almost required to be ranked that high. too many other people with larger classes.
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We're sitting at 18th in rivals right now with only 12 commits...6 4*s, 6 3*s, no 5 stars. I'm thinking that 1 or 2 of our current 3* commits won't eventually sign, leaving us with 8-9 players left to sign. If we're able to sign a couple of 5*s with the remaining signees all 4*s (this is optimistic yet doable given the players we're strongly in on, ie Warrior, Knott, Brown, Emmons, Williams, Davis, Dickerson, etc), we'll have a chance to crack the top 10. Our current avg star rating is higher than 8-9 teams ahead of us in the ranking now, and, iiirc, they'll only look at each team's top 20 players anyway. If we have 18-19 recruits, 12-13 of which are very highly ranked players I think we can crack the top 10.
 
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Among 247 top-300 recruits, we currently have the following committed: QB Jarrett Guarantano (#105), CB Marquill Osborne (#204), and OT Ryan Johnson (#270). DE Chidi Okonye is at #318.

We currently lead in cb's for the following: RB B.J. Emmons (#108), LB Daniel Bituli (#179), DB Joejuan Williams (#188), OT Bryce Mathews (#235), DE Emmitt Gooden (#237), and DB Donte Vaughn (#296).

Georgia currently has a slim lead in cb's for Nigel Warrior (#78), though Tennessee is probably in better position.

We're either listed among the finalists or picking up recent significant attention from the following: DT Derrick Brown (#7), WR Kyle Davis (#51), ATH Mecole Hardman (#70), DB Nigel Knott (#72), OT Landon Dickerson (#74), WR Diondre Overton (#116), RB Elijah Holyfiled (#191).

We still have an outside shot at RB Kareem Walker (#29) and DT Rashan Gary (#1).

I'm sure I've missed a few. Still, if we keep the ones committed, get most of the ones cb'd to us, get Warrior, and win a couple of the recruiting battles, we'll have a good class.
 
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Its because Butch has lost it and no longer knows how to recruit. No one wants to face that hard fact but its true blue! :)
 
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Bms4880 said:
Among 247 top-300 recruits, we currently have the following committed: QB Jarrett Guarantano (#105), CB Marquill Osborne (#204), and OT Ryan Johnson (#270). DE Chidi Okonye is at #318.

We currently lead in cb's for the following: RB B.J. Emmons (#108), LB Daniel Bituli (#179), DB Joejuan Williams (#188), OT Bryce Mathews (#235), DE Emmitt Gooden (#237), and DB Donte Vaughn (#296).

Georgia currently has a slim lead in cb's for Nigel Warrior (#78), though Tennessee is probably in better position.

We're either listed among the finalists or picking up recent significant attention from the following: DT Derrick Brown (#7), WR Kyle Davis (#51), ATH Mecole Hardman (#70), DB Nigel Knott (#72), OT Landon Dickerson (#74), WR Diondre Overton (#116), RB Elijah Holyfiled (#191).

We still have an outside shot at RB Kareem Walker (#29) and DT Rashan Gary (#1).

I'm sure I've missed a few. Still, if we keep the ones committed, get most of the ones cb'd to us, get Warrior, and win a couple of the recruiting battles, we'll have a good class.
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But, but, but...last year.
 
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I'm guessing final class ranking between 11 and 15 with an outside shot of cracking the Top 10.

If we come in just outside of the Top 10, with 17 - 19 solid recruits, we'll be sitting pretty for the future.

If we manage an 8 - 10 spot with 17 - 19 recruits.......National Championship predictions for our Vols will be running rampant through the media within 2 years.
 
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Agree 100% Ron. Not to mention that schools in the B1G are unusually active right now in garnering early commitments which has led to them pushing up to the top of the rankings with nearly full classes, that won't last as the top recruits start to commit to the usually suspects (our Vols included). Relax and enjoy the ride.

Ron Swanson said:
Recruiting isn't down. Last two classes were much larger than this class will be. And it's July.

After two top 5 classes in a row it's hard to imagine people still doubt Butch's recruiting.

Anyway, those of us who pay very close attention see that it's not slowing down. If anything it's getting better. And after UT wins 9+ this fall you'll see recruiting go through the roof. Especially if we win the SECE.
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VOLorNuttin said:
What do you guys suspect is the MAIN reason why our recruiting class thus far is way behind where it was the past 2 years?

Me, personally...I'm sure numbers (we can't take as many as we did) has something to do with it, but I think the primary reason is because the top tier recruits are taking a "wait and see" approach to the Vols.

If we do take the SEC E crown, I think we will have another stellar class, despite lower numbers. But if we just pull off a decent season, we will only have a decent class. I think Butch was able to sell both playing time and his record at Cincinnati, for the last 2 classes, but there hasn't been much proof on the field...yet, that this program will be a successful one.

That's why I really think this is sort of a make or break year for the whole staff, in terms of recruiting momentum. An average season after 2 stellar classes will stunt the momentum they have had. But a stellar season will take recruiting to another level. I think the 5* recruits like Gary, Davis, Feaster, Little and others are keeping an eye on the team to see where it's trajectory is.

What say ye?
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1. Unlike in the previous 2 years, some key prospects are announcing on NSD
2. Our EE class is small compared to the previous 2 yrs
3. There is a good chance we have a couple silent commits in the bag
4. Georgia (Pruitt specifically) recruiting at a higher level than previous years
5. The 5 stars you mentioned are not really top priorities except Kyle Davis. Derrick Brown on the other hand...
6. The two years previous, we pushed our classes to the absolute limit with EEs, blueshirts, and basically any trick under the sun to get our roster back up to par.
7. Need to make sure we don't steal any unnecessary spots from 2017 as it could be Butch's best class to date.
 
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First three classes was about restocking a very depleted roster, with the first class being done on short order. If you look at the rosters from year to year, there was alot of attrition, as many underclassmen have parted ways Sadly, for whatever reasons, some portions of the first two classes have been a part of that.

So, in addition to reasons others have mentioned, I think it is possible the staff may also be slowing the process down to get a better look at character and how well they fit. I understand that players leaving is going to happen, but the rate of departure so far has been staggering.
 
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LouderVol said:
but its not where we will end up. our numbers will keep us out of the top ten. go back and look at past classes, 24 is almost required to be ranked that high. too many other people with larger classes.
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Rivals only counts the Top 20 in each class from each school. You can crack the Top 10 on Rivals signing only 18 players, if you sign the right ones.

247 is harder to project, as they do not publish their formulas. But what is clear is that there are definitely diminishing returns in the 247 rankings for your 24th, 25th, etc recruits.

I still maintain that if the chips fall like we expect them to, and we sign 18, we'll land somewhere between #8 - #10
 
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This post is only slightly related to the topic:

But one thing we may see a lot of in the future is blue shirting players who may not qualify academically.

It takes almost all of the risk away. Since they don't sign, you don't lose a spot in your recruiting class if they don't make it in.
 
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Tennessee's class is going to look much different in February than it does now, whether good or bad. There will always be a few that decommit and a few commit that shock us (Kirkland). Unless Tennessee gets every big commit that they are after, then they will probably finish 12th-18th.

Now if we play well, then look for the '17 class to be very good. With only 18 scholarships, it is tough to have a top 7-8 class unless you get all 4* and 5*.
 
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