Recruiting Football Talk VII

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I know 10-2/9-3 is still on the table, but I just don’t have the confidence that many on this board have that the Missouri and Kentucky games are the easy wins some think. Neither of those teams are as bad as people want to think, and we haven’t played a complete 4 quarters all year. If our offense can’t figure out how to score more than 20 points against teams not named South Carolina, these next two games are going to be L’s.

We certainly have time to figure it out. But the playbook needs to get a bit more creative and we need to find a way to play 4 full quarters like we did last year consistently. If I hear a player come out again in the post-game press conference and say for the 3rd time “we just lost our edge” I’m going to lose my mind.
For this season to be “successful” at this point we have to win everything outside of Georgia and keep the recruiting class intact. Throw in quality transfers and its optimism city heading to 2024. Beat Georgia? That’s a massive boost to the year.

They have got to focus quick and handle Kentucky or this thing can start to spiral fast. We’ve all seen it. You cannot take your foot off the gas or this momentum will drown out and once recruits start falling out it’s over. We are just within reach of building quality depth. We are seeing it on the defensive front and the running backs. Need playmakers and a qb next year.
 
I took last nights loss hard. We went out on the boat yesterday so I had to record the game and was watching it on delay. By half time, I got the cigar out and was feeling pretty damned good (thanks in part to good alcohol, naturally).

To lose like we did hurt.

Day after and I’m still annoyed but just want to fast forward to next week. Give me wins vs Kensucky and Missouri and I’ll be happy. This was always going to be a transition year. The homer in me thought Joe was capable of more.

One thing I will say - I love Heupel but he makes some very questionable decisions sometimes. No coach is perfect but his decisions to go for it on 4th down and his short yardage play selection have been terrible this year.
I have zero problem going on very short 4th downs (fwiw the first one was spotted poorly on 3rd down and thus left us short after 4th down, but alas) but ffs please go under center and let Smalls and a TE push Milton forward.

It's not that complicated 😒
 
I really hope our offensive struggles are joe and not the coordinator. Joe doesn’t have consistent touch on some very basic passes. See the tight end laser in the first half. It’s so weird that last year, with this defense we go to playoffs. This year, with last years offense we are likely undefeated. I hope next year we have a qb and playmakers to finally put it all together. Primary objective is make sure they have a damn good reason to keep rolling with joe.
 
I have zero problem going on very short 4th downs (fwiw the first one was spotted poorly on 3rd down and thus left us short after 4th down, but alas) but ffs please go under center and let Smalls and a TE push Milton forward.

It's not that complicated 😒

Agreed. 4th and 1 and we’re in shot gun to run a draw play. Wtf
 
NFL refs are god awful.

You could pay them a million a year. That's a problem that will never be solved with current methods.

Still, I like your idea. But don't expect that much improvement either.
it makes it worse bc we are watching super slow motion from several different camera angles… The refs are trying to keep up with giants running extremely fast speeds…. They do need to make changes but no one will ever be happy.
 
Kirby made the NCG game in year 2.

Look at the program he inherited that was winning 10 games a year on average with all that talent....then look at the program CJH inherited it's a miracle we are even this good in year 3.

You truly are the most moronic poster on this board.
 
Firstly, if you or someone you know is questioning Heupel at this point I'm wondering if you're even a fan. Or if you only pop by for when the team is playing well because after all we have been through CJH is the best we've had since Fulmer with potential to match or exceed him in a tougher conference. That doesn't mean he's above criticism but some of what I'm seeing has to be written by trolls. It's just that stupid.

Secondly... so why didn't Pearce play in the 4th? Anyone know?
 
Some will scoff...but let's talk outside shots.

1) Take care of your own business. Go beat UK and Mizzou on the road. That's not an easy task. But nor did beating a very talented A&M team and getting revenge vs USCjr.

2) UGA has Florida, Missouri, and Ole Miss coming up.

If UGA drops one, everything is still in front of us.
 
I know 10-2/9-3 is still on the table, but I just don’t have the confidence that many on this board have that the Missouri and Kentucky games are the easy wins some think. Neither of those teams are as bad as people want to think, and we haven’t played a complete 4 quarters all year. If our offense can’t figure out how to score more than 20 points against teams not named South Carolina, these next two games are going to be L’s.

We certainly have time to figure it out. But the playbook needs to get a bit more creative and we need to find a way to play 4 full quarters like we did last year consistently. If I hear a player come out again in the post-game press conference and say for the 3rd time “we just lost our edge” I’m going to lose my mind.
so i agree with this. and given our road woes....you just can't take any game for granted. i think UK is a better match up, football wise, for us i think, though if they get the run game going, that could be problematic. mizzou can cause us some problems...great wr play, gutty qb play..and very solid defense. i can't pencil in w's. i think they're certainly two games we can win, and i won't be surprised at all if we win both.....disappointed if we go 1-1 or worse. neither are 'roll your helmets out there' games for sure.

as for the players getting complacent, and i'm not jumping on the bash cjh train here, that's a coaching issue. that's also a locker room leadership issue. guys like Joe Milton and Aaron Beasley should be pissed. i'm glad some of the players actually came out and said what it was though. that at least shows some level of ownership....what they do with it now, remains to be seen.

as for yesterday on the field...the refs were bad. i can't say that's the reason we lost, but it certainly didn't help, and it goes on the list of reasons. that alabama had 1 call for 5 yards is criminal. they do so much after the play that "unnecessary" and could/should be flagged. and the holding....well that's just a tale as old as time.

on Joe, i think he is what he is, and my biggest critique of him is real simple...when you have to, he can't/doesn't. there's probably a litany of reasons/theories as to why, all of which have been discussed here a lot. bottom line....when you have to make a play.....ugh.

i love that cjh is aggressive. but we don't have all the horses to be as aggressive as he's been a times this year, especially considering the play calls on some of those 4th downs. i will never understand running right in to the strength of that DL out of the shotgun...made no sense to me. so some of those decisions had me scratching my head. but, that's a 'play to win' mentality, and i'll never not be ok with that.

that said, there are things he can learn situationally about managing a game from this year. margin for error is/was slight for us. and we played in to that, and it worked to Bama's favor.

losing mincey and hadden were big losses. we really miss Bru's blocking on the perimter.

there were many positives though. i thought Squirrel and Keyton both had really good games. Joe really wasn't bad yesterday...he really wasn't. but i think what we saw yesterday may be his ceiling, and that's ok, if he can do that consistently. i loved his own aggressiveness when he ran the ball and he threw the ball with some confidence finally. he had 2 or 3 of the best balls he's thrown here yesterday.... WR's went and got the ball for him. Wright ran hard, and Sampson is just awesome. i appreciate jabari small, but i think wright and sampson should be getting all the carries/touches at this point. our defense was very good...til it wasn't. and our DL is just good....good to see Cassels more involved.

the biggest positive i'll take from this game is for 30 minutes we saw what this group is capable of. so it's no longer a matter of capability.....they need to carry THAT in to every game the rest of the way.
 
one last thing...despite a lot of the inequities in the officiating, i thing the single biggest impact on the game yesterday was the adjustments Bama made in their run game, and our lack of adjusting to that. they were moving people around, motioning everywhere, really making us look at what was going on pre snap, and putting us on "reaction" mode vs playing down hill like we were able to do in the first half. there weren't very many pass rush opportunities in the 2nd half, and they were able to run around us.
 
CJH had us on track k to make the playoffs in year 2 in a lot worse situation then bowl cut kirby
How do people not understand that

We’re usually fun to watch

Could have sunbelt billy or Beamer as our coach

They would’ve sucked here

CJH is the 3rd best coach in the sec behind a legend and a guy who coaches UGA, a school that’s loaded
Overall he’s probably one of the top 8 coaches in the country If not too 5

Nobody outside a couple would have Tennessee where it’s at right now
 
Some people need to calm down on the CJH bashing. He took over a program that quite honestly was in the worst shape it has arguably ever been in and NOBODY wanted to be close to and gave us a path to move forward. Am I happy we were beaten by our biggest rivals this year, absolutely not but we are miles away from where we were and are a handful of plays away from where we want to be. For once in DECADES we have a Coach, Administration and Donors that seem to have a plan to get us back on top in ALL sports and it is working. The players will come and so will the Wins. Will there be disappointments along the way, sure but at least we will be in a position where the big wins can outweigh the disappointments we all have gone through for way to long. Don't let the set backs on the way dim the brightness that is just ahead......the future is as bright as it has been in 20 yrs and that alone is something to be excited about. GO VOLS !!!!
 
CJH had us on track k to make the playoffs in year 2 in a lot worse situation then bowl cut kirby
How do people not understand that

We’re usually fun to watch

Could have sunbelt billy or Beamer as our coach

They would’ve sucked here

CJH is the 3rd best coach in the sec behind a legend and a guy who coaches UGA, a school that’s loaded
Overall he’s probably one of the top 8 coaches in the country If not too 5

Nobody outside a couple would have Tennessee where it’s at right now

Heupel’s offense will always have Tennessee in games. Even with his gambling mentality, I’ll take it any day of the week over Sun Belt Billy or Beamer Ball.
 
I’d like to hear @LA Vol thoughts? Should be interesting about the narrative around UT and officiating.
Not sure about interesting-- but not surprising. UT sends a communication to the SEC after every game. Interns prepare a compilation report-- all SEC schools do it, and all have grievances. It’s referenced on weekly conference calls and private calls, as well. This is SOP. It goes nowhere. No one thinks it will. To escalate, UT would have to comment publicly and challenge the SEC to address the issue and act decisively to bring about productive change. The only palatable way to do this is to secure support from other programs and make it about something like player safety. Refs allowing players to kick, horsecollar, choke and intentionally hold opposing players as a strategy, betting it won’t be called, risks injury.

Big Money is at stake, and the support isn’t there. Sankey wants at least one SEC team in the playoffs. UGA and Bama have looked wobbly and need propping up. No one considers UT a legit playoff team this year. A team that has to go through UGA and Bama every year to even get to the SECCG is a team that has to put itself in a position to overcome the odds.

UT knew the Vols could not expect a fair whistle in Tuscaloosa. The coaches knew they would have to be unstoppable to beat Bama in front of their home crowd. The players knew they would need to keep their composure, be mentally tough and not back down. I think CJH knew how he was going to respond in the presser and had backing to send the message he sent. He opened the door for the media to run with it.

Many think college sports is broken. But it’s running how those steering it intend it to go.
 
Also...this was Milton's best game of the year...28/41 271 yds 2td and 60 yards rushing. Yes he had the fumble at the end but the coaching staff failed him and this team with the offensive playcalling in the 2nd half ...it was atrocious. Which resulted in the defense getting gassed because the offense couldn't sustain any drives.
 


This is why you stick with Heupel and let him get studs in the program. It took Dabo a few seasons to get Clemson going.

i think you could argue that we're already going. yesterday is what it is...but is anyone really believing the direction of this program is going in the wrong one?

we're half way thru year 3 and could be 6-2 again after next week. and we still have huge games left against ranked opponents, and plenty to play for post season wise....

losing sucks, especially when you know you could have won. after the last 15 years, there's been less than handful of those type of games against Bama. and we've won one of them.

if i'm looking at this as part of a progression of steps...we're still taking positive ones.
 
What were you doing this time last year?

I woke up early with nitrous running through my blood, jumped in the car, blared Rocky Top with all 4 windows down rolling past everyone waiting for doughnuts outside the coffee shop beside us, then drove to get some Bruegger's Bagles.. blared Rocky Top about 15 times going there and back. It's a 7 minute drive.

Was buzzing for a week.

Will be doing the same in 365 days. Bet.
 
Not sure about interesting-- but not surprising. UT sends a communication to the SEC after every game. Interns prepare a compilation report-- all SEC schools do it, and all have grievances. It’s referenced on weekly conference calls and private calls, as well. This is SOP. It goes nowhere. No one thinks it will. To escalate, UT would have to comment publicly and challenge the SEC to address the issue and act decisively to bring about productive change. The only palatable way to do this is to secure support from other programs and make it about something like player safety. Refs allowing players to kick, horsecollar, choke and intentionally hold opposing players as a strategy, betting it won’t be called, risks injury.

Big Money is at stake, and the support isn’t there. Sankey wants at least one SEC team in the playoffs. UGA and Bama have looked wobbly and need propping up. No one considers UT a legit playoff team this year. A team that has to go through UGA and Bama every year to even get to the SECCG is a team that has to put itself in a position to overcome the odds.

UT knew the Vols could not expect a fair whistle in Tuscaloosa. The coaches knew they would have to be unstoppable to beat Bama in front of their home crowd. The players knew they would need to keep their composure, be mentally tough and not back down. I think CJH knew how he was going to respond in the presser and had backing to send the message he sent. He opened the door for the media to run with it.

Many think college sports is broken. But it’s running how those steering it intend it to go.
this. after every play, a kick, a shove, a push back to the ground....the bad part is they 'd only need to call it once early to get it to stop, or mostly stop all together...but they let it go the entire game.
 
I think it’s completely fair to question whether Joe actually is the best choice to win games. Heupel clearly has a soft spot for Joe, and while I don’t blame Joe for either of our losses this year, this offense clearly has a ceiling with what he can do. Considering that we’ve only scored 20 points or less in 3 of our 4 SEC games so far, you’re telling me you don’t think Nico can score 20 points against Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy? I don’t think it’s possible for this offense to be any worse than it has been.
From the media, the team loves Joe and you may lose the locker room by replacing him when he's playing decent.
 
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