Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Big Orange#1]

Why can we not install the bush push??!!?? The eagles have shown the formula to convert every 4 and inches

 

[Vol423]

Our next 4 weeks:

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Georgia's next 4 weeks:
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Obviously our biggest concern right now is reasserting our dominance over UK.

I'd say there's a 10% chance of us winning out to the UGA game, and UGA tripping up once. But there's still a chance. At let our fans and Neyland have that Georgia game with Atlanta on the line. It's college football, crazier things have happened. A month is a long damn time in college football.

The point is, the coffin isn't nailed shut yet. If Georgia trips up once, we control our destiny. That's more than we can say for any season before last year. How many other seasons have we made it to November with a path to Atlanta still on the table?

Laugh if you want, but the division is not decided yet. You might have to be uncomfortable cheering for Florida, Missouri and/or Ole Miss to do the unthinkable. But there have been Tennessee teams that did the unthinkable. There have been Georgia teams that did the unthinkable. Hold on tight.

You do realize that Florida only has one SEC loss, and is, therefore ahead of us in the SEC East standings. Right? Where is their schedule? We don’t control our destiny even if GA loses a game before playing us. We need Florida to lose again. Florida beating Georgia doesn’t help us.

 

[BigSteve09]

now that we are comfortable with designed Milton runs and Milton has remembered that he is a big boi, maybe we can start to build out some more options, sweeps, draws, etc

Put Squirrel or Dee in the slot faking/taking sweeps or turning into the pitch man for more designed Joe options

 

[GVol1966]

If only there were people who's responsibility it were to seek out, research, sign, and develop said players. Further, to put those players, schematically, in best position to make plays. What if those persons were paid high six and seven figure salaries to do this, hypothetically speaking - of course.

At this point, with the tools this school has and its resources we should play second fiddle to no one. Georgia and Bama have several class leads on us. But no more excuses. If its an execution issue, and its a player issue. This is Y3. Halzle is the QB guy. That's on him. If its a talent issue, they've had plenty of time to find other QB's. Also on him. There has been plenty of time to build OL and DL depth.

Halzle is unimpressive thus far. OL coach is on a short leash. Garner does more with less, but, its time to upgrade our talent there - and we have. But I dont see any help in this class.

At the end of the day, we are 5-2. And admittedly, my take is scathingly hot. But, I've been consistent in that message. I do think before a change is made, we should wait until the EoS.

I think we beat KY, but after UGA and potentially Missouri. Things could get ugly.

Highlighted the only thing that matters in the above.
Sabans had 12 or so consecutive top 5 classes.
And you don’t see any help in this class!
That says pretty much all you have to!
We don’t know who all ends up in this class, so you’re pretty much jumping to conclusions on that like most of the other stuff.

 

[BigSteve09]

You do realize that Florida only has one SEC loss, and is, therefore ahead of us in the SEC East standings. Right? We don’t control our destiny even if GA loses a game before playing us. We need Florida to lose again. Florida beating Georgia doesn’t help us.

It will all work itself out. We're still in the hunt.

 

[Ten_Titans]

The most effective thing about Birmingham stealing games in broad daylight for Alabama is that it is not reviewable.

The second worst thing is that fan bases turn their anger inward on their own team, and in no time convince themselves that it was their team's own fault that they lost.

That was the most crooked game in the history of games, and there is absolutely nothing we could have done to overcome that level of rigging. Whatever anyone wants to imagine we "coulda shoulda woulda" done or not done would have simply been flagged like everything else was flagged or given the blind eye treatment (whichever helped Alabama).

The fix was in. Nothing coulda shoulda woulda worked. Nothing.

And yet you will still watch the games... For some reason.

Getting emotionally invested in a fixed game. Pretty pathetic really. Unless of course you don't really believe it and it's just a tangeant to go on to make yourself feel better. Like all the other posters who explain the three dozen ways we can't win every week to make themselves feel better.

 

[AllVol11717]

Joe isn’t “Josh’s guy” he’s our 6th year qb who was recruited out of high school by Michigan more than half a decade ago. Last year, when coach recruited Nico to Tennessee, he established that Nico is his guy. Joe is a very solid QB, but of course we expect Nico to be great & he will, in time. He’s 19. We don’t have to burn Nico’s redshirt when our issues don’t singularly land on the QB’s head. They just don’t. WR’s have been suspect this year. RB’s effective. Rhythm matters and when you can’t get into a rhythm because guys aren’t catching balls and the refs aren’t making calls, calls we were getting last year specifically defensive pass interference, it makes it very difficult for anyone, Joe, Nico, or otherwise.

Nick Saban raised enough fuss over the off season to reasonably affect how this conference (and seemingly nationwide) penalizes defensive pass interference. A penalty we got 3 times/game on average last season and a penalty we haven’t hardly seen all year. It’s hard to justify certain play calling when you know certain balls are riskier because DB’s can play physical with no repercussions. We are in a situation where we are learning the new rules as we go and for a team with our offensive identity it’s more difficult than others. Hence why we’ve all of a sudden got one of the top rushing attacks in the league. Our coach is smart and is finding ways to win around the new rules.

Let’s hope next year we at least get an updated official rule book so we can game plan the actual rules of the game and be able to put Nico in a real position for success. Are they going to call DPI? Did we watch Arizona State? It’s getting ridiculous

Agree with this post wholeheartedly. My one thing Re:Nico is does he have the potential to elevate the play of those around him?

Most great QBs do and I wonder if Nico throws the redzone pass and late third and long that were both too high for Warren to reach, if we don’t convert those plays instead. Yes, the problem absolutely isn’t just Joe, the WRs have struggled a lot, but if Nico could be more consistent than Joe that could help to offset the other shortcomings.

Not saying he should have played yesterday, especially with how Joe started off, but I’d like to see him and some other younger guys get more looks at least against teams like UConn and Vandy.

 

[KptVFL]

Here is our record through the Third Saturday in October in the post-Fulmer era:

2009: 3-4
2010: 2-5
2011: 3-4
2012: 3-4
2013: 4-4
2014: 3-5
2015: 3-4
2016: 5-2
2017: 3-4
2018: 3-4
2019: 2-5
2020: 2-3
2021: 4-4
2022: 6-0
2023: 5-2

You may be bitter, hungover, pissed, whatever

As a Vols fan, you're not as miserable as you've been

Good post!

Perspective

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Hey look the attention whore.

 

[JCVol00]

Kiffin siding with Tennessee fans is like in the movies when one of the antagonists team up with the protagonists

 

[GVol1966]

Here is our record through the Third Saturday in October in the post-Fulmer era:

2009: 3-4
2010: 2-5
2011: 3-4
2012: 3-4
2013: 4-4
2014: 3-5
2015: 3-4
2016: 5-2
2017: 3-4
2018: 3-4
2019: 2-5
2020: 2-3
2021: 4-4
2022: 6-0
2023: 5-2

You may be bitter, hungover, pissed, whatever

As a Vols fan, you're not as miserable as you've been

If anyone really expected any better the last 2 years then that’s on them, I don’t know what else to say. They were living in fantasy land.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I took last nights loss hard. We went out on the boat yesterday so I had to record the game and was watching it on delay. By half time, I got the cigar out and was feeling pretty damned good (thanks in part to good alcohol, naturally).

To lose like we did hurt.

Day after and I’m still annoyed but just want to fast forward to next week. Give me wins vs Kensucky and Missouri and I’ll be happy. This was always going to be a transition year. The homer in me thought Joe was capable of more.

One thing I will say - I love Heupel but he makes some very questionable decisions sometimes. No coach is perfect but his decisions to go for it on 4th down and his short yardage play selection have been terrible this year.

 

[GVol1966]

Hey look the attention whore.

He wasn’t lying. Lane May be a douche but he knows we got screwed

 

[mr.checkerboards]

 

[mr.checkerboards]

He wasn’t lying. Lane May be a douche but he knows we got screwed

Considering his game kicked at 7, he probably didn't see a snap of our game.

 

[drvenner]

As for Milton. He is not Manning or Hooker. But he also isn't JG or Crompton. He gives us the best chance to win and I support him. We saw improvement on the road yesterday. Will we play in another road environment like that the rest of the year? No. Do we get our toughest remaining opponent at home? Yes. Even if we decided to change QB's do you think it would happen (outside of injury) prior to Georgia?

Look, I was hoping for 10-2 this year. More than likely we will be 8-4 with a good bowl. We need our freshman to get bigger and understand the schemes. Even our freshmen on defense are making costly mistakes against our better opponents. When you are forced to play freshmen, you are probably going to lose. WE MISS PILI BIGTIME!

I'm signing off now. I have to drive a van full of smelly soccer players across GA and back to Florida. It is literally the only time I wished masking rules were back. Freaking cleats are migraine inducing. Pray for me. Go Vols. Beat Kentucky!

Mr Met and Drvenner, you are back on the clock and thank you both for carrying the flag!

I got you, brah. Just pull over if you have to vomit.

 

[drvenner]

I wonder how much of an effect it has on us when we see that we are blatantly getting screwed by the refs. I know it shouldn’t be an excuse, but these are 18 to 22-year-old kids. I’m sure it has to be hard to feel like you’re up against the mountain and not being given a fair chance. I wonder how much that affects the coaches and their play calls, as they try to protect Things from getting worse.

Hey, you said we were going to run the table in 2019 and we did. I need you to say that again, please.

 

[GVol1966]

Considering his game kicked at 7, he probably didn't see a snap of our game.

He didn’t have to, to know!
He knew we played Bama at Bama.
That’s all the info he needed to know exactly how Huepel was feeling from the question!

 

[Devo182]

That feels like putting it modestly. The LSU game feels like an outlier at this point. Our last 4 SEC road games have been complete eggs. Concerning some for the long-term future.

I mean...we outgained them by 50 yards, had more 1st downs, and won the TO battle.

That'll win a lot of road games. What killed us was basically settling for 2 FGs inside the 10, Hadden going out, and the killer scoop and score.

That game overall looked like a big upgrade over USCjr 2022 and UF.

 

[Govolsman98]

I took last nights loss hard. We went out on the boat yesterday so I had to record the game and was watching it on delay. By half time, I got the cigar out and was feeling pretty damned good (thanks in part to good alcohol, naturally).

To lose like we did hurt.

Day after and I’m still annoyed but just want to fast forward to next week. Give me wins vs Kensucky and Missouri and I’ll be happy. This was always going to be a transition year. The homer in me thought Joe was capable of more.

One thing I will say - I love Heupel but he makes some very questionable decisions sometimes. No coach is perfect but his decisions to go for it on 4th down and his short yardage play selection have been terrible this year.

I think his 4th down play selection bugs me more. I'd like to see us try the QB sneak again. He also needs to at least try and draw the defense offsides too

 

[drvenner]

Pure trash analysis. We all know that we got run in the second half by Bama because of Joe.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Highlighted the only thing that matters in the above.
Sabans had 12 or so consecutive top 5 classes.
And you don’t see any help in this class!
That says pretty much all you have to!
We don’t know who all ends up in this class, so you’re pretty much jumping to conclusions on that like most of the other stuff.

Ok. This is exhausting. To quote the great @Chuckie 'just this side a the hi-way' (I) 'aint got time tuh **** wi-youu.'

Seriously, in my mind you've completely danced around my opinion, dismissing the main theme.

Yes, I see upgrades in this class. The class has a good BC rating. But, signing five blue chip OL, ie, who will be freshmen in Y3, iyam is too late. Ill grant the staff went out and found J Campbell. But, relying on portal help as the basis for your OL future and DLine will get you beat in Tuscaloosa, Athens, and Gainesville.

We cannot rely on 5 freshman to take over for 5 OL who are likely gone. Nor can we rely on 5 portal players, you can end up with Campbel, or Keurig.

Its the same for every position.

And, I'm not talking about Saban's classes. I'm using it as a frame to discuss our classes. We've known QB could be an issue, we've known OL is an issue, at tackles, we've known DL could be a deficiency (in terms of talent), we've known we were short at WR.

So yeah, its an issue. Im not sure if staff only targets a certain inside the box type personaliyy, if its NIL, if its negative recruiting. I dont know. There is no cap on the 25. Our number is 83. Perhaps we should widen our net?

This could be a great class, not just a good one.

anyway, go vols.

 

[Devo182]

Lmaoooooooo dont get your hopes up, Heupel has proven, hes gonna be a solid 7-10 win coach, but hes not a championship winner.

3 years in! With the NCAA cloud and restricted spots! Our best classes are either not here yet or only true freshman! Lol!

Those idiot UGA fans shoulda fired Kirby too.

 

[drvenner]

Here is our record through the Third Saturday in October in the post-Fulmer era:

2009: 3-4
2010: 2-5
2011: 3-4
2012: 3-4
2013: 4-4
2014: 3-5
2015: 3-4
2016: 5-2
2017: 3-4
2018: 3-4
2019: 2-5
2020: 2-3
2021: 4-4
2022: 6-0
2023: 5-2

You may be bitter, hungover, pissed, whatever

As a Vols fan, you're not as miserable as you've been

So, we have been at .500 or better 5 times in the last 15 years and Heupel accounts for three of those times (all 3 years he's coached)? Yet, there are still people on here who think they know better who should be starting at QB? Got it.

 

[BigSteve09]

This will be our best weather for a night game at Kentucky since... ever???



Kentucky fans are going to show up thinking it's a trap game for us.

Little do they know...

it's a get-right spot for us to reassert our dominance over the kitties. Then we can come home, put UConn away and see where things stand.