Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Jackcrevol]

He knew...keep your head up Tyler. Its a losing battle.

 

[rikberry31]

Let's get this straight... You believe they'll orchestrate wins for the favorites, it's just no bias against Tennessee? It's just favorable treatment toward the ones that give them the best chance at being playoff teams?

Let's just say that it is in the best interest of people who make a lot of money to preserve matchups. Alabama is a cash cow. They are the largest brand in terms of ratings every year, even when they suck. They create a great amount of interest in viewership and gambling. People who love them will watch, the people who hate them will watch, and many others will watch just because of name recognition. They are not going to let the cash cow go down without a fight.

 

[rikberry31]

Do the basketball officials have something against us too? Need to know if I should be excited for the season

Less of a concern because there is much less money involved. They do have an Alabama thing for Kentucky though.

 

[Rishvol]

I’m sure these guys are even more frustrated than we are getting screwed over like they are. I can’t imagine how they feel.

They're defeated. Even adults knowing they're getting cheat and there's nothing they can do will feel defeated. Their training of never making excuses other than their own faults won't let them admit they were cheated to anyone but those who are close to them and their teammates.

 

[rikberry31]

And they just smoked the plan last year while Bama was still undefeated.

Theories!

Sometimes you lose even when you stack the deck.

 

[rikberry31]

I dispute this.

[TLDR: Everyone who cannot easily and profitably read and comprehend a "long" post, run along while the adults talk. Jack is a smart guy who knows how to read. He even reads entire books.]

The primary "adjustment" was for Bama to hold every down because we were dominating in the first half. That is crookedness and it presupposes that Birmingham's crew would permit them to cheat with impunity. [note**]

One needs to look at the individual plays because one does not yet know that the domination was not almost entirely by the officials before one investigates the matter.

For example, that striking photo of the Bama blocker putting Baron in a violent chokehold from behind -- a danger to player safety -- was because TB had rounded the edge and was going to get the sack. That occurred on Bama's first TD of the second half. The extreme no-call turned a -10 play and possibly a fumble into a rigged Bama TD. 7 points.

Look at the ticky-tack holding called on Jeudy-Lally on a play where after that quick instant, Bama's WR ran his route unimpeded, beating JL to the outside; but the pass was absolutely uncatchable, it was so far out of bounds. That terrible call overturned Bama's necessity to punt. It replaced momentum and a new offensive series (scoring opportunity) for us with another of Bama's TDs iirc. That was a huge event.

Well, maybe Birmingham's crew was just calling a tight game with respect to defensive holding in the secondary (while ignoring Bama's continual holding on the OL), an apologist might suggest. Good point. To know we would need to compare that ticky-tacky call to Bama's previous mugging of our WR (a much more extreme foul and that involved a pass that was catchable) and that stood a flagrant no-call.

This practice was already underway in the first quarter, once we look at the plays. On our second drive, the Bama defender very obviously held our WR in the endzone. This is the kind of thing that some people simply dismissed as an overthrow (which was an illusion created by the uncalled holding). The pass was on the money, Bama held our reciever, and what would have been an automatic first down half nearly at the goal line (if the flagrant foul were called) was turned into a fourth and (8, I believe it was) and a FG. 4 points.

The official was looking directly at Burton who violently kicked a defender after Bama's sole the first half TD: one of the most obvious personal fouls one will see. And yet Birmingham's crew let it go, while looking straight at it. That was not ticky tacky. It endangered player safety in itself, and might well have set off a brawl, a gross endangerment of player safety. That no-call resulted in a huge change in field position: Bama would have had to kick to us from their 20 yard line, and the likelihood of a big runback in that situation is high, in addition.

How can an official consider a personal foul that everyone in the world saw, including the official looking at it, to be ticky tacky; yet decide that the bizarre, obscure "fair catch" call needed urgent attention? Even the people who defend it on technical grounds concede that was ticky tackky.

Anyway, one primary thing is to look at Bama's every OL hold, and calculate the effect of each, based on the difference between -10 and the play result. Rigged officiating to that extreme extend, it appears likely, was a result of our defense being completely uncontrollable by Bama, except by illegal means. In that context, terms like "adjusted" and "dominated" need to be put on ice until one has accessed the true impact of the rigged officiating.
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**As it happens, the officials did the same thing in Bama's game the previous week. After Bama gave up a bevy of sacks in the first half, the officials made the "halftime adjustment" to allow Bama endless holding no-calls, and Bama gave up zero second half sacks, as a result; and Bama's QB had some game-changing throws as a direct result. Sound familiar? But the holding calls in our game were much more spectacular and extreme because our DL is so much better than TAMU's.

Bama's second half adjustment: Press man coverage and hold like he11.

 

[rikberry31]

This officiating debate sucks. Whether it’s true or not, we just sound like whiny bitches complaining about it. No one will believe us. It’s just pointless.

Who cares? It's not like the majority is going to love Tennessee if we just quietly take our screwing.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Our team is known to be physical. We do get egregious fouls called on us.

Baseball is umpired suspiciously as well. We get a smaller zone than LSU in the CWS is the most obvious example.

We’re screwed in the big 3.

But again, we just sound like whiny bitches if we say anything about it

Win, and everyone will start thinking we get the calls. Bama gets calls because of who they are. Same for Georgia. Win and it takes care of everything.

 

[knoxvol52]

Harbaugh to the Chargers next year

He needs to go to NFL...very good coach at that level ...

 

[mr.checkerboards]

This is wild.

 

[Jack Burton]

I dispute this.

[TLDR: Everyone who cannot easily and profitably read and comprehend a "long" post, run along while the adults talk. Jack is a smart guy who knows how to read. He even reads entire books.]

The primary "adjustment" was for Bama to hold every down because we were dominating in the first half. That is crookedness and it presupposes that Birmingham's crew would permit them to cheat with impunity. [note**]

One needs to look at the individual plays because one does not yet know that the domination was not almost entirely by the officials before one investigates the matter.

For example, that striking photo of the Bama blocker putting Baron in a violent chokehold from behind -- a danger to player safety -- was because TB had rounded the edge and was going to get the sack. That occurred on Bama's first TD of the second half. The extreme no-call turned a -10 play and possibly a fumble into a rigged Bama TD. 7 points.

Look at the ticky-tack holding called on Jeudy-Lally on a play where after that quick instant, Bama's WR ran his route unimpeded, beating JL to the outside; but the pass was absolutely uncatchable, it was so far out of bounds. That terrible call overturned Bama's necessity to punt. It replaced momentum and a new offensive series (scoring opportunity) for us with another of Bama's TDs iirc. That was a huge event.

Well, maybe Birmingham's crew was just calling a tight game with respect to defensive holding in the secondary (while ignoring Bama's continual holding on the OL), an apologist might suggest. Good point. To know we would need to compare that ticky-tacky call to Bama's previous mugging of our WR (a much more extreme foul and that involved a pass that was catchable) and that stood a flagrant no-call.

This practice was already underway in the first quarter, once we look at the plays. On our second drive, the Bama defender very obviously held our WR in the endzone. This is the kind of thing that some people simply dismissed as an overthrow (which was an illusion created by the uncalled holding). The pass was on the money, Bama held our reciever, and what would have been an automatic first down half nearly at the goal line (if the flagrant foul were called) was turned into a fourth and (8, I believe it was) and a FG. 4 points.

The official was looking directly at Burton who violently kicked a defender after Bama's sole the first half TD: one of the most obvious personal fouls one will see. And yet Birmingham's crew let it go, while looking straight at it. That was not ticky tacky. It endangered player safety in itself, and might well have set off a brawl, a gross endangerment of player safety. That no-call resulted in a huge change in field position: Bama would have had to kick to us from their 20 yard line, and the likelihood of a big runback in that situation is high, in addition.

How can an official consider a personal foul that everyone in the world saw, including the official looking at it, to be ticky tacky; yet decide that the bizarre, obscure "fair catch" call needed urgent attention? Even the people who defend it on technical grounds concede that was ticky tackky.

Anyway, one primary thing is to look at Bama's every OL hold, and calculate the effect of each, based on the difference between -10 and the play result. Rigged officiating to that extreme extend, it appears likely, was a result of our defense being completely uncontrollable by Bama, except by illegal means. In that context, terms like "adjusted" and "dominated" need to be put on ice until one has accessed the true impact of the rigged officiating.
---

**As it happens, the officials did the same thing in Bama's game the previous week. After Bama gave up a bevy of sacks in the first half, the officials made the "halftime adjustment" to allow Bama endless holding no-calls, and Bama gave up zero second half sacks, as a result; and Bama's QB had some game-changing throws as a direct result. Sound familiar? But the holding calls in our game were much more spectacular and extreme because our DL is so much better than TAMU's.

The only way to overcome biased/bad officiating is to dominate. We have to breakthrough and show that we’re capable of being a playoff team and therefore one of the protected teams. We almost made it last year.

I understand this is a crusade for you. I agree, it sucks, but until Netflix or 60 Minutes does an exposé show about fixed SEC officiating no one will care outside of us. It’s just conspiracy theories to everyone else.

Yesterday a guy called into Basilio and said he has a buddy who works on the chain gang at UGA games. He said T hat schools typically employ locals to work this crew. I’m paraphrasing here but he said something like, “How often do you see the chain come out anymore? It’s rare.” The UGA guy said they haven’t used the chains to measure at Sanford since 2018. That it’s essentially eyeballed from the sidelines and if it’s close for UGA then it’s a first down. If it’s close for the visiting team then it’s “short”. We saw some of that at Alabama on Saturday. It’s not a fairly judged sport and hasn’t been for years. It just seems worse now that we actually have a chance to win these games.

 

[ugg]

Manning losing Heisman. Fact, not opinion.

ESPN outing Fulmer as the whistle-blower. Fact, not opinion.

ESPN (same reporter that outed Fulmer) leading the charge in 1999 about player's grades, academics, tutors, and violations...while almost crickets about FSU, North Carolina and others. Fact, not opinion.

Not only drug through the mud, but drown in it, because we said no to Greg Schiano. Fact, not opinion.

Changing rules in baseball about celebrations because of 2022 Vols, even though celebrations had been going on before. Fact, not opinion.

Dylan Crews and Sonny DiChiara sharing SEC POTY in 2022. Fact, not opinion. While both were absolutely great, no one with a straight face can say Drew Gilbert wasn't the POTY...or, Trey Lipscomb. While that is an opinion, it's still FACT as FACT gets, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

Only 2 player's off the 2022 baseball team made first team all conference. Fact, not opinion.

ESPN broadcaster, on live television, accuses Evan Russell of being on drugs. Fact, not opinion.

Same broadcaster, same broadcast, says our ENTIRE team will submit to a drug test. Fact, not opinion.

Maui Ahuna held out of the first games last year. Fact, not opinion.

After Ole Miss game, the media, conference, and college football as a whole absolutely skull-drug us for throwing trash on the field, while crickets about everyone else doing it. Fact, not opinion.

Hendon Hooker not being invited as a finalist for Heisman. Fact, not opinion.

Whenever I Googled "Tennessee football" this past week, the first three stories that popped up were stories from Alabama publications about Bama football. Fact, not opinion.

Officials absolutely ***** us this past Saturday. Fact, not opinion.

I could go on...

Now, I'm not trying to prove anything, anything at all, I only listed facts. And, as I said, I could go on and on and on for awhile, throughout 30+ years. Im not going to get into a back and forth about it...just showing that, no, it's not all "just opinions".

Manning losing Heisman. Fact, not opinion.

ESPN outing Fulmer as the whistle-blower. Fact, not opinion.

ESPN (same reporter that outed Fulmer) leading the charge in 1999 about player's grades, academics, tutors, and violations...while almost crickets about FSU, North Carolina and others. Fact, not opinion.

Not only drug through the mud, but drown in it, because we said no to Greg Schiano. Fact, not opinion.

Changing rules in baseball about celebrations because of 2022 Vols, even though celebrations had been going on before. Fact, not opinion.

Dylan Crews and Sonny DiChiara sharing SEC POTY in 2022. Fact, not opinion. While both were absolutely great, no one with a straight face can say Drew Gilbert wasn't the POTY...or, Trey Lipscomb. While that is an opinion, it's still FACT as FACT gets, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

Only 2 player's off the 2022 baseball team made first team all conference. Fact, not opinion.

ESPN broadcaster, on live television, accuses Evan Russell of being on drugs. Fact, not opinion.

Same broadcaster, same broadcast, says our ENTIRE team will submit to a drug test. Fact, not opinion.

Maui Ahuna held out of the first games last year. Fact, not opinion.

After Ole Miss game, the media, conference, and college football as a whole absolutely skull-drug us for throwing trash on the field, while crickets about everyone else doing it. Fact, not opinion.

Hendon Hooker not being invited as a finalist for Heisman. Fact, not opinion.

Whenever I Googled "Tennessee football" this past week, the first three stories that popped up were stories from Alabama publications about Bama football. Fact, not opinion.

Officials absolutely ***** us this past Saturday. Fact, not opinion.

I could go on...

Now, I'm not trying to prove anything, anything at all, I only listed facts. And, as I said, I could go on and on and on for awhile, throughout 30+ years. Im not going to get into a back and forth about it...just showing that, no, it's not all "just opinions".

Who was it that referred to Shiano Sunday as a "Tennessee trailer park frenzy"?

 

[UT = Checkmate]

Ok guys snap and clear time. The outcome won’t change, onward to Kentucky.

 

[Jimmy Football]

The only way to overcome biased/bad officiating is to dominate. We have to breakthrough and show that we’re capable of being a playoff team and therefore one of the protected teams. We almost made it last year.

I understand this is a crusade for you. I agree, it sucks, but until Netflix or 60 Minutes does an exposé show about fixed SEC officiating no one will care outside of us. It’s just conspiracy theories to everyone else.

Yesterday a guy called into Basilio and said he has a buddy who works on the chain gang at UGA games. He said T hat schools typically employ locals to work this crew. I’m paraphrasing here but he said something like, “How often do you see the chain come out anymore? It’s rare.” The UGA guy said they haven’t used the chains to measure at Sanford since 2018. That it’s essentially eyeballed from the sidelines and if it’s close for UGA then it’s a first down. If it’s close for the visiting team then it’s “short”. We saw some of that at Alabama on Saturday. It’s not a fairly judged sport and hasn’t been for years. It just seems worse now that we actually have a chance to win these games.

I’ll be interested to see the reaction the first time this happens to Texas. And it will happen.

That’s a program that’s used to being treated like royalty. I’m guessing they won’t go along to get along like so many in this conference have done. Should be entertaining, at the very least.

 

[rikberry31]

It's pretty damn ****** of Vegas to control the games AND hit me with - 110 vig.

It's also kind of curious how they always aim for a 50/50 split against the spread. Feels like a waste when they already know the outcome.

Or... Or... Vegas has no problem making money hand over fist without controlling the games and has no interest maintaining a conspiracy that involves thousands of independent actors.

Nah, that can't be it.

This is not how the inside baseball of gambling works. The book doesn't absolutely fix games, they play the odds and try to put the odds in their favor by stacking the deck. The book makes operating money off of balancing the action and collecting the juice, that is true. They also look for money games that they can put all the chips on one side and stack the deck. Sometimes they lose but most of the time they don't. They collected a lot of Tennessee and over money Saturday.

 

[knoxvol52]

Who was it that referred to Shiano Sunday as a "Tennessee trailer park frenzy"?

Would that have been Chris Fowler???

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I cannot believe that after that screwing we got Saturday that people still believe that it's on the up and up.

Still hard to believe that some fans actually believe that there is this huge conspiracy theory about Bama and refs and that’s the only reason we lost.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Still hard to believe that some fans actually believe that there is this huge conspiracy theory about Bama and refs and that’s the only reason we lost.

is it?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I’ll be interested to see the reaction the first time this happens to Texas. And it will happen.

That’s a program that’s used to being treated like royalty. I’m guessing they won’t go along to get along like so many in this conference have done. Should be entertaining, at the very least.

I asked that question the other day. I don't think TX and OU are going to like how they get treated very well. They won't be top of the food chain here.

 

[Billy Antrim]

Let's get this straight... You believe they'll orchestrate wins for the favorites, it's just no bias against Tennessee? It's just favorable treatment toward the ones that give them the best chance at being playoff teams?

I believe it's all about the money - getting one or two teams into the playoffs. Apparently $$$ generated by LSU in 2019 and Auburn in 2010 spend just as well as GA and Bama $$$ in other years.

I think Tennessee will be treated fairly when we don't crap the bed vs. lesser teams - SCjr last year and UF this year.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Still hard to believe that some fans actually believe that there is this huge conspiracy theory about Bama and refs and that’s the only reason we lost.

Honest question: having watched the game and knowing that Bama’s one penalty for 5 yards was not an accurate reflection how that contest played out, what do you think was responsible for the disparity?

Not a trick question or a trap. Just curious.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I asked that question the other day. I don't think TX and OU are going to like how they get treated very well. They won't be top of the food chain here.

I don’t think they will either. And part of me hopes they’ll be mad enough about it to join some of the other petty Barons in this conference to force King Greg to sign the Magna Carta and finally get some changes to the way business has been handled by the Birmingham Mafia all these years.

 

[UTfan94]

The kids work to hard to have the games be rigged. SEC has no integrity, and I'm starting to realize it's a joke of a conference.

 

[BigOrange15]

Seems like we got pretty even calls in the Bama game last year, Im sure us actually being a contender was just a coincidence tho.

 

[Smokey123]

A few people were saying the same thing in the game thread that it was tipped. There’s a difference between holding and PI

It’s frustrating because we could have won with bad officiating. But you can’t overcome bad officiating and poor execution and playcalling