Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Orange.]

Everybody keeps saying Bama isn’t that good. Meanwhile they’re 7-1 (5-0) and will play in ATL for a what will likely be a chance to make CFP. And that FL sucks while they’re 5-2 (3-1) and we lost on the road in a hostile environment to them.

Do y’all watch other college football besides the SEC? Michigan looks like the only dominant team and some of that is from cheating lol.

The officials rescued Bama from TAMU also, but in much less spectacular and extreme fashion. Because the TAMU-level rigging in the our first half was insufficient.

Bama's OL committed a bevy of holding penalties in the first half at TAMU and TAMU got a lot of sacks. The officials made a half time adjustment, and Bama's OL held with impunity the entire second half. Game changer. I saw that game. Suddenly Milroe made throws. Sound familiar?

In addition to holding no-calls throughout our game, at least twice Bama mugged open receivers in the end zone in our game. To speak of only one other example that, like the their OL holding, directly led to Bama scores or subtracting TDs from us.

Bama should by rights be 5-3 (3-2).

 

[Go Fight Win]

Meh refs screwed us but we didn’t score a single point in the 2nd half…..

I think they just called a terrible game. Plain and simple. Do you really think last years Bama team really committed 17 penalties for 130 yards and we only committed 6 for 39? Bad games happen. Did the refs miss? Oh yes. But are you part of the tinfoil hat wearers?

Think about it. So if you agree with the tinfoil hat wearers that there is this Bama/ref cabal against TN, then why did we have such a dominant first half? Why was Milton lighting Bamas defense up? So was this the plan? Did the refs meet with Saban and lay this out? Listen Nick, against TN we are gonna let TN pretty much dominate you in the first half. We are gonna let them build up a 20-7 lead and then in the second half we will start calling for you?

Is this what you think? Serious question.

These people are not serious. They say we are tin foil conspiracy theorists but they choose to take the information that suits them and invalidate everything else. They really want it to be about how OUR coaches suck and how OUR players suck. Why? I don't know, maybe they've spent the past 20 years getting bent over and they actually... like it? Stockholm syndrome? I dunno. It's sad.

I'm not sure why, after watching the entire football game, you can say the refs weren't actively trying to screw us over from the very beginning. If not for excellent play by Joe Milton and his receivers in the first half, you would have also noticed that EVEN ON THOSE SCORING PLAYS, our OL/WR were dealing with hands to the face, defensive holding, DPI, ETC. Go watch the replay! If this game is even remotely officiated evenly (60/40, hell 70/30!) we win the game. No doubt in my mind. When you have to get 11 sometimes 12 yards to get a first down w/o penalties, or 20 yards to get a first down with (phantom) penalties you cannot get into a rhythm. You cannot call a series of plays like we do (4/5 plays at a time), with those restrictions. Refs knew what they were doing. Fix was in.

CFB is a money game, has been for awhile, and will be forever until something is done. WE have the power to fix things, whether you want to believe that or not. The money starts and ends with the people paying to see the games. I don't suggest a boycott, but I think active pursuit of legal options (player safety namely, potentially in the form of a class action suit) could create the necessary framework to introduce professional refereeing with metrics of performance determined by post game analysis. Remove the human error by penalizing it professionally ($$$, loss of work, like any other industry) and you improve the quality of the decision making.

 

[BigSteve09]

I'm really excited for our next three games

I think Joe and the RBs can hit their stride, I think the WR's can get their confidence back going against UK and UConn DBs

I think the DL is going to EAT coming off of having to up their game vs A&M and Bama

Confidence booster vs UK on the road, get our feet back under us. Put UConn away at home and let the young guys get some reps. Go into Mizzou rested, healthier, and ready to wreck.

I just like the way the next three games are lined up

 

[BigSteve09]

These people are not serious. They say we are tin foil conspiracy theorists but they choose to take the information that suits them and invalidate everything else. They really want it to be about how OUR coaches suck and how OUR players suck. Why? I don't know, maybe they've spent the past 20 years getting bent over and they actually... like it? Stockholm syndrome? I dunno. It's sad.

I'm not sure why, after watching the entire football game, you can say the refs weren't actively trying to screw us over from the very beginning. If not for excellent play by Joe Milton and his receivers in the first half, you would have also noticed that EVEN ON THOSE SCORING PLAYS, our OL/WR were dealing with hands to the face, defensive holding, DPI, ETC. Go watch the replay! If this game is even remotely officiated evenly (60/40, hell 70/30!) we win the game. No doubt in my mind. When you have to get 11 sometimes 12 yards to get a first down w/o penalties, or 20 yards to get a first down with (phantom) penalties you cannot get into a rhythm. You cannot call a series of plays like we do (4/5 plays at a time), with those restrictions. Refs knew what they were doing. Fix was in.

CFB is a money game, has been for awhile, and will be forever until something is done. WE have the power to fix things, whether you want to believe that or not. The money starts and ends with the people paying to see the games. I don't suggest a boycott, but I think active pursuit of legal options (player safety namely, potentially in the form of a class action suit) could create the necessary framework to introduce professional refereeing with metrics of performance determined by post game analysis. Remove the human error by penalizing it professionally ($$$, loss of work, like any other industry) and you improve the quality of the decision making.

The officiating absolutely called the game in Bama's favor. We can debate the why or how of it for forever, but there is no debating that the refs chose not to call a multitude of penalties that were committed by Alabama.

When they don't call things like defensive holding or DPI, they are reinforcing those behaviors. Even calling those ONCE can change things offensively.

We're not even going to get into what their OL was allowed to get away with.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Perhaps coincidence is in play with the officiating. Alabama averaging 9 penalties a game. This game they get one “penalty” for snap infraction that actually prevents a loose ball in the backfield. After being down at the half Bama scores a touchdown while Baron is choked rushing the passer. Ensuing kickoff the weirdest “fair catch” penalty is called moving the ball to the 4 yard line. A lot of coincidences.

Again so the plan was for us to dominate the first half?

 

[MarcoVol]

The officials rescued Bama from TAMU also, but in much less spectacular and extreme fashion. Because the TAMU-level rigging in the our first half was insufficient.

Bama's OL committed a bevy of holding penalties in the first half at TAMU and TAMU got a lot of sacks. The officials made a half time adjustment, and Bama's OL held with impunity the entire second half. Game changer. I saw that game.

In addition to holding no-calls throughout our game, at least twice Bama mugged open receivers in the end zone in our game. To speak of only one example that, like the their OL holding, directly led to Bama scores or subtracting TDs from us. Bama should by rights be 5-3 (3-2).

But they’re 7-1. And that’s all that matters.

 

[Jack Burton]

If the refs were right all the time then we likely lose vs Alabama last year. Chase McGrath moves just enough here pre-snap that a flag could have been thrown for false start, but it was ignored/missed and we benefited.

 

[Orange.]

Handsome pup!!

Good correction. I thought that was our esteemed MrMet.

 

[Go Fight Win]

he absolutely does not that is ridiculous JB

 

[Orange.]

But they’re 7-1. And that’s all that matters.

That's why no one is going to let go of the rigged officiating. It should be a national story in sports.

 

[SpringBokVol]

If the refs were right all the time then we likely lose vs Alabama last year. Chase McGrath moves just enough here pre-snap that a flag could have been thrown for false start, but it was ignored/missed and we benefited.

I actually thought they were going to call a false start. He def started a split second early and it def threw off his timing.

 

[VolGee4]

Why would anyone attempt to return a kickoff in today's game in the first place? I can't remember anyone who has even making it back to the 25 yard line. I'm not saying it wasn't a BS call. I'm just curious why someone would is all.

He received it at the 4. It's not like he returned it from the endzone. If that is Dee Williams (and I am fine with Seldon, too), you definitely take that chance. You don't get many of them.

 

[Orange.]

If the refs were right all the time then we likely lose vs Alabama last year. Chase McGrath moves just enough here pre-snap that a flag could have been thrown for false start, but it was ignored/missed and we benefited.

False. You need to subtact Bama's TD when their WR very obviously (and indisputably on a close second look) pulled our DB down by the back of his jersey and the officials called defensive PI. And the review crew upheld the terrible call. If you want to give them a FG there, that is still 4 points.

Also have you likewise gone through the entire game to see any missed or possibly missed calls the other way? And what accounts for your need to introduce your thesis, since it amounts to a de facto defense of the officiating in this year's game. Weird flex, Jack, after I just bragged on you last night.

 

[BigSteve09]

That's why no one is going to let go of the rigged officiating. It should be a national story in sports.

I agree, but who would report on it? The big media companies are not going to cut their feet out from under them. It would cause us to have to unpack every single league across the board.

The officiating is there to call a COMPETITIVE game, not a FAIR game.

It is obvious that the crew is instructed the week of, or possibly day of, to call a game a certain way. This is based on team/coaching tendencies and what will give one of the teams more of an advantage.

There is more revenue on the line for the conference now than ever before. It has to be entertaining, it has to produce storylines.

There is more data available for the conference than ever before. There is data available for what outcomes will produce the highest % chance for 1-2 league teams to make the playoffs (increase payouts), there is more data available for what matchups/results will produce the highest ratings, which will influence current/future media deals (increase payouts).

The league needs more teams on bigger stages to increase payouts.

The league needs more eyes on the big games to gain leverage in TV contract negotiations.

They would have enough of both of those if they left everything alone, but they can maximize revenue if they meddle, and they can't help themselves.

This is not exclusive to the SEC, or to college football. There is a pro wrestling aspect to most of the major sports now.

They also choose to retain/maintain highly subjective rules and penalties, even though they have the technology to make officiating sharper, because subjectivity/grey area allows for influence.

They don't make the refs accountable for anything either, for several reasons. But one of the indirect benefits to the powers that be is that the refs will never have to explain why one team got all the calls, why one player was allowed to play outside of the rules, or why they did/didn't make a pivotal game-changing call. If they had to account for these things, they may slip up and say that the league was keen to call more/less of something for a certain team(s), which I think we all know is happening.

 

[Orange.]

Also, @Jack Burton, you ever realize that at that spot McGrath is standing in Crawford's vomit? Compare the plays and mark the spots.

 

[Aesius]

Also, @Jack Burton, you ever realize that at that spot McGrath is standing in Crawford's vomit? Compare the plays and mark the spots.

Chase slipping in his own teammate's vomit on a potential game-winning kick vs Bama would have been the most Tennessee thing ever.

 

[orange parmejohn]

Chase slipping in his own teammate's vomit on a potential game-winning kick vs Bama would have been the most Tennessee thing ever.

 

[BigSteve09]

JG had an NFL RB, 3 NFL WR, 2 NFL OL, 1 NFL DL, and 3 NFL DB on that team. The coaching was god awful, but they didn't make him throw 2 pick-6's against Kentucky either.

JG had the easier 4-game schedule in non-hostile environments
He had 722 total yards, 7 total TD, and 6 total turnovers

Milton has 1,000 total yards, 6 total TD, and 5 total turnovers

with only 4 games to account for these numbers, Joe is having the better season. I expect the trend to continue and Joe to have a much better season than JG.

@matt_mccoy19 after rewatching the offensive possessions, I will say that Milton is prone to hero ball like JG was.

There were a couple of key short-yardage plays where Joe decided he was going to do it himself, and it was the wrong decision. Also the interception last week vs A&M was the kind of thing JG would do after a good play.

 

[Orange.]

I posted a few weeks ago that we should bring it back this year and make a big deal of it. Just call it "the battle for the barrel," lest the whole dui death issue be raised as an objection. Who cares. MADD et. al. also need to move to end parades in Athens.

 

[MemphisVol3]

The officials rescued Bama from TAMU also, but in much less spectacular and extreme fashion. Because the TAMU-level rigging in the our first half was insufficient.

Bama's OL committed a bevy of holding penalties in the first half at TAMU and TAMU got a lot of sacks. The officials made a half time adjustment, and Bama's OL held with impunity the entire second half. Game changer. I saw that game. Suddenly Milroe made throws. Sound familiar?

In addition to holding no-calls throughout our game, at least twice Bama mugged open receivers in the end zone in our game. To speak of only one other example that, like the their OL holding, directly led to Bama scores or subtracting TDs from us.

Bama should by rights be 5-3 (3-2).

If Bama would have beaten Texas, officiating likely would have been more fair in their game with A&M or us. SEC and Sankey doesn't want the top team in the west having too many losses to miss the playoff before the SEC championship game.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

@matt_mccoy19 after rewatching the offensive possessions, I will say that Milton is prone to hero ball like JG was.

There were a couple of key short-yardage plays where Joe decided he was going to do it himself, and it was the wrong decision. Also the interception last week vs A&M was the kind of thing JG would do after a good play.

Lol JG would throw it into triple coverage all game long.

 

[Jack Burton]

False. You need to subtact Bama's TD when their WR very obviously (and indisputably on a close second look) pulled our DB down by the back of his jersey and the officials called defensive PI. And the review crew upheld the terrible call. If you want to give them a FG there, that is still 4 points.

Also have you likewise gone through the entire game to see any missed or possibly missed calls the other way? And what accounts for your need to introduce your thesis, since it amounts to a de facto defense of the officiating in this year's game. Weird flex, Jack, after I just bragged on you last night.

It’s not a weird flex, it’s facts. Just look at the penalty disparity last year. They were almost 3x in penalties and yards. It can go both ways and we benefited last year. You are going to drive yourself to insanity breaking down every play of these games expecting change.

In the gospel of SEC football bad/biased officiating is canon.

 

[Ashevolle]

So we don’t have a shot at uga? Let’s just forfeit and stay healthy for the music city bowl then.

We're all just waiting for you to forfeit

 

[BigSteve09]

Lol JG would throw it into triple coverage all game long.

yeah, back to my original conversation with that poster, I think that Joe is a much better overall QB and would not compare his game to JG in any other facet

 

[MemphisVol3]

It’s not a weird flex, it’s facts. Just look at the penalty disparity last year. They were almost 3x in penalties and yards. It can go both ways and we benefited last year. You are going to drive yourself to insanity breaking down every play of these games expecting change.

In the gospel of SEC football bad/biased officiating is canon.

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Bama actually was committing those penalties and they were only getting called because both of us were still in the Playoff conversation and unbeaten.