Recruiting Football Talk VII

[UT = Checkmate]

Doesn’t shock me that South Carolina fans are picking up some of this info. A lot of media rumors float around during Super Bowl week.

And they have lots of connections to the big 10 in South Carolina. Being a Midwest state has its perks….

 

[TheRain]

Don’t doubt this at all. Michigan is about to go down. Urban’s biggest foe would be Ohio St. and Penn St.

Didn't State just fire a coach over inappropriate behavior with a woman?

 

[swchandler1988]

If that's not shopped, that's not the kind of muscle you want to see on a player. He's like a body builder about to pop. Players need that thin layer of fat over muscle. That fat is an energy and stamina source as well as protective.

It’s funny to me that some UGA twitter page thought that was one of their players

 

[Chuckie]

My parents let me watch that when I was around 8. Scarred for years.

Late on commenting since I've been in meetings all day, but same for me on this one. Watched it at about that same age and...not good.

Also watched Amityville Horror at about that same age and it f'd with me for a while.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Welp...no more "Let's go Krogering" jokes for us....this is pathetic..

 

[Glitch]

Welp...no more "Let's go Krogering" jokes for us....this is pathetic..

Food City >>>>>>>>>>>> Kroger

 

[Ten_Titans]

Agree to disagree. If you can't or won't see that something has been going on all year with calls and no calls in our games, there's no point in discussing it. It's been so over-the-top that even the AP game (!) was called in a manner that would never happen to another SEC team at home against a non-conference scrub. Some of it endangered player safety.

Plenty of statistical evidence has been posted from others, primarily focused on the near absence of non-pre-snap calls against our opponents. But you should at least admit that no statistics are collected on no-calls per se; one is required to spot them for one's self watching and rewatching broadcasts. That is what I have done. There's nothing wrong with it.

I would ask you to concede that one doesn't have to have a precise account of the "backstory" in order to assess the actual calls and no-calls in the actual games as extremely one-sided and a clear pattern to obtain. Deriding a particular backstory, or a comically exaggerated parody of a backstory, is not a counterargument. The facts of the calls and no-callls and their one-sided distribution are plainly demonstrable. Nothing with respect to the events themselves hinges on whatever backstory seems most likely to any one observer. I only insist that the pattern and persistence of the unidirectional bad calls and no-calls excludes "incompetence" as a reasonable account because accidents would have a more even-handed distribution.

But you do you and I'll be me. We don't have to agree.

Look... There's nothing in my sleeve. I went to the Kentucky forum. I looked for a thread on this play (knew there would be one), and posted the comments. 5 minutes.

That was NOT a catch

Effin BS

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

The Good Ole Boys were not even going to review it until Stoops almost had a coronary.

Those F’ers cheat us every F’in yr!

Pretty easy… UT football makes a lot more money than UK football, hence SEC officials will make calls that lean a certain direction when the two meet.

Wasn’t close but don‘t forget the spread is 3 1/2. They have to make sure they cover.

That was a league call. SEC official at the monitor for 5min+ waiting for word from SEC office what to call. Completely controlling the outcome of the game.

Now. This is not an anomoly. You could find these comments for every close win we've had since the internet existed.

So the question is, how are you right and ALL the teams we've ever beaten that say the same stuff you do... They are wrong.

Now imagine you weren't a CFB fanatic. And you saw two fan bases make identical comments like this. And you look, and they are generally right about the calls they are complaining about. You'd probably come to the conclusion that the games aren't fixed, and the refs miss a crazy number of routine calls. That's my conclusion.

I'd love to say I'm the most logical and rational person out there. I'm not. But between the two of us, I'm the only one even making an attempt to disassociate with the orange tinted goggles for the purpose of looking at the bad reffing. And I know that's the case, because we have real estate agents and landscapers out there missing a dozen calls a game in our favor, and you NEVER feel the need to point out those particular countervailing examples.

 

[TheRain]

Welp...no more "Let's go Krogering" jokes for us....this is pathetic..

"Where the Vols go to Eat!" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[drvenner]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Birmingham officials start calling some penalties on Bama in cleanup time, if they can ever finally get the chance.*

It's a standard way for the Birmingham Alabama office to give the reality-deniers and trolls a few fake straws to grasp at. As everyone capable knows: excluding context is central troll and reality-denier "go to."

* They clearly didn't ever feel like our game was out of reach. (Nor was the second half at FL.)

They do the same thing with Kentucky in basketball to even up the foul calls after the game is decided.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Welp...no more "Let's go Krogering" jokes for us....this is pathetic..

Neyland isn’t sponsored and even Rupp Arena is the “Central Bank Center” now officially lol

 

[Shades]

Thoughts about Colorado's recruiting for 2024?

Prime said "We comin' ", but the recruiting ain't coming yet.

They need a massive upgrade in the offensive line.

#67 in the nation. 10 commits. Three 4*, six 3*.
Is one spot below Colorado St, ranked #66 with 17 recruits.

Is it a severe lack of NIL money due to being an insignificant program for the past 30 years since McCartney left as HC?

A flaw in the philosophy of wholesale roster turnover with the portal?

Deion's lack of recruiting base and recruiting relationships (and lack of ability to sell the vision)?

Over-emphasis on skill players and not trench players scaring away recruits?

Recruits seeing through the smoke and mirrors?

 

[Christian Lowe]

Thoughts about Colorado's recruiting for 2024?

Prime said "We comin' ", but the recruiting ain't coming yet.

They need a massive upgrade in the offensive line.

#67 in the nation. 10 commits. Three 4*, six 3*.
Is one spot below Colorado St, ranked #66 with 17 recruits.

Is it a severe lack of NIL money due to being an insignificant program for the past 30 years since McCartney left as HC?

A flaw in the philosophy of wholesale roster turnover with the portal?

Deion's lack of recruiting base and recruiting relationships (and lack of ability to sell the vision)?

Over-emphasis on skill players and not trench players scaring away recruits?

Recruits seeing through the smoke and mirrors?

It’s probably the fact he just threw his entire OL under the bus and said replacing them was a picture he would paint perfectly lmao

 

[MarcoVol]

Thoughts about Colorado's recruiting for 2024?

Prime said "We comin' ", but the recruiting ain't coming yet.

They need a massive upgrade in the offensive line.

#67 in the nation. 10 commits. Three 4*, six 3*.
Is one spot below Colorado St, ranked #66 with 17 recruits.

Is it a severe lack of NIL money due to being an insignificant program for the past 30 years since McCartney left as HC?

A flaw in the philosophy of wholesale roster turnover with the portal?

Deion's lack of recruiting base and recruiting relationships (and lack of ability to sell the vision)?

Over-emphasis on skill players and not trench players scaring away recruits?

Recruits seeing through the smoke and mirrors?

Colorado is gonna be a portal school

 

[Revived2002]

Don’t give Dabo Swinney anymore ammunition!

 

[Devo182]

During the interview with the head of the playoff committee...Rece Davis asked about the allegations against Michigan is it a factor ...the guy says NO...NCAA problem he said not theirs...lol isn't CFP part of NCAA....also I guarantee you if was Tennessee under investigation..it would definitely be a factor...I been one to shrug the officials conversation off...and just go with it...but this NON FACTOR bs about Michigan is asinine....end rant ...GO VOLS....

Interestingly

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Being used for warfare right now in Ukraine and the Middle East

I know that...but the way they are used right now is not what I'm talking about...read it again.

 

[Devo182]

I’ll give them credit for beating UK and USCE, but they are going to get dragged this week.

Likely, but I really hope they pour everything they have into a quadruple OT win over UGA.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Not an SEC game. Out of Birmingham's jurisdiction.

 

[Devo182]

Thoughts about Colorado's recruiting for 2024?

Prime said "We comin' ", but the recruiting ain't coming yet.

They need a massive upgrade in the offensive line.

#67 in the nation. 10 commits. Three 4*, six 3*.
Is one spot below Colorado St, ranked #66 with 17 recruits.

Is it a severe lack of NIL money due to being an insignificant program for the past 30 years since McCartney left as HC?

A flaw in the philosophy of wholesale roster turnover with the portal?

Deion's lack of recruiting base and recruiting relationships (and lack of ability to sell the vision)?

Over-emphasis on skill players and not trench players scaring away recruits?

Recruits seeing through the smoke and mirrors?

Nice BCR so far. Small class, but probably shooting for a lot more transfers too. Seems to be going more for quality. That's as many blue chips as Colorado recruited the 3 classes prior to his arrival...combined.

Finished with the #21 class last year.

As with any class, I'll wait till NSD and even the end of the portal opening to say much more. Steady gains after taking over a ONE win team lol.

 

[rjd970]

So zero seasons (other than Heup's last year) through 8 games better than this year.

But why stop at 15 years? Include post-national-championship Fulmer. I count only 3 of 10 years with a better record than this year after 8 games.

2008: 3-5
2007: 5-3
2006: 7-1
2005: 3-5
2004: 7-1
2003: 6-2
2002: 5-3
2001: 6-1
2000: 5-3
1999: 7-1

FF mental dwarfs and even some few here who disrespect what Heup is accomplishing is astonishing.

Exactly, if CJH continues on this trajectory we are in good shape. If you look at the post NC seasons, it is a steady decline into the abyss of the 2010's, and now it is a steady improvement year over year. It's almost as if the 90's-2000's is happening in reverse.

The only holdback might be recruiting. I am NOT criticizing Heupel's recruiting, but I bet if you look back at some of those 90's UT classes they would look similar to UGA and Bama today. If we can get back to that level then the sky is the limit and we should be in dynasty territory.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Look... There's nothing in my sleeve. I went to the Kentucky forum. I looked for a thread on this play (knew there would be one), and posted the comments. 5 minutes.

That was NOT a catch

Effin BS

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

Now. This is not an anomoly. You could find these comments for every close win we've had since the internet existed.

So the question is, how are you right and ALL the teams we've ever beaten that say the same stuff you do... They are wrong.

Now imagine you weren't a CFB fanatic. And you saw two fan bases make identical comments like this. And you look, and they are generally right about the calls they are complaining about. You'd probably come to the conclusion that the games aren't fixed, and the refs miss a crazy number of routine calls. That's my conclusion.

I'd love to say I'm the most logical and rational person out there. I'm not. But between the two of us, I'm the only one even making an attempt to disassociate with the orange tinted goggles for the purpose of looking at the bad reffing. And I know that's the case, because we have real estate agents and landscapers out there missing a dozen calls a game in our favor, and you NEVER feel the need to point out those particular countervailing examples.

You are wasting your time. @Orange. is convinced of this super cabal that’s out to stop us at all cost. He thinks Bama owns the refs and therefore dictates games. He has been dreading nothing but QAnon level BS since Bama. He needs help.

 

[Brillovol]

Fact checkers….Noah’s Ark…..you can not be serious

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Colorado is gonna be a portal school

Taking the Kiffin approach?

 

[Shades]

Colorado is gonna be a portal school

True for Deion's first year. We will see how it plays out for his second year.
We will know soon enough, later this winter during the first portal window and then again in the spring window.

Still wondering how many high-talent recruits will transfer without a good NIL package (assuming that's true) available at Colorado.

 

[rjd970]

Look... There's nothing in my sleeve. I went to the Kentucky forum. I looked for a thread on this play (knew there would be one), and posted the comments. 5 minutes.

That was NOT a catch

Effin BS

kentucky.forums.rivals.com

Now. This is not an anomoly. You could find these comments for every close win we've had since the internet existed.

So the question is, how are you right and ALL the teams we've ever beaten that say the same stuff you do... They are wrong.

Now imagine you weren't a CFB fanatic. And you saw two fan bases make identical comments like this. And you look, and they are generally right about the calls they are complaining about. You'd probably come to the conclusion that the games aren't fixed, and the refs miss a crazy number of routine calls. That's my conclusion.

I'd love to say I'm the most logical and rational person out there. I'm not. But between the two of us, I'm the only one even making an attempt to disassociate with the orange tinted goggles for the purpose of looking at the bad reffing. And I know that's the case, because we have real estate agents and landscapers out there missing a dozen calls a game in our favor, and you NEVER feel the need to point out those particular countervailing examples.

I get it, but if you look back at the Bama and KY boards they are chiefly complaining about specific calls (mainly the punch to the helmet with Bama, and the catch with KY). I, and most others, can at least see the argument on those calls. I for one didn't agree it was a catch in the KY game and understand the frustration with KY fans. Great, now take the game as a whole and tell me there wasn't a single live ball penalty committed by KY the entire game.

We moan about specific plays as well, but we have statistical and consistent patterns that are a problem and the chief complaint, not just isolated plays. The lack of live ball penalties in conference play is absolutely mind-boggling, going all the way back to UF, especially considering the penalty records of those teams coming into the game and since. All fan bases will pick specific plays and put forth conspiracy theories...but we are unique in that it is a pattern almost every game of blatant in front of the official penalties that are consistently and egregiously not getting called.

I don't think there is a conspiracy against UT, but it is an objective mathematical fact that something is amiss.