Recruiting Football Talk VII

[mrMet]

It's all relative to your bankroll which he says in the post. If you are following units, a parlay is typically a unit to a half unit, so let's you have 100 if you're doing 2: of your BR, it's a $2 bet. So you have $98 left, so the parlay gets to cashing out for $30 or hedging for 50 to profit 40, why not profit 40?

Yes in theory that’s great, but everybody knows people aren’t putting 1/2 to 1 unit on a parlay if their bankroll is that small. Even the guy doing $150 parlay bet like that, I’d bet that’s not a unit nor half unit. He was feeling ballsy and over leveraged. That’s how 99% of people betting parlays like that do

 

[knoxvol52]

Tennessee 21
Georgia 17


I got to believe at least for the Georgia game.....the defense shows up...Go Vols...

 

[05_never_again]

Never did think that was the best decision. Honor those taken, but let the other kids carry on. Just don't understand it.

The season was cancelled in all likelihood because there's way more to the story. The coach's statement when he resigned was also odd.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Yes in theory that’s great, but everybody knows people aren’t putting 1/2 to 1 unit on a parlay if their bankroll is that small. Even the guy doing $150 parlay bet like that, I’d bet that’s not a unit nor half unit. He was feeling ballsy and over leveraged. That’s how 99% of people betting parlays like that do

I can't speak for others, I just know from whom I've learned, and most professional bettors I have come across that's what they do.

If you're playing way above your bankroll, odds are you'll be depositing several times over long before you get that 8k hit.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I mean objectively speaking you're wrong on both accounts BUT I'm not sure what your personal definition of "defense being better" is either. It's the best defense Banks has fielded, statistically in his tenure here.

2023: 20.2 ppg, 340.6 total yards allowed, 66% passing, 227.5 yards per game, 113.1 rushing, 1.4 turnovers a game
2022: 22.8 ppg, 405.3 total yards allowed, 62.6% passing, 289.5 yards per game, 115.8 rushing, 1.6 turnovers a game
2021: 23.1 ppg, 421.7 total yards allowed, 61.2% passing, 273.2 yards per game, 148.5 rushing, 1.2 turnovers a game

As for Joe, we've gotten the best version of Joe possible I think...so he took the step BUT I don't think the best version of Joe Milton is the best option for this system mainly because I think our style of play calling has changed to cater to Joe. But I am honestly shocked at how good Joe's numbers have been 65.3% 2283 passing yards 16 TDs 5 INTs, 301 rushing yards with 5 TDs

With 2 games left in the season he's on pace for 2740 passing yards, 25 total TDs and 360 rushing yards. That's a great season for Joe, that's not a great season for a QB in Heupel's offense...it's actually going to be the worst season for any starting QB in Josh's system since he's been a HC.

Hooker:
2022 - 3565 total yards 32 total TDs (missed 2 games)
2021 - 3565 total yards 36 total TDs (didn't start against Bowling Green)

Gabriel
2020 - 3739 total yards 34 total TDs
2019 - 3731 total yards 33 total TDs

McKenzie:
2018 - 2970 total yards 34 total TDs (only played 9 full games)

So did Joe step up and play much better? He did, he got better than he was in previous years...but he didn't step up enough to reach the level that a QB in this offense SHOULD be capable of especially in the TD department.

I don't need statistics to see a poor product on the field. Our schedule this year wasn't close to what it was last year when it comes to offense.

We don't have much data on Joe at Tennessee it's difficult to say whether he has stayed the same, gotten better, or regressed. If you look at his brief time before HH took over, he looks the same to me. If you look at his last two games last year and compare to this year, he's regressed. In my opinion Joe, is Joe. He is what he is.

 

[Smokey123]

The defense hasn’t allowed 30 points in a game all year… last year we allowed 3 including 2 scoring 40+

 

[InVOLuntary]

Don’t talk about my boy Invol! Nico is ready. He may be small, but people will be screaming next year when he is lighting up defenses.

My left leg weighs what Nico does. I don't want him broken in two.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The math checks out, and if you have the money, do it. But the whole thought of this and saying “don’t cash out, just do this!” depends on the bettor having 5k on hand to throw down on a hedge bet in this situation.

Maybe this guy didn’t. Maybe taking this 8k on the cash out and keeping it in his account allows him to do hedge bets like this in the future that he doesn’t have the money to do now. Heck, what if that 8k pays his mortgage for 3 months and he’s living pay check to pay check. Probably shouldn’t be betting if you’re in this situation but lord knows people are.

The point is, no bettor is in the exact same situation as another bettor. Math is great, and in this instance his math checks out, but math doesn’t take in to account people’s situations. The person that tweeted that even made the comment in the tweet “Without knowing what was going to happen, or how much money is liquid in the account to hedge”. He literally makes a definitive statement of “Never cash out” and then spends a whole paragraph saying but only if x,y,z. Make up your mind dude.

You are correct and it's their money they can do what they want.
I mainly just posted it for the moron who likes to talk **** and call me an idiot because I say I never cash out.

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I don't need statistics to see a poor product on the field. Our schedule this year wasn't close to what it was last year when it comes to offense.

We don't have much data on Joe at Tennessee it's difficult to say whether he has stayed the same, gotten better, or regressed. If you look at his brief time before HH took over, he looks the same to me. If you look at his last two games last year and compare to this year, he's regressed. In my opinion Joe, is Joe. He is what he is.

He had one legit start last year, Clemson... and a 1st round T helping keep him upright.

That game against Vandy last year was awful... Joe's had 1 bad game this year (A&M), but we both agree he is who he is and I just don't think his mental processing is good enough to be an elite QB in this offense.

 

[UpstateVol613]

 

[InVOLuntary]

He had one legit start last year, Clemson... and a 1st round T helping keep him upright.

That game against Vandy last year was awful... Joe's had 1 bad game this year (A&M), but we both agree he is who he is and I just don't think his mental processing is good enough to be an elite QB in this offense.

I think we're saying the same thing. Maybe I expected too much from him. I think Nico will allow Heup to do more. Also, if you look back, I've never been critical of Joe. I think he's done about as well as he can. He's just not one to go win a game for you.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Tennessee 21
Georgia 17


I got to believe at least for the Georgia game.....the defense shows up...Go Vols...

I need this. Have to have this. Georgia...

There are few games that make this old guy get old school fightin' mad. I cannot stand this team & their fans. Bring everything, leave nothing on the field, bitch slap em...



So to all you UGA fans, players, alumni. Here's an old school show of mutual admiration, and how I really feel!!
Jackcrevol out.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think we're saying the same thing. Maybe I expected too much from him. I think Nico will allow Heup to do more.

Yep, he's a better Joe Milton than he was when he got here is my only point that maybe I'm not making well.

But he's not played well enough for this team/offense to be what we all know it can be. I had lower expectations for Joe I was worried he'd be far more inaccurate than he has been. My biggest let down has just been how bad he is at running RPOs. Just in the brief times we've seen Nico he already seems quicker to decide in those situations and better.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Suck it, Florida.

But to uga? Really?

 

[Nash_Vol97]

You are correct and it's their money they can do what they want.
I mainly just posted it for the moron who likes to talk **** and call me an idiot because I say I never cash out.

I mean that’s kind of the point though. Making a definitive statement of “never cash out.” Very few people on this site want to spend the money and time required to be a professional bettor or treat it like a serious money making option. It’s just for fun for most of us. So when we see an option like the one in the tweet that allows us to pay debts or even just fill up our accounts to have even more fun, it’s certainly fine to cash out.

For the record, I don’t think you or your strategy is stupid. I don’t think the person who tweeted that is stupid. I do think trying to apply the same definitive statement of “never cash out” to every person who makes a bet is stupid. That’s all I’m saying.

And for the record, I’m not saying you made a definitive statement that no one should cash out. If all you’re saying is you think it’s dumb for your situation than that’s one thing. The tweet above literally contradicts itself though.

 

[Chuckie]

I am a Vol fan, and a fan of the Volunteers.

But usually I say I'm a Vol

Let's do it with other schools:
I am a buckeyes fan
I am a wolverines fan
I am a wildcats fan
I am a tigers fan

It's weird that I call myself a Vol fan.

I say I'm a Vol (and a Vol fan).

Having said that...Vols, B!tch.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Suck it, Florida.

But to uga? Really?

It’s so boring.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I mean that’s kind of the point though. You are making a definitive statement of “never cash out.” Very few people on this site want to spend the money and time required to be a professional bettor or treat it like a serious money making option. It’s just for fun for most of us. So when we see an option like the one in the tweet that allows us to pay debts or even just fill up our accounts to have even more fun, it’s certainly fine to cash out.

For the record, I don’t think you or your strategy is stupid. I don’t think the person who tweeted that is stupid. I do think trying to apply the same definitive statement of “never cash out” to every person who makes a bet is stupid. That’s all I’m saying.

And for the record, I’m not saying you made a definitive statement that no one should cash out. If all you’re saying is you think it’s dumb for you situation than that’s one thing. The tweet above literally contradicts itself though.

That's fine, it's your money do what you want. Just don't pretend that's the only way to do it, or the safest.
(Not saying you in particular)

 

[butchna]

Telling someone that nobody likes them is bad. I do know that.

But you know he’s a fan? I don’t consider calling out a deliberate troll “bad”. I don’t like them. Thought Catbone seemed a helluva guy for years before I saw the light and put him on ignore. Only needed this dude’s Vitello is going to LSU act to conclude and see his next forecast of program doom to pull the plug. Hate is bad…not liking someone because of their actions is an OPTION. Bless him he’s started a family. Maybe reevaluate your actions pretending to be someone else and set an example for the little one? End of subject for me.

 

[Vol423]

I mean that’s kind of the point though. Making a definitive statement of “never cash out.” Very few people on this site want to spend the money and time required to be a professional bettor or treat it like a serious money making option. It’s just for fun for most of us. So when we see an option like the one in the tweet that allows us to pay debts or even just fill up our accounts to have even more fun, it’s certainly fine to cash out.

For the record, I don’t think you or your strategy is stupid. I don’t think the person who tweeted that is stupid. I do think trying to apply the same definitive statement of “never cash out” to every person who makes a bet is stupid. That’s all I’m saying.

And for the record, I’m not saying you made a definitive statement that no one should cash out. If all you’re saying is you think it’s dumb for your situation than that’s one thing. The tweet above literally contradicts itself though.

Am I misunderstanding that original post (I'm not a gambler, so that's certainly possible), or did that graphic show that the last leg of that parlay was that Diggs would have over 50 yards receiving against the Broncos? If so, he failed to do that. I know hindsight is always easy, but doesn't that show that the wise move was to take the cash-out option as the parlay didn't end up hitting?

 

[BigSteve09]

Suck it, Florida.

But to uga? Really?

at least we get to see the Florida fans melt down

I still had hope for Billy but with this class falling apart it’s over

Fire them all. It’s over

Billy has literally no leg to stand on right now.

Offense, defense, recruiting, portal. It’s all garbage

Just no reason to push it off if we finish 5-7 and a class outside of the top 6.

End this madness and get him out of here.

Im not sure why we think we need another year to get to the conclusion. It's over. He's done. Just fire him now.

And it appears that Amaris Williams is next, according to many sources

Lagway will starting looking soon

Supposedly we might lose an offensive recruit too

Imagine the ‘25 class if we keep him after going 5-7 losing 5 straight. We’ll be lucky to have a top 20 class next year when he gets canned after a 1-4 start.

Was told UF had a few coaches on a call with Amaris last night. They know they have to fight to hang on, and feel they are still hanging in there. By no means is that one locked up for them though.

5 straight losses to finish the season

Outside of the top 10 in recruiting

700 yards to LSU

Losing to Arkansas at home?????

2011 Bama offense, but with turnstiles on the DL and Goldkamps on the OL

Just fire him and Stricklin and be done with it

You can’t have 0 HS DT recruits. Who are you, Sal Sunseri?

What’s sad is that us loyal fans have to sit here and watch the implosion to get worse for us to even have a glimmer of hope to dump Billy boy.

I thought I was told that results on the field didn’t matter. I am shocked that we are seeing our class fall apart due to awful play on the field. I’m shocked!

Williams up next? Seems about right. How bad will Mizzu beat us Saturday?

might as well fire up the coaching hot board. Billy's time here is done

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Am I misunderstanding that original post (I'm not a gambler, so that's certainly possible), or did that graphic show that the last leg of that parlay was that Diggs would have over 50 yards receiving against the Broncos? If so, he failed to do that. I know hindsight is always easy, but doesn't that show that the wise move was to take the cash-out option as the parlay didn't end up hitting?

The tweet was saying instead of take the cash out, to make hedge bets against Diggs. The screenshots show the math better. It makes sense and isnt wrong it just assumes you have 5k in your account to hedge with. In this scenario, if you did, you could guarantee a payout higher than the cash out I believe.

But yes, Diggs didn’t get over 50 yards and that parlay failed. So if he didn’t hedge or cash out then the bettor got nothing, which means he should have cashed out. If he did have the hedge money then yeah, make the bet.

 

[butchna]

The team I watched last night will compete for the Socon. They have some players, that can shoot.

I remember under Zo, Tyndall and rebuilding Barnes losing to these teams multiple times. A PEDESTRIAN 21 POINT WIN is a signal how far this program has come. You don’t have to book tickets to the Final Four to appreciate quality.

 

[volinbama256]

at least we get to see the Florida fans melt down

and we lost to these gay-turdz