Recruiting Football Talk VII

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PlanetVolunteer said:
Keyton is an average WR at best

Not fast, not quick, he had two great catches last year, not a great route runner. Not aggressive.

Nimrod is pretty quick, but he's just a taller Squirrel with not near the athleticism and Webb looks like a Keyton clone to me.

None of those three are in the same universe as the vast majority of WR's we have seen in Neyland.

And sorry, hooker is not coming close to winning with that group either.
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Keyton is a very good route runner that regularly beat his man with a mix of good routes and speed. Squirrel is an undersized burner that runs good routes and Nimrod is nothing like him....much bigger and more physical with good speed and route running.

Our WR's were running open a lot this year and Milton didn't see them. I have zero doubt that Hendon would have put up good numbers with that group or that Nico will with Nimrod and Squirrel.
 
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Jack Burton said:
UF was a winnable game though. Mismanaged by the coaches by not playing Mincey or Sampson. I don’t care if they’re being disciplined. You sit them for a cupcake game not Florida. Elite programs don’t sit key players in big games unless they have to.

I’m not trying to nitpick your statement because a lot is true but we could have won 9 or 10 but mismanaged UF and didn’t even show up for Missouri. Those things create doubt and make me no longer think Heupel is elite but probably just pretty good. I hope they get serious in the portal and with coaching upgrades.
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We were down Cooper and Pili for Florida game too. Florida offense killed us. I do not think Heupel is elite. He has a chance. If he does not make defensive changes, he may not get the opportunity to be elite here.
 
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Orange. said:
I saw a long interview with Dobbs here last night, which was really good. And, interestingly, all these years later, Dobbs brought up that he was told twice that he could redshirt and both times he was not allowed to. After all these years. The question iirc was about him overcoming adversity. He didn't sound in the least sour about, just being factual. The rest of his response was about the NFL.

But he apparently believes, not without reason, that not being allowed to redshirt -- twice -- hurt him early in the NFL.
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That's because Butch had no QB better than Dobbs at the time...
 
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Ace said:
The plan was to redshirt Nico. Heupel thought he had enough players around Milton to cover his weaknesses. Then Cooper goes down. We have shuffled offensive linemen all year. Then Pili goes down. Bru down. Hadden down.
Result: We are good enough to win 8 games, but we need more depth to overcome these key leadership injuries. Beasley has been playing hurt as has Slaughter. We are down leaders, not just players.
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Could’ve gone 7-5 with Nico and he hits the ground running in ‘24. Instead we go 8-4 and Nico comes in cold next year.
 
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LargePairOfVols said:
Could’ve gone 7-5 with Nico and he hits the ground running in ‘24. Instead we go 8-4 and Nico comes in cold next year.
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Yup.

There’s always some sort of excuse every year that magically comes up at the end of the year. Funny how that works.

“So and so goes down”

Yeah, that’s why you recruit. “Heupel thought he had enough” okay well do your job and make sure he has enough.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
You pretend we need Nico. There are a ton of HH out there what's more important is building depth and sticking recruiting classes. This years season should've been dominated by FR playing, then next year they're experienced sophomores with FR rotational pieces, so on and so forth.
Not this trash Heup did this year.
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Buddy, that has been YOUR argument.

I agree that we should have played our younger players (not wanting to redshirt) because I don't believe they could be any worse than some of our sorry upperclassmen.

However, this has nothing to do with our Nico redshirting discussion.
 
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volfaninpa said:
I don't think he's gotten 20+ in any game this season. That's confused me a good bit this season too. I understand utilizing the fresh running back, but some of the substitution patterns seem predetermined regardless of how the game is going.
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Yet people complain when Sampson doesn’t get the ball. There is one football.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Buddy, that has been YOUR argument.

I agree that we should have played our younger players (not wanting to redshirt) because I don't believe they could be any worse than some of our sorry upperclassmen.

However, this has nothing to do with our Nico redshirting discussion.
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No my argument has been Nico because he's the one on our roster. We need young talent, and we needed it on the field yesterday. If it doesn't want to play don't take it.
 
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LargePairOfVols said:
Could’ve gone 7-5 with Nico and he hits the ground running in ‘24. Instead we go 8-4 and Nico comes in cold next year.
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Or Nico comes in with confidence in the playbook and another 15/20 pounds of good weight ready to go anyway.

Plenty of RS Freshman have looked like elite QB’s.
 
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I think we win 2 more games if the Florida game and Georgia game would have been flipped on the schedule this season. 😏
 
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Orange. said:
I saw a long interview with Dobbs here last night, which was really good. (Thanks, @SmokinBob #46,585.) And, interestingly, all these years later, Dobbs brought up that he was told twice that he could redshirt and both times he was not allowed to. After all these years.

The question iirc was about him overcoming adversity. He didn't sound in the least sour about, just being factual. The rest of his response was about the NFL. But that was the first case of adversity on his (chronological) list.

He apparently believes, not without reason, that not being allowed to redshirt -- twice -- hurt him in the NFL.
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It is more important at the QB position than any other position. There is a reason the Mannings are insistent about it.

It also doesn't hurt to point out that Nico wasn't physically ready to play in the SEC. He desperately needs to add at least 15 pounds of muscle before he can take the hits we need him to take over the course of a season.
 
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Vols2DaWall said:
8-4 against a weak East/SEC. 0-3 against the big 3. Lost all games by double digits.

Team completely fell apart at end of season. Offense is pathetic and worst of career. Defense looks terrible and poorly coached. Same **** with penalties, not looking motivated, etc.

Nobody is calling for Heupel to be on the hot seat but he’s lost a ton of good will with the fans—who were paying absurd costs for tickets, etc this year. He’s got a lot to figure out this offseason
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People are mentioning Heupel close to the hot seat. Straw man. You love negativity. We went 11-2 in year two.
 
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