Recruiting Football Talk VII

[mr.checkerboards]

Well I've filmed 2 different events. Meet & Greet with basketVOLs and they more than earned what they got paid, stayed and met every single person that paid to attend and played some hoops with any kid that wanted to. A 2 hour event and I'm certain they were all there closer to 4 hours because they simply weren't going to leave if someone was still in line.

A football camp for a former player, he wasn't a Vol at the time but also not doing anything in the NFL yet. It was a full blown day camp, more of a use my name and I'll make an appearance. A good number of the kids that attended were there for the coaching, but all the kids got a chance to meet and get a picture taken with him.

That to me was how NIL should be worked, but I agree I'm sure there are quite a bit who got "deals" that basically only exist in writing and they didn't do anything other than sign to said university to get the pay.

Mhmmmmmm.

Both of those you mentioned don't bother me at all.

 

[knoxvol52]

College football has been pay for play for decades.

The difference was that there were only a few teams at the very top that were skilled/connected/protected enough to do it and get away with it.

Now it's above the table and everyone can do it. Only some teams will be able to do it well. Congratulations, we are one of those programs. We need more Vol Club members to preserve our spot in the Top 10 collectives going forward, but for now, we are at the forefront.

I understand why a lot of posters on here are calling for regulation, but you do realize that we will just go right back to how things have been for at least the last 50 years. The teams that figured out paying recruits/players under the table (Bama, UGA) will just go back to their well-oiled, well-protected machines, and then everyone will be complaining about cheating again.

For a program like Tennessee, falling on our face constantly since the mid-00's, this new era is way better for us.

I can understand @Ulysees E. McGill not liking that (very click-baity, engagement driven) headline that Pearce is getting other offers. But guess what, we can afford to keep him, and we likely will. We are also indirectly speaking with other players that will be looking for a raise. That is the game now. It's a second and sometimes third recruiting cycle for players.

Free Education, meals , room and board for most ...now throw me another 500,000....

 

[BigSteve09]

Above all else, the current state of CFB was inevitable.

Decisions that were made decades ago have led us to this inevitable conclusion.

College Football has been a cash cow since they put TVs in houses. Think back at how many different people became millionaires off of college football, and how much revenue it has produced, and continues to produce.

Coaches, ADs, Commissioners, Presidents, countless members of staffs of all of those positions, TV execs, announcers, the list goes on and on and on. All of these people got rich off of college football, particularly in the big media age. Super rich!

It was only a matter of time until the players saw the money too. Now the players are doing things that literally every other role/position in the sport has been doing for decades. They're making decisions based on what they think is best for them, and they're making a ton of money.

The only difference is there are tons more players than there are any of those other positions, so it seems rampant and fresh and detrimental. It's not, it's more of the same, just a lot more of it.

This was inevitable. The very nature of College Football has been to maximize revenue in every way possible, since at least the 70's.

Has it all ruined what we understood college football to be, and what we want it to be? Yes.
Is it just the last 5 years that have ruined college football? No. This is the most logical outcome, based on a multitude of decisions that others have made that were rooted in greed, going back however many years.

 

[BigSteve09]

Free Education, meals , room and board for most ...now throw me another 500,000....

For some players, the absolute best, that pay is well-deserved.

For some programs, the ones that want to be the absolute best, that is also a smart investment.

Unfortunately we are watching the market get set in real-time so it's insanity, but this is how these type of things work.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Free Education, meals , room and board for most ...now throw me another 500,000....

This is part of what bothered me as well.

Not only this stuff, but think of the medical treatment they recieve and how much that costs, the food around the clock, supplements, travel, gear etc...... none of that is cheap.

 

[orangejuice]

College football has been pay for play for decades.

The difference was that there were only a few teams at the very top that were skilled/connected/protected enough to do it and get away with it.

Now it's above the table and everyone can do it. Only some teams will be able to do it well. Congratulations, we are one of those programs. We need more Vol Club members to preserve our spot in the Top 10 collectives going forward, but for now, we are at the forefront.

I understand why a lot of posters on here are calling for regulation, but you do realize that we will just go right back to how things have been for at least the last 50 years. The teams that figured out paying recruits/players under the table (Bama, UGA) will just go back to their well-oiled, well-protected machines, and then everyone will be complaining about cheating again.

For a program like Tennessee, falling on our face constantly since the mid-00's, this new era is way better for us.

I can understand @Ulysees E. McGill not liking that (very click-baity, engagement driven) headline that Pearce is getting other offers. But guess what, we can afford to keep him, and we likely will. We are also indirectly speaking with other players that will be looking for a raise. That is the game now. It's a second and sometimes third recruiting cycle for players.

Honestly, I have always enjoyed being able to get excited about certain players and watching them get better and become superstars, so the idea that one of our best players might just up and leave for money just plain sucks. On the flip side, as long as we win at a high level and compete for championships, I can get over losing players because, in that scenario, it likely means another player came in or someone stepped up and played just as well or better.

Winning is better than having a superstar player on a bad team, and I would trade Pierce in a heartbeat if it meant we went 12-0 the next season. Now you lose your young superstar player and then go 8-4, well that would be a kick in the groin for sure though. Like anything in college athletics, winning cures all.

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Basilio is saying that Tim Banks has interviewed two days with MTSU for their HC position.

 

[Vols410]

Above all else, the current state of CFB was inevitable.

Decisions that were made decades ago have led us to this inevitable conclusion.

College Football has been a cash cow since they put TVs in houses. Think back at how many different people became millionaires off of college football, and how much revenue it has produced, and continues to produce.

Coaches, ADs, Commissioners, Presidents, countless members of staffs of all of those positions, TV execs, announcers, the list goes on and on and on. All of these people got rich off of college football, particularly in the big media age. Super rich!

It was only a matter of time until the players saw the money too. Now the players are doing things that literally every other role/position in the sport has been doing for decades. They're making decisions based on what they think is best for them, and they're making a ton of money.

The only difference is there are tons more players than there are any of those other positions, so it seems rampant and fresh and detrimental. It's not, it's more of the same, just a lot more of it.

This was inevitable. The very nature of College Football has been to maximize revenue in every way possible, since at least the 70's.

Has it all ruined what we understood college football to be, and what we want it to be? Yes.
Is it just the last 5 years that have ruined college football? No. This is the most logical outcome based on a multitude of decisions that others have made that were rooted in greed going back however many years.

And to add… despite all this is it still the best sport in the world? Absolutely.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

Basilio is saying that Tim Banks has interviewed two days with MTSU for their HC position.

@InVOLuntary be like:

 

[jave36]

This is part of what bothered me as well.

Not only this stuff, but think of the medical treatment they recieve and how much that costs, the food around the clock, supplements, travel, gear etc...... none of that is cheap.

And then compare it to the tens of even hundreds of millions of dollars they generate for the universities....

 

[BigSteve09]

Honestly, I have always enjoyed being able to get excited about certain players and watching them get better and become superstars, so the idea that one of our best players might just up and leave for money just plain sucks. On the flip side, as long as we win at a high level and compete for championships, I can get over losing players because, in that scenario, it likely means another player came in or someone stepped up and played just as well or better.

Winning is better than having a superstar player on a bad team, and I would trade Pierce in a heartbeat if it meant we went 12-0 the next season. Now you lose your young superstar player and then go 8-4, well that would be a kick in the groin for sure though. Like anything in college athletics, winning cures all.

Agreed with the overall tone of your post, FWIW. Going to bold one part.

That's not happening though.

Everyone is making all of these comments based on one person saying "Pearce is seeing all of these offers." Yes, he probably is. We are probably going to up his NIL with us as well. He deserves it, he's going to go down as one of the greatest.

We are also doing it to other programs as well. That is the name of the game now.

I do agree with @Ulysees E. McGill ,and everyone else that has complained, that the FANS are the ones that have suffered the most while everyone involved with the sport figures out how to slice the pie.

I think it sucks that the conferences have turned into what they are. I think it sucks that the sport is turning more into pro wrestling because it drives viewers which drives revenue. I think it sucks that coaches and ADs just go wherever they want and can collectively tank a program to benefit themselves or the conference.

I'm not stoked that NIL/portal has turned into what it is, but that IS THE GAME now. Because of Spyre, I think we have a better shot now than we did in the last 20 years to actually compete. Simply because the nature of NIL today has evened the field FOR US vs our biggest rivals and conference competition.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

And then compare it to the tens of even hundreds of millions of dollars they generate for the universities....

The schools aren't paying for it, you and I are in tuition costs, ticket prices, tv packages, concessions, gear etc.....

 

[BigSteve09]

The schools aren't paying for it, you and I are in tuition costs, ticket prices, tv packages, concessions, gear etc.....

I think we are moving towards revenue sharing in CFB. That's the endgame of all of this.

I don't know how we will police programs and boosters from sweetening the pot beyond regulation, but whatever. All things are cyclical. Hope we have it figured out by then.

 

[InVOLuntary]

@InVOLuntary be like:
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[orangejuice]

Agreed with the overall tone of your post, FWIW. Going to bold one part.

That's not happening though.

Everyone is making all of these comments based on one person saying "Pearce is seeing all of these offers." Yes, he probably is. We are probably going to up his NIL with us as well. He deserves it, he's going to go down as one of the greatest.

We are also doing it to other programs as well. That is the name of the game now.

I do agree with @Ulysees E. McGill ,and everyone else that has complained, that the FANS are the ones that have suffered the most while everyone involved with the sport figures out how to slice the pie.

I think it sucks that the conferences have turned into what they are. I think it sucks that the sport is turning more into pro wrestling because it drives viewers which drives revenue. I think it sucks that coaches and ADs just go wherever they want and can collectively tank a program to benefit themselves or the conference.

I'm not stoked that NIL/portal has turned into what it is, but that IS THE GAME now. Because of Spyre, I think we have a better shot now than we did in the last 20 years to actually compete. Simply because the nature of NIL today has evened the field FOR US vs our biggest rivals and conference competition.

For context, my point was more general and not specific to our situation. My overall point for sure was that I can get over the loss of any player as long as we win lol.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I think we are moving towards revenue sharing in CFB. That's the endgame of all of this.

I don't know how we will police programs and boosters from sweetening the pot beyond regulation, but whatever. All things are cyclical. Hope we have it figured out by then.

That's a road I hadn't thought about.

I've always thought with the big schools at least we will end up with a minor leagues situation and eventually the college game will mirror the professional game.

 

[jave36]

Above all else, the current state of CFB was inevitable.

Decisions that were made decades ago have led us to this inevitable conclusion.

College Football has been a cash cow since they put TVs in houses. Think back at how many different people became millionaires off of college football, and how much revenue it has produced, and continues to produce.

Coaches, ADs, Commissioners, Presidents, countless members of staffs of all of those positions, TV execs, announcers, the list goes on and on and on. All of these people got rich off of college football, particularly in the big media age. Super rich!

It was only a matter of time until the players saw the money too. Now the players are doing things that literally every other role/position in the sport has been doing for decades. They're making decisions based on what they think is best for them, and they're making a ton of money.

The only difference is there are tons more players than there are any of those other positions, so it seems rampant and fresh and detrimental. It's not, it's more of the same, just a lot more of it.

This was inevitable. The very nature of College Football has been to maximize revenue in every way possible, since at least the 70's.

Has it all ruined what we understood college football to be, and what we want it to be? Yes.
Is it just the last 5 years that have ruined college football? No. This is the most logical outcome based on a multitude of decisions that others have made that were rooted in greed going back however many years.

Good post. Everyone was getting rich, it's only natural (and fair) for the players to get their share of that pie.

The ironic thing is none of the money generated by the sport is going to players still (beyond free education, which doesn't cost the university any actual money). It's all third party money. It would be like nfl players only getting paid via sponsorships, not by the teams. So the system is still making everyone else rich, but at least the players can get some indirect funds at least.

 

[Govolsman98]

Basilio is saying that Tim Banks has interviewed two days with MTSU for their HC position.

We'd promote Willie Martinez to DC if Banks left

 

[jave36]

The schools aren't paying for it, you and I are in tuition costs, ticket prices, tv packages, concessions, gear etc.....

LOL that's what I said. We are paying tens or hundreds of millions to universities for football and basketball, and they're giving a tiny tiny fraction of it to the players.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

LOL that's what I said. We are paying tens or hundreds of millions to universities for football and basketball, and they're giving a tiny tiny fraction of it to the players.

But they're amateur athletes, if they want to be paid like professionals then they should be treated like professionals.

 

[rikberry31]

Basilio is saying that Tim Banks has interviewed two days with MTSU for their HC position.

Why would they want him? He sucks, just ask Volnation.

 

[BigSteve09]

That's a road I hadn't thought about.

I've always thought with the big schools at least we will end up with a minor leagues situation and eventually the college game will mirror the professional game.

If these coaches really wanted to win, they would stop taking these 10M/year contracts and they would reduce their take to 2-3M, put more back in the pot for the best assistants, and have 3-4M put directly into their collective to get the best players.

I think revenue sharing will look like that.

 

[jave36]

But they're amateur athletes, if they want to be paid like professionals then they should be treated like professionals.

Since when do amateurs generate billions of dollars for other people? Name anywhere else that happens.

And they are treated like professionals. They don't perform, they lose their spot.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Since when do amateurs generate billions of dollars for other people? Name anywhere else that happens.

And they are treated like professionals. They don't perform, they lose their spot.

Then they need contracts, salary cap, roster limits, free agency, unions and union dues. There's a lot of things that they get away with under the guise of amateur.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

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