Recruiting Football Talk VII

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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
It has to be paid to a qualified charity in order to be deductible. Otherwise, it is only deductible if the person/company receiving the funds claims it as income and then you can deduct it as an expense.

Much like political contributions not being tax deductible.
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It is income to the student athlete who receives the income for his or her name, image, or likeness. Just like Tiger gets paid for wearing Nike, the players get paid for endorsing whatever. Nike deducts the $$ paid to Tiger as advertising expense.

My understanding is the athletes go through a class explaining the tax consequences and how to make sure they are prepared financially to pay those taxes. When one receives 1099 income (as opposed to W-2 income), one is responsible for federal tax, their portion and the “employer“ portion of social security taxes, and their portion and “employer” portion of medicare taxes as well as unemployment taxes, etc. Nothing is withheld from the payments to the athletes - they must make those payments themselves from the income received for their NIL income.
 
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drvenner said:
Our class started great. So great people assumed we were going to finish in the top 5. It has been awhile since we got great news but I think the class is better than good.
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And the people who are whining that we haven't gotten commits late are probably the same ones who, the past couple of years, were whining because we weren't getting them earlier.
 
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OrangenSC said:
And the people who are whining that we haven't gotten commits late are probably the same ones who, the past couple of years, were whining because we weren't getting them earlier.
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And the people who can't see the problems we're having in recruiting are probably the same people who believed in Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt until their bitter ends. Acknowledging the problem, and there is a problem, does not mean calling for Heupel's head. I support Josh Heupel, but he needs to adjust his strategy, and he may need to adjust his staff.

Why is it so hard to acknowledge we're struggling in recruiting? First step to fixing a problem is admitting there's a problem.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
I don’t watch the NFL for a reason, and I think trying to make college football into an NFL-lite model is a mistake that cannot be undone.
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It's actually worse than the NFL right now. The NFL drafts players and locks them in with contracts. Free agents (portal players) serve as either major pickups (a drafted guy getting his bigger payday after proving he's worth it by performing well in his first or second contract OR as journeymen who find themselves filling in here and there) but in both cases their number is limited and guys are bound by contracts. With NIL, there's absolutely no way to bind a player to a team or to tie pay to performance. Right now the college game allows for players to take the money and run - free and clear of any obligations to the university/team.

NIL is being used and abused by universities to purchase players despite paying players to be on your team or to perform being against the rules AND used and abused by players to extort unis for more pay. NIL is not being used for much legitimate work. You don't see many Alontae Cookie Monster NIL deals where a known player is using his name, image, and likeness to sell a product and reap a reward from it. Instead legitimate NIL is simply serving as a cover for collectives to act as bag men. The absolute lack of any regulation combined with immediate transfer rules incentivizes players to exploit the system. CFB has created an unregulated free agency for every player. The NFL would never allow that because it's absolutely nuts.
 
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KB5252 said:
Ok what are our expectations next year. I'm thinking something similar to this year being likely.

That being said in order to get better we are going to have to get better....... Starts with recruiting, a lot of whiffs to end the cycle. Maybe we can turn one that will really help us before NSD.

Hopefully a good young QB behind an established offensive line can overcome our unproven young wr corp and new faces running the ball.

Completely new, young,inexperienced DB group with what should be a solid d line and experienced young linebackers will be key as well. Think we going to see growing pains on both sides of the ball.
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I think we should keep them low because there are a lot of unanswered questions and a new QB with almost no experience but an ESPN projection when schedules were released had us as favorites in 9 games. OU, BAMA, and UGA were projected losses but I think we may wind up favorites against OU given all their transfer woes.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
This is dumb...you still have to win to get in.
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I agree with Christian Lowe somewhat. It does take a lot of excitement out of the regular season. Except for the rare year like this one, having a loss has proven meaningless for brand name teams, especially SEC and B1G teams. When we were in the hunt post-BAMA, we knew we could drop the UGA game and it wouldn't matter and when it happened no one was upset (well, dawg fans were upset because they knew it didnd't matter). And that was with just 4 teams in the invitational.**

When the invitational expands to 16, the regular season isn't going to mean what it used to mean. And given realignment, a genuine invitational that invites the best teams is going to have 3 and 4 loss SEC and B1G teams if they're picking the best teams.

**The college system is def. an invitational rather than a playoff given that eye tests, brand name, tv market, player injuries, coach popularity etc. all matter more than scheduling and on the field results.
 
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SmokinBob said:
It is income to the student athlete who receives the income for his or her name, image, or likeness. Just like Tiger gets paid for wearing Nike, the players get paid for endorsing whatever. Nike deducts the $$ paid to Tiger as advertising expense.

My understanding is the athletes go through a class explaining the tax consequences and how to make sure they are prepared financially to pay those taxes. When one receives 1099 income (as opposed to W-2 income), one is responsible for federal tax, their portion and the “employer“ portion of social security taxes, and their portion and “employer” portion of medicare taxes as well as unemployment taxes, etc. Nothing is withheld from the payments to the athletes - they must make those payments themselves from the income received for their NIL income.
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A few years from now we're going to hear some nightmare stories where these guys didn't pay their taxes and had no savings to pay up when Uncle Sam came knocking on their door.
 
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UTProf said:
I agree with Christian Lowe somewhat. It does take a lot of excitement out of the regular season. Except for the rare year like this one, having a loss has proven meaningless for brand name teams, especially SEC and B1G teams. When we were in the hunt post-BAMA, we knew we could drop the UGA game and it wouldn't matter and when it happened no one was upset (well, dawg fans were upset because they knew it didnd't matter). And that was with just 4 teams in the invitational.**

When the invitational expands to 16, the regular season isn't going to mean what it used to mean. And given realignment, a genuine invitational that invites the best teams is going to have 3 and 4 loss SEC and B1G teams if they're picking the best teams.

**The college system is def. an invitational rather than a playoff given that eye tests, brand name, tv market, player injuries, coach popularity etc. all matter more than scheduling and on the field results.
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EVERY season there are losses that cost multiple programs their legit shots at a championship. The only “rare” element to this season is a FSU doing everything they were supposed to do (save keep their starting QB from being hurt) and still lose out the old guard favoritie Bama. Right out of the 1960’s-1970’s playbook. 😴 Think those regular season matchups against US and Auburn didn’t bear out “meaningful”? Only gets ramped up with more slots to earn. Margin of error on not being undefeated or having a competitive, close loss against a top opponent has only tightened. Especially with conference champs and the highest rated G5 candidates being guaranteed participation. Every season around March, we hear the plaintive wailings of fans when their school is cruelly excluded from The Big Dance…and that’s SIXTY FOUR disputed spots with play-in games. They continue to beg for more on that snoozer…different sport, of course, but with many more games, you can stay home if you don’t take care of business. The only struggles for a way better product as college football is capping it at sixteen. Much more exciting seasons to come imo.
 
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Weezer said:
And the people who can't see the problems we're having in recruiting are probably the same people who believed in Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt until their bitter ends. Acknowledging the problem, and there is a problem, does not mean calling for Heupel's head. I support Josh Heupel, but he needs to adjust his strategy, and he may need to adjust his staff.

Why is it so hard to acknowledge we're struggling in recruiting? First step to fixing a problem is admitting there's a problem.
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How are we struggling in recruiting? Recruiting wasn’t nearly the issue under Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt
 
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butchna said:
EVERY season there are losses that cost multiple programs their legit shots at a championship. The only “rare” element to this season is a FSU doing everything they were supposed to do (save keep their starting QB from being hurt) and still lose out the old guard favoritie Bama. Right out of the 1960’s-1970’s playbook. 😴 Think those regular season matchups against US and Auburn didn’t bear out “meaningful”? Only gets ramped up with more slots to earn. Margin of error on not being undefeated or having a competitive, close loss against a top opponent has only tightened. Especially with conference champs and the highest rated G5 candidates being guaranteed participation. Every season around March, we hear the plaintive wailings of fans when their school is cruelly excluded from The Big Dance…and that’s SIXTY FOUR disputed spots with play-in games. They continue to beg for more on that snoozer…different sport, of course, but with many more games, you can stay home if you don’t take care of business. The only struggles for a way better product as college football is capping it at sixteen. Much more exciting seasons to come imo.
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This year a team that did everything right got cast aside despite being a relatively big name school in a big name conference. But typically a team with FSU's qualifications will get in. I'm not sure if we're in disagreement.

There's no doubt that an expanded playoff means SEC teams are going to get mulligans and teams like BAMA will be able to drop 2 maybe even 3 games. They've gotten them several times when there were fewer spots. And they've bumped teams like FSU. Those mulligans do mean that the regular season is a bit less exciting. Winning TSIO matters less if we can drop it, make the playoffs, and win a championship. That devalues the regular season a ton compared to in the past when you needed a perfect season or one that was near perfect.
 
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