Recruiting Football Talk VII

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Halze wasn't the primary playcaller this season. Heupel called the plays.

Heupel has always called the plays. However, having an experienced OC who can break down other teams film, work up schemes against them and then present this to the HC takes a lot off of the HC.

I’m not saying Halzle didn’t do this but it definitely wasn’t at the level of what Golesh could do.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Wesley Walker is a prime example of what I call a progress stopper.

He could come back and he’d be okay. Not bad. Not great. Just okay. Meanwhile he’d be stopping the progression of potentially better, clearly more athletic kids behind him.

I wish him well but as I am with all our secondary portal entries - glad they’re leaving.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

In ‘22, Vols went 20.2 seconds per play. This season, 21.0 seconds per play.

USF 20.7 seconds per play and Vols 21.0 seconds per play.

You must be watching these games with a stopwatch.

I mean, there was definitely a bigger difference than that this year. I don’t care what the analytics say.

Hooker didn’t have to receive permission or look to the sideline as much as Milton. He was also given control in certain situations to change plays. Milton wasn’t afforded that same ability. Which slowed play down.

 

[Weezer]

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I’d consider our wins 10x better than our losses.

- Harrison is better than Rodriguez
- Rather have another proven portal CB than Sensabaugh
- Farmer couldn’t get on the field in an atrocious Florida O-Line
- Diggs only has 1 season left. Let’s get a SDE with multiple years

Portal pickings are getting slimmer unless/until new options enter. Need some new OL and Edge options.

 

[KPT_VFL]

I mean, there was definitely a bigger difference than that this year. I don’t care what the analytics say.

Hooker didn’t have to receive permission or look to the sideline as much as Milton. He was also given control in certain situations to change plays. Milton wasn’t afforded that same ability. Which slowed play down.

I too feel like we played slower this year. There were many times I yelled at the tv to run a play. It burns me up when we decide to go for it on 4th and 1 or less and we take seconds upon seconds to run a play when the defense isn’t even lined up yet. You should know when you reach a certain part of the field and situationally if you’re going for it on 4th and 1 or less to just get lined up and go as quick as possible barring a few situations.

 

[volsagain]

I don't think we are going to get Stewart or Seaton

It's Christmas, stop thinking and start believing

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Everything not on Joe. Was he Hendon? No. Was he JG? No. Go look at his numbers, he actually had a solid year despite everyone blaming all our failures on him. I've said all season our play calling and gameplans were lacking. That's on the coaches.

He only threw for one 300yd game and it was against………. Vanderbilt. A lot of it was definitely on Joe.

 

[TechnoVol]

Squirrel
Thornton
Nimrod
Webb
Leacock
Matthews
Staley
Brazzell
Spillman

Potentially:
Stewart
Bru

Not enough footballs to go around. Good problem to have but who is leaving?

Thornton and Bru I think have only one year left. Nice to be in position we can let guys develop but how long will some wait to play? I really have high hopes for Leacock hope he doesn’t bounce if he doesn’t get much run this year.

In our offense and tempo, The same 3 WRs remain on the field each drive. I agree, not enough targets available for this long list of WRs.

 

[rikberry31]

Know this won't go over well, but I think we've got "comfortable" guys on this coaching staff. They aren't great coaches and definitely aren't great recruiters. Heupel is familiar with them and comfortable working with them. They aren't the kind of guys who usually help you succeed in this league. Give Saban credit. He's not afraid of hiring the best talent he can find. He's secure in his skin and surrounds himself with only the hardest workers...the best. Kirby is along the same lines. Heupel is really starting to remind me of Fulmer toward the tail end of his career at UT in some regards with his coaching staff. Along those lines, I see some parallels between Fulmer losing a detail oriented, disciplinarian type in Cutcliff just like Heupel lwith Golesh. Yeah, everyone says Heupel is really the OC, but being the head man is tough enough without trying to be the OC, too. What Fulmer missed the most was the discipline and attention to details that Cut brought. Wonder if USF will lead their league in penalties?

One thing is certain, this will be the longest Heupel has been the HC at one place if I'm not mistaken. After this year, this will be HIS roster. That's when the clock is ticking. I'll be curious to see what the program looks like in Nico's year 2. I'll also be keeping an eye on Golesh at USF to see if my comparison to Fulmer/Cutcliff still remains somewhat reasonable. Hope Heupel figures it out and this program takes off, but those similarities with Fulmer has me feeling a little on edge.

Wrong, your thinking is in the past. Recruiting used to be tell a player whatever it takes to get them on campus and then you have them for three years, not anymore. If a player gets to campus and finds out they have been sold a bill of goods, into the portal they go. The game is keeping them on campus and you do that by being honest about the program and the player's role in it.
We have recruited very well and we've recruited good fits. Heup has created an environment that players want to be a part of. We recruit well, retain well, heck we even have players who are coming back when they could go to the League.
Individual coaches don't recruit per say, programs do. Nick and his coaches sell the Bama program, Kirby and the boys sell Georgia, snake oil salesmen are having a rough go of it in the portal era. Heup is going about it the right way, a lot of programs are operating an unsustainable model.
You say comfortable and lazy, I say honest and particular.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I too feel like we played slower this year. There were many times I yelled at the tv to run a play. It burns me up when we decide to go for it on 4th and 1 or less and we take seconds upon seconds to run a play when the defense isn’t even lined up yet. You should know when you reach a certain part of the field and situationally if you’re going for it on 4th and 1 or less to just get lined up and go as quick as possible barring a few situations.

Agreed. It was a weird dynamic this year. It boils down to Football IQ if you ask me.

Milton just didn’t have the same QB IQ as Hooker or the same accuracy and that hindered the offense this year.

 

[Vols4us]

There should be no more excuses by anyone if secondary performance does not improve. Banks/Martinez have handpicked talent at their disposal with a couple of established vets working in as transfers. The D-line and LB rooms are experienced and loaded. No more BS excuses allowed.

If the O scoring returns to closer to its 2022 performance, making the playoffs should be the expectation. So now I expect the manage expectations crowd on here to rush in with their 8-9 win projections.

 

[pierce60]

VFL Troy Fleming being mentioned as possible HC at Battle Ground Academy.........icywtk

SIAP, but that’s his alma mater, right?

 

[rikberry31]

Trade them Vandy maybe, only since IT MIGHT strengthen them in recruiting and hurt UF. I would still prefer to poach UNC from the ACC to clean up our SEC map, improve BB and decent FB that might pick up steam in our league. Vandy fits better with WF, GT, and the rest of the remaining teams after the other leagues poach the big boys. Let FSU go to the Big 10. Just have an unexplained anti FSU tendency probably dating back to them avoiding joining us years ago.

You realize Vandy basically created the SEC. You want to kick someone out of the house they built?

 

[landscapingvol]

Mets win that derby last offseason.

That’s true but there is a reason why the Phillies have made runs the last couple of seasons and the Yankees/Red Sox have as many championships as they do, and it’s free agency. Have the Rays and Braves made runs we well? Yes, but outside of the WS year and the Dodgers meltdown the Braves haven’t been a factor in the playoffs. They have won the National League once in the last 20 years and considering how many times they have won the NL East in that timespan is a pretty terrible playoff record.

 

[UTSuave’]

Creme Filled or Glazed..

Believe me it matters...

@Glitch

 

[jp1]

In our offense and tempo, The same 3 WRs remain on the field each drive. I agree, not enough targets available for this long list of WRs.

I don't understand why we don't switch out receivers on situations that we are subbing positions, like RB. I get that we rarely do that too, but it does happen. Or when they are faking an injury and subs do come in. Just plug another guy in here or there.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Keep Vandy. I like us having basically another bye week each year.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

Know this won't go over well, but I think we've got "comfortable" guys on this coaching staff. They aren't great coaches and definitely aren't great recruiters. Heupel is familiar with them and comfortable working with them. They aren't the kind of guys who usually help you succeed in this league. Give Saban credit. He's not afraid of hiring the best talent he can find. He's secure in his skin and surrounds himself with only the hardest workers...the best. Kirby is along the same lines. Heupel is really starting to remind me of Fulmer toward the tail end of his career at UT in some regards with his coaching staff. Along those lines, I see some parallels between Fulmer losing a detail oriented, disciplinarian type in Cutcliff just like Heupel lwith Golesh. Yeah, everyone says Heupel is really the OC, but being the head man is tough enough without trying to be the OC, too. What Fulmer missed the most was the discipline and attention to details that Cut brought. Wonder if USF will lead their league in penalties?

One thing is certain, this will be the longest Heupel has been the HC at one place if I'm not mistaken. After this year, this will be HIS roster. That's when the clock is ticking. I'll be curious to see what the program looks like in Nico's year 2. I'll also be keeping an eye on Golesh at USF to see if my comparison to Fulmer/Cutcliff still remains somewhat reasonable. Hope Heupel figures it out and this program takes off, but those similarities with Fulmer has me feeling a little on edge.

I agree with you 1000% on Heupel’s “comfort”. He’s a steady Eddy kinda guy along with his staff. I don’t see us consistently winning 10+ games here to compete with Bama and UGA and for NCs.

I like Heupel so not calling for a new HC but he may top out at Mark Richt level which isn’t good enough to compete for titles this day and age. There may be a flash in the pan year thrown in there every so often (2022) but 8-4/9-3 is where I believe he’ll typically land. 9-3 may be enough to get you in on the fringe of the CFP some years so there’s that.

 

[landscapingvol]

Dang.....I'd trade Mizzu (or USCjr) for FSU.

Dan Wetzel is an idiot now he may be correct but it isn’t because Greg Sankey is confiding in him

 

[landscapingvol]

View attachment 604167
I’d consider our wins 10x better than our losses.

- Harrison is better than Rodriguez
- Rather have another proven portal CB than Sensabaugh
- Farmer couldn’t get on the field in an atrocious Florida O-Line
- Diggs only has 1 season left. Let’s get a SDE with multiple years

I don’t know who made that list but Willie Rodriguez and Jaren Sensabaugh are stretched at best

 

[UTSuave’]

That’s true but there is a reason why the Phillies have made runs the last couple of seasons and the Yankees/Red Sox have as many championships as they do, and it’s free agency. Have the Rays and Braves made runs we well? Yes, but outside of the WS year and the Dodgers meltdown the Braves haven’t been a factor in the playoffs. They have won the National League once in the last 20 years and considering how many times they have won the NL East in that timespan is a pretty terrible playoff record.

@volbeast33 @knoxvol52

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I took usf at -5.5 because of the facts around Syracuse and their roster last night. No idea how they were favored. Mindboggling

Free money on that one

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

They make much more sense than TAMU and Missouri. Throw Missouri back to the B12 and take FSU.

Throw Vandy out…..

 

[RikidyBones]

Free money on that one

Usf -5.5 at +220. Yeah... Easy.

 

[MarcoVol]

Know this won't go over well, but I think we've got "comfortable" guys on this coaching staff. They aren't great coaches and definitely aren't great recruiters. Heupel is familiar with them and comfortable working with them. They aren't the kind of guys who usually help you succeed in this league. Give Saban credit. He's not afraid of hiring the best talent he can find. He's secure in his skin and surrounds himself with only the hardest workers...the best. Kirby is along the same lines. Heupel is really starting to remind me of Fulmer toward the tail end of his career at UT in some regards with his coaching staff. Along those lines, I see some parallels between Fulmer losing a detail oriented, disciplinarian type in Cutcliff just like Heupel lwith Golesh. Yeah, everyone says Heupel is really the OC, but being the head man is tough enough without trying to be the OC, too. What Fulmer missed the most was the discipline and attention to details that Cut brought. Wonder if USF will lead their league in penalties?

One thing is certain, this will be the longest Heupel has been the HC at one place if I'm not mistaken. After this year, this will be HIS roster. That's when the clock is ticking. I'll be curious to see what the program looks like in Nico's year 2. I'll also be keeping an eye on Golesh at USF to see if my comparison to Fulmer/Cutcliff still remains somewhat reasonable. Hope Heupel figures it out and this program takes off, but those similarities with Fulmer has me feeling a little on edge.

Had we won 10 games this year, would you be saying the same?