Recruiting Football Talk VII

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I wonder how much of his staff that DeBoer brings with him. I have no idea who they are but he has to have some dudes he wants to bring and it is doubtful any of those guys have recruited in the SEC. I guess he will try to poach some big time recruiters from other SEC teams. It will be interesting.
 
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drvenner said:
I wonder how much of his staff that DeBoer brings with him. I have no idea who they are but he has to have some dudes he wants to bring and it is doubtful any of those guys have recruited in the SEC. I guess he will try to poach some big time recruiters from other SEC teams. It will be interesting
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It will be interesting. Maybe he doesn't care about all that.

The guy went 25-3 in 2 years and made the title game with the #26 most talented team. Obviously he can "play up" his talent.

He was the 4th most talented team in his own conference. Didn't matter much.

Now...if he goes and recruits 10th nationally year after year and thinks he's doing well...he'll find himself 6th in his own conference behind (at least) UGA, TAMU, LSU, TX, OU.

Our talent gap will continue to shrink between us and Bama. At that point, Bama is banking on Deboer being a far better HC than...Saban(the goat...). Imo we'll be neck-to-neck, which is far better than the last 17 years. There's still UGA, but we've closed that gap immensely and now we don't face them every year.
 
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Vols410 said:
I mean say you want about PFF but it’s not a terrible argument by default. They’re basically just saying that Watt’s case is made on the big plays that everybody notices (sacks), but if you track every play the other guys catch up by doing other stuff (pressures). Parsons had 70 pressures in 513 rushes, compared to Watt’s 47/551.

Still find it hard to believe that’s actually true in Watt’s case, but I wouldn’t call this “torturing the data until it confesses” either.
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Yup. Viewers just see the big plays or big fails. And modern box stats only capture the biggest of plays for defenders.

I don't think PFF is the best imaginable system, but they have the best methodology as of now. They're the only ones (to my knowledge) evaluating every single play, capturing the bad on top of the good and mediocre. It will never "align" with most at-home viewers' opinions because they don't grudgingly analyze every single play by every single player...and that is where the disconnect comes from.

Ultimately I'd wish other companies would pop up with a similar methodology. Then they could be pushed to improve. There's $$$ to be made, as both NFL and college orgs pay for PFF's deep information. But PFF has cornered the market for now.

Edit: I do like SECStatCat. He has a similar methodology of evaluating every play (though not every player on the field). He does it with QBs and maybe a couple other positions afaik.
 
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Devo182 said:
The case of Keyton.

He made amazing, game, if not season-altering plays. He would catch uncatchable passes. Wow plays.

And then drop wide open routes time and again.
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I rewatched the Bama game from 22 (again lol) recently. Keyton looked like a completely different player. Smooth reliable and quick.

I remember Joe talking before the season about how Ramel finally came out of his shell off the field. I'll be honest. I liked him a lot more when he stayed in the shell.
 
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drvenner said:
I wonder how much of his staff that DeBoer brings with him. I have no idea who they are but he has to have some dudes he wants to bring and it is doubtful any of those guys have recruited in the SEC. I guess he will try to poach some big time recruiters from other SEC teams. It will be interesting.
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Yeah we need to hide Rodney Garner somewhere so he can’t be found until after DeBoer hires his staff.🤔
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
I rewatched the Bama game from 22 (again lol) recently. Keyton looked like a completely different player. Smooth reliable and quick.

I remember Joe talking before the season about how Ramel finally came out of his shell off the field. I'll be honest. I liked him a lot more when he stayed in the shell.
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I love Keyton and how he got so much better from his sophomore season, but dude might be the most inconsistent player only second to Joe.
 
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