Recruiting Football Talk VII

[peaygolf]

Publicly. Maybe the rumors he was looking at $15 mil per and significant roster control was dead on.

Sports Illustrated said something like that a fews weeks ago and got chastised for it............but it is 100% true.

 

[screenthis]

The biggest issue to me is that the NCAA is just cherry picking some schools to attack and it's clear that there aren't any uniform violations that would apply to every member school - which is a giant RED flag.

Other schools have done worse or similar but aren't being attacked/investigated - how does the NCAA explain that?

That's exactly how it comes across. "Why they pickin on Us"?

 

[Orange.]

On a lighter note. Special moments of intimacy.

 

[peaygolf]

Classless

Classless and poor taste.........but not racist. jmo

 

[Orange_Crush]

I see both sides here. In a social media age, collegiate athletes have brand value. Squirrel White isn’t going to get a Nike shoe deal, but he could drive customer interest for a local business in a real way. Players should be free to promote what they want and get paid for it because freedom. If somebody will pay an irrational amount to an unproven college kid, that’s their right—just like I want somebody to buy my house for an irrational amount.

But it also requires a willing suspension of disbelief for Spyre to insist that its payments to Nico have nothing to do with Nico coming to Knoxville (or all the 5* to Missouri, etc.). We know what the contract says, but I’m less confident about what the emails and text messages are going to say. And the TN/VA lawsuit may let the NCAA subpoena all those records, something it could not do in a mere enforcement action.

The TN/VA case doesn't mention the UT investigation, as far as I can tell. It's a principle case on the unconstitutionality of the rule--not a specific lawsuit seeking to protect UT.

And for the record... My point is not whether NIL moneys are hidden salary. It's not whether each of these guys are worth the marketing money they are getting. It's the fact that the NCAA is preventing them from even trying to find out via free negotiation, in an effort to protect the colluded prevention of them freely negotiating a salary.

Folks are bemoaning the fact that they believe NIL is a renamed salary without asking why NIL would even need to be hidden as a salary. THE COLLUDED PREVENTION OF BOTH IS ILLEGAL!

Look, even if NIL is renamed salary, the fact that they are getting it proves that the market will bear their salaries!

 

[DD4ME]

We have gone from a black market to a gray market. It's time to just make pay for play a non talking point. That does not even mean they need to be paid employees it just means it should not matter. As far as contact periods etc that is a another stupid limitation of player rights. Just give the kids a do not call option. That means no party can contact you about NIL. It would be voluntary for the player, but NIL's could require it's use. Then anyone or institution that solicits a player on the list is in violation. Now the kid themselves would always have a legal right to initiate a conversation in the opposite direction, but that could be a contract breach which is a private matter not an NCAA one.

Do those two things and the NCAA's focus becomes much more focused.

 

[DD4ME]

Classless and poor taste.........but not racist. jmo

Racism, like harassment are ultimately defined by the receiving party. I cannot speak to their heart so I would simply say it is at least classless.

 

[Jackcrevol]

We have gone from a black market to a gray market. It's time to just make pay for play a non talking point. That does not even mean they need to be paid employees it just means it should not matter. As far as contact periods etc that is a another stupid limitation of player rights. Just give the kids a do not call option. That means no party can contact you about NIL. It would be voluntary for the player, but NIL's could require it's use. Then anyone or institution that solicits a player on the list is in violation. Now the kid themselves would always have a legal right to initiate a conversation in the opposite direction, but that could be a contract breach which is a private matter not an NCAA one.

Do those two things and the NCAA's focus becomes much more focused.

Sounds like what's already done when they sign that intent to sign document.

 

[screenthis]

Most people haven’t quite arrived at the reality that there are two ways forward: no limits, or collectively bargained limits.

If there was another way, the big professional leagues would have figured it out by now.

I'm not wanting 'no limits'

 

[volbeast33]

 

[franklinpence]

Lol

@butchna - got any Finish Him gifs?

This is a family site. Take your interest in Scandinavian men elsewhere.

 

[csprig9]

Lol
Gonna be a fight in this game
What a loser

 

[Nuctech777]

This isn't an actual courts issue. Tennessee politicians are grandstanding, it would be very difficult to get a court of law actually involved here when UT has voluntarily joined a private group and agreed to abide by its rules. A court would say "you're welcome to leave that group if you don't like their rules, it's just an academic country club."

And contracts that say "this is the reason we're doing this" are often disregarded. Do you really think any judge or jury would believe that Spyre would have given Nico 8 mil if he'd gone to Bama? That's the crux of your argument, that Spyre wanted Nico even if he went to Bama.

Booooooo

 

[SpringBokVol]

What is wrong with this dude.

 

[Jack Burton]

I just listened to Pat Forde and Dan Wetzel talk about Nico........(the name thing going around.)


Those two are idiots...........but racist remarks? Give me a break. That's not racist.

Definitely unprofessional. How am I supposed to take them seriously as unbiased journalists? When they act like that the impression I get is mouthpieces with agendas.

 

[LotteryPick]

He’s going to be absolutely abused in Neyland

 

[volbeast33]

What is wrong with this dude.

i tried to tell everyone that we were better off without him.

 

[ConwayFitty]

Realistically, big college sports are going professional. I couldn’t be honest and state otherwise.

That being the case, I think a “College Athletics League” with a commissioner is the only way forward. Anyone object to commissioner Charles Davis?

Donde Plowman for Commish

 

[Johnny Majors]

16 year old son has no curfew for Saturday nights starting Jan 1.

Feb 1st, you make a curfew of 11:45 PM...............Parent punishes said son for the 4 Saturdays he broke curfew.



Yea. That works.

But you don't just have one son, you've been quite the ladies man and you're paying child support for 20 sons. All of them have the same curfew but you only punish one...the one who is a little rowdy and who your uncle doesn't like because he broke his HS passing yards record.

 

[rikberry31]

After reading thoughts on the LS.

I'm starting to think through what ifs. What if there is no NCAA?

Who will take the mantle of rules enforcement? There HAS to be some sort of agreed upon oversight.

SEC cant even agree on a scheduling format.

Before this lawsuit guess i'd always hated the NCAA. But was ambivalent to the possibly of dissolution.

What next? Should Washington step in with legislation governing enforcement? Seems like most logical step.

Should the States, er the conferences attempt to Unionize, er galvanize behind one Supreme Leader, er Emporer, er Commissioner?

There is too much money at stake. Athletes livlihood are at stake. Universities bottom lines. And then the folks who make a living working and supporting these Universities.

NCAA should look in the mirror as ask the pertinent questions, such as 'is what i'm doing best for this sport?'

'Is it more about us, or, student athlete?'

'Are Tennessee's transgressions truly that abhorrent, or, are we really just wanting to save face?'

'Should we just admit we're wrong?'

The outcome of this lawsuit, and the glacial impact it has dredging CFB along with it will have a detrimental effect. No way we go back to any shred of normalcy.

It is my sincere hope that someone with some sort of ability to make change will smack NCAA on the nose with newspaper and say 'no'. 'Bad boy.' And that they will make necessary changes. Unfortunately, being honest I dont think their collective egos will allow that.

TN will have to leave the NCAA.

The conferences created the NCAA and will do something if it goes away. One of the biggest problems the NCAA has in terms of big time football is that they don't control the playoffs like they do in basketball and baseball. The NCAA has become irrelevant as far as Power 2 Football is concerned.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think that is very elegant. Very close to what UT will say in court. And what the court will most likely side with.

Sorry, don't mean to harass or double down, but if I'm reading correctly, both you and @jave36 seem to be confusing this? UT will probably never make this argument in court, as UT isn't in court about this. My hope is that UT will never make the defensive case that, "We paid them NIL and it was OK because..."

UT is fighting the NCAA in an NCAA investigation. They may one day take the NCAA to court against their enforcement. But I suspect that'd be facts-based arguments about the Spyre contract, plane rides, and the like. It'd be just the opposite of this line of argument--i.e. "Look, we never paid the athlete a penny in NIL!"

The AG case is about these principles, independent of UT.

However, if the AG case wins it'll affect UT's investigation, as the entire NCAA investigation will be seeking to enforce unconstitutional rules.

 

[volinbama256]

Drive by---

I assume TAMU buying their team (I'm sure everything was done legal to the letter), Dabo filming himself flying on a private jet with three other recuits, the Olineman talking about Iowa contacting him midseason, the other kid interviewed talking about how 5 schools contacted him with dollar amounts if he entered the portal, and mountains of other evidence will be part of our defense in court? It's absolutely hilarious the amount of similar evidence that is all over media and yet they are picking on us...

Oh, and F Reece Davis- anything that comes out of that jack-leg's mouth is trash. He tipped his hand (we already knew) how much he hates TN when he left us off the final poll at the end of the season, and kept Iowa on at #17...

Hopefully sooner than later the NCAA will be dead.

Will be interesting to see if any other programs jump on board in the lawsuit.

Donde is HIM...

 

[Weezer]

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

What is wrong with this dude.

He’s a prima Donna and this is exactly how primary Donna’s act.

 

[MarcoVol]

Drive by---

I assume TAMU buying their team (I'm sure everything was done legal to the letter), Dabo filming himself flying on a private jet with three other recuits, the Olineman talking about Iowa contacting him midseason, the other kid interviewed talking about how 5 schools contacted him with dollar amounts if he entered the portal, and mountains of other evidence will be part of our defense in court? It's absolutely hilarious the amount of similar evidence that is all over media and yet they are picking on us...

Oh, and F Reece Davis- anything that comes out of that jack-leg's mouth is trash. He tipped his hand (we already knew) how much he hates TN when he left us off the final poll at the end of the season, and kept Iowa on at #17...

Hopefully sooner than later the NCAA will be dead.

Will be interesting to see if any other programs jump on board in the lawsuit.

Donde is HIM...

You’re assuming there won’t be more announcements in the future about other programs being investigated