Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Jackcrevol]

What is their meritorious argument?

“...our membership has steadfastly supported the prohibition on impermissible recruiting contacts, booster involvement in recruiting prospects and the use of NIL offers as recruiting inducements.”

To me, it says they want to govern contact, and booster involvement. Agree someone needs to step in and deal with the issues at hand.

The problem is retroactive punishment for vague laws that are enforced on a case by case basis, with no uniformity.

What you do for one you do for the other.

How much easier would the job be if there were a set standard to hold people to account? But that would require proactiveness. As AP stated on the PC Thurs, they arent the entity to do that.

There is irony in their argument, as yes it may have some validity, but that's its waaay past its prime.

 

[Orange_Crush]

“...our membership has steadfastly supported the prohibition on impermissible recruiting contacts, booster involvement in recruiting prospects and the use of NIL offers as recruiting inducements.”

To me, it says they want to govern contact, and booster involvement. Agree someone needs to step in and deal with the issues at hand.

The problem is retroactive punishment for vague laws that are enforced on a case by case basis, with no uniformity.

What you do for one you do for the other.

How much easier would the job be if there were a set standard to hold people to account? But that would require proactiveness. As AP stated on the PC Thurs, they arent the entity to do that.

There is irony in their argument, as yes it may have some validity, but that's its waaay past its prime.

Another problem is that they changed the definition of "booster" after the fact, and then went back to apply it with a cardboard box time machine.

That robs it of merit.

Apparently, Spyre can only be considered recruitment if seen through the definition change. Otherwise, they are a sports management company courting a potential client, who signed a contract that is valid no matter where he attends school.

It sounds like the NCAA went through a mountain of communication and found no evidence that UT staff were involved with the trips. So... The NCAA changed the definition of "Booster" and time traveled.

 

[Jimmy Football]

“...our membership has steadfastly supported the prohibition on impermissible recruiting contacts, booster involvement in recruiting prospects and the use of NIL offers as recruiting inducements.”

To me, it says they want to govern contact, and booster involvement. Agree someone needs to step in and deal with the issues at hand.

The problem is retroactive punishment for vague laws that are enforced on a case by case basis, with no uniformity.

What you do for one you do for the other.

How much easier would the job be if there were a set standard to hold people to account? But that would require proactiveness. As AP stated on the PC Thurs, they arent the entity to do that.

There is irony in their argument, as yes it may have some validity, but that's its waaay past its prime.

With all due respect, Jack,

 

[BigOrange15]

I hope you're not an architect. Or an engineer for that matter. Or a doctor for another matter. Or counting my change back to me.

I identify as someone who makes as much as those.

 

[peaygolf]

February 2, 1959 - The Dyatlov Pass Incident

Watch the documentary if you have not

Nine Russian hikers were killed on the night of February 2nd while trekking in the Ural Mountains. The Soviet government originally attributed a “compelling natural force” as the cause.

They had planned to send a message back to their sports club about three weeks after taking off; so when the club didn’t hear from them by February 20, a search party set out to find the hikers.

Over the next couple of weeks, the search party found the first five of the hiker’s bodies spread out over the snow. They were in various states of dress and had bizarre injuries, with one appearing to have bitten off part of his own knuckle.

Months later, after some snow melt, investigators discovered the bodies of the remaining four hikers. They had even more inexplicable injuries. One had a fractured skull, another had a twisted neck, two were missing their eyes and one of the bodies with no eyes was also missing her tongue.

The gruesome fate of the nine hikers has generated theories ranging from natural disasters to secret weapons testing to an attack by yetis. Although some theories are more plausible than others, the “Dyatlov Pass incident,” as it is known, remains a contentious and unsolved mystery.







Photos are of one tent that was cut from the inside and the other was taken of a mysterious figure by one of the hikers.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Another problem is that they changed the definition of "booster" after the fact, and then went back to apply it with a cardboard box time machine.

That robs it of merit.

I mean, it’s also probably illegal. At the very least, we’ll get some clarity on that before this is over.

 

[rikberry31]

“...our membership has steadfastly supported the prohibition on impermissible recruiting contacts, booster involvement in recruiting prospects and the use of NIL offers as recruiting inducements.”

To me, it says they want to govern contact, and booster involvement. Agree someone needs to step in and deal with the issues at hand.

The problem is retroactive punishment for vague laws that are enforced on a case by case basis, with no uniformity.

What you do for one you do for the other.

How much easier would the job be if there were a set standard to hold people to account? But that would require proactiveness. As AP stated on the PC Thurs, they arent the entity to do that.

There is irony in their argument, as yes it may have some validity, but that's its waaay past its prime.

They destroy their own argument. Besides the rules they "steadfastly support" have already been determined to be in violation of antitrust law.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[Orange_Crush]

February 2, 1959 - The Dyatlov Pass Incident

Watch the documentary if you have not

Nine Russian hikers were killed on the night of February 2nd while trekking in the Ural Mountains. The Soviet government originally attributed a “compelling natural force” as the cause.

They had planned to send a message back to their sports club about three weeks after taking off; so when the club didn’t hear from them by February 20, a search party set out to find the hikers.

Over the next couple of weeks, the search party found the first five of the hiker’s bodies spread out over the snow. They were in various states of dress and had bizarre injuries, with one appearing to have bitten off part of his own knuckle.

Months later, after some snow melt, investigators discovered the bodies of the remaining four hikers. They had even more inexplicable injuries. One had a fractured skull, another had a twisted neck, two were missing their eyes and one of the bodies with no eyes was also missing her tongue.

The gruesome fate of the nine hikers has generated theories ranging from natural disasters to secret weapons testing to an attack by yetis. Although some theories are more plausible than others, the “Dyatlov Pass incident,” as it is known, remains a contentious and unsolved mystery.

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Photos are of one tent that was cut from the inside and the other was taken of a mysterious figure by one of the hikers.

Weezer?

 

[peaygolf]

Weezer?

Crap..............Why did I not think of THAT!

 

[Jackcrevol]

Here is the real fallacy. It only has merit if you cling to their tired trope. They are trying to apply pre NIL philosophy to an NIL world. That philosophy limits player opportunity which has already been upheld as undeniable. You cannot do both genuinely. The NCAA might weasel some way into hitting us with something. But if they do, they just told EVERY other major program they might to them to. They cannot afford a mutiny.

Even if they nip our heels I promise you these eggs are cracked and TN broke them for good.

I agree, to an extent.

Thanos may not have the stones, but he's still Thanos. Even if he's retired.

Point is they still carry weight. Their point has some validity to it. But, its just too late.

Merit was a bad choice of words. That is deserving of praise. NCAA needs to be put in its place. Overhauled, or dissolved.

A tired argument. Valid to an extent yes. Applied as a grasping-at-straws attempt to grab power, after the fact. Maybe Tennessee shouldnt have let Nico ride a jet? Answer the call. Slap on the wrist.

Positive reinforcement, coupled with stern language wouldve allowed all parties to move ahead. Instead, they've painted themselves into a corner.

There are 9000 other more pressing issues to deal with, such as tampering, one.

Really, this is like asking a Scientist to analyze a massive area of land. 'Let's look at Yellowstone's Geothermal features but use this magnifying glass.' This will allow us to make rules and enforce them, for all National Parks. It will only take 150 years to finish. Then we can go back and hold everyone accountable who have contributed to these issues.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

 

[Orange_Crush]

I agree, to an extent.

Thanos may not have the stones, but he's still Thanos. Even if he's retired.

Point is they still carry weight. Their point has some validity to it. But, its just too late.

Merit was a bad choice of words. That is deserving of praise. NCAA needs to be put in its place. Overhauled, or dissolved.

A tired argument. Valid to an extent yes. Applied as a grasping-at-straws attempt to grab power, after the fact. Maybe Tennessee shouldnt have let Nico ride a jet? Answer the call. Slap on the wrist.

Positive reinforcement, coupled with stern language wouldve allowed all parties to move ahead. Instead, they've painted themselves into a corner.

There are 9000 other more pressing issues to deal with, such as tampering, one.

Really, this is like asking a Scientist to analyze a massive area of land. 'Let's look at Yellowstone's Geothermal features but use this magnifying glass.' This will allow us to make rules and enforce them, for all National Parks. It will only take 150 years to finish. Then we can go back and hold everyone accountable who have contributed to these issues.

Not to be pedantic, but is "valid" a good choice of words? "Valid" as in logical and ethical? Or "valid" from the perspective of "might makes right"?

Because if it's "might makes right", IMO that is invalid at a principle level.

 

[InVOLuntary]

How do you know he signed after and it does? Have you read any of the stuff about this situation at all? Spyre said basically what I mentioned. He was signed for his potential as an NFL QB, not as an inducement to come to UT. Easy to infer the signing was before he committed here.

Football commitments are irrelevant here. We know commitment one day de-commitment the next day. It's signing that really matters here. He inked his deal with Spyre months ahead of signing. He had zero obligation to sign with Tennessee. He could have signed with any school and it not have affected his contract with Spyre. I remember Ewers signing a big NIL deal and attended OSU. Nothing was said because it was independent of his signing with OSU. Difference is they are part of the "protected class". I really don't think the NCAA has a leg to stand on. JMO.

 

[COOKEVOL]

What side of concrete are you on? Finishing or ready mix?

If in New Jersey, probably the footwear division.

 

[DD4ME]

I agree, to an extent.

Thanos may not have the stones, but he's still Thanos. Even if he's retired.

Point is they still carry weight. Their point has some validity to it. But, its just too late.

Merit was a bad choice of words. That is deserving of praise. NCAA needs to be put in its place. Overhauled, or dissolved.

A tired argument. Valid to an extent yes. Applied as a grasping-at-straws attempt to grab power, after the fact. Maybe Tennessee shouldnt have let Nico ride a jet? Answer the call. Slap on the wrist.

Positive reinforcement, coupled with stern language wouldve allowed all parties to move ahead. Instead, they've painted themselves into a corner.

There are 9000 other more pressing issues to deal with, such as tampering, one.

Really, this is like asking a Scientist to analyze a massive area of land. 'Let's look at Yellowstone's Geothermal features but use this magnifying glass.' This will allow us to make rules and enforce them, for all National Parks. It will only take 150 years to finish. Then we can go back and hold everyone accountable who have contributed to these issues.

Fair point

 

[Jackcrevol]

They destroy their own argument. Besides the rules they "steadfastly support" have already been determined to be in violation of antitrust law.

I agree. I'm saying their point is valid to an extent. But, is too little too late. Ergo, this is a giant waste o' time.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Not to be pedantic, but is "valid" a good choice of words? "Valid" as in logical and ethical? Or "valid" from the perspective of "might makes right"?

Because if it's "might makes right", IMO that is invalid at a principle level.

I was waiting in line for my coffee.

You may be right. I may be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let me get the engine turned over before we start talking levels.

 

[InVOLuntary]

UT has not received the official NOA. But if the NCAA is throwing around LOIC, they think they have multiple L1 and L2 violations-- enough to hit UT with LOIC as a repeat violator. UT obviously thinks not.

But... when you're cherry-picking programs to selectively enforce rules that didn't even exist when an SA was recruited-- while redefining entities to be something other than what they were legally established to be-- then you can probably manufacture a laundry list of violations on the fly.

I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I was waiting in line for my coffee.

You may be right. I may be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let me get the engine turned over before we start talking levels.

Well, we can probably both agree that coffee == good.

 

[volsfan_17]

@Orange_Crush

You seem to be up to speed on the ongoing and procedural matters from a law perspective.

How do you see this recent lawsuit against the NCAA from and antitrust perspective in regards to the multiple lawsuits currently in play about players as employee status? (NCPA v NCAA, Johnson v NCAA). If at all?

 

[eVOLve]

Forward progress vs Purdue
Music City vs North Carolina
Pig Howard's fumble through the end zone
Peyton not winning the Heisman

Heisman is just a popularity contest

 

[Jackcrevol]

They destroy their own argument. Besides the rules they "steadfastly support" have already been determined to be in violation of antitrust law.

i think that's how the courts will view.

Tennessee is in essence, going to build a case that NCAA has lost institutional control. And, it's a compelling argument.

NCAA may have a somewhat decent argument. But really more I think about it, I cannot see anyway this ends well for them, because of the precedence set by courts.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Well, we can probably both agree that coffee == good.

This is round 1.

Siete menos quince, run to get milk, study spelling test, move cars, help fedex, drop off 2 minions, drop off last minion, get coffee, lastly, fix the NCAA lawsuit, argue with Orange Crush...

Who's ready for the weekend?

 

[volsfan_17]

I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.

Couldn't the argument be made that UT has been damaged due to the perception created by leaking the upcoming NOA?

Damage to the brand, to our recruiting efforts (which I believe was the intended consequence to begin with)?