Recruiting Football Talk VII

[volbeast33]

They threw out LOIC...that is what they destroyed USC for years with...this was always going to be a fight to the death once they attacked us.

Plus...they aren't just going after Football but all of our sports with players getting NIL deals...so the Admin had no choice but to fight or have a nuked Atheltic Department.

Shouldn’t have ever invited them on campus….. live and learn!!

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

LIam Coen ditches Kensucky again.

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[rgvol]

LSU probably next to get investigated

 

[InVOLuntary]

UT is not going to get destroyed. But it is a distraction we don't need and it is adding an extra layer to recruiting. Coaches are having to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about infractions and keeping players and recruits looped in when they need and want to be focused on the team.

Investigations are always a concern because they create uncertainty, which diverts focus and mental energy from other activities. You're right-- the NCAA engaged, so we have to fight. It puts a burden on those who don't deserve it, but knowing leadership has their back is reassuring. it's unfinished business, and we have to finish it to move forward.

And I would expect the NCAA knows they will probably lose eventually. So this is having the desired effect. They're hoping the uncertainty diminishes our ability to recruit. I think they probably thought TN would just be much less aggressive in NIL. I'm my opinion we do the opposite, we become more aggressive. Dot all the I's amd cross all the T's but turn this into the opposite of what they thought would happen.

 

[butchna]

It seems to me that the universities that make up the NCAA have been at a loss on how to deal with the infractions committee every since the courts granted NIL. The reality is, the infractions committee may be about to rain down billions in losses from court cases. How will they pay? The committee operates at a loss and athletic departments across the country don't have that kind of extra cheese laying around.

I don't find universities to be very good at dealing with the real world.

Getting the STATES involved.

 

[Volnut]

BTW,

I saw on X or here, someone mentioned what a coincidence it was that we've had NICO for a while now, signed, enrolled, and has gone through an entire season with us, and we hear NOTHING from the NCAA (If they had an issue, it would have and should have come to light when he actually signed last year)... We hit the bowl game, he finally plays, and he freakin balls out, shows how truly ELITE he is and what an incredible talent and threat he is about to become, and WOW, look at that, here comes the NCAA specifically targeting US and NICO... can't make this 'ish up...

Anyone who thinks for whatever reason, UT doesn't have a bullseye on it's back constantly from the NCAA, officials, and other programs, just look at the lack of penalties on our opponents in football once we started the year hot, when we hear and see the negative recruiting from other programs, look at baseball and what has happened over the past two seasons once we got Tony V and surged into the spotlight and became elite, , and now look at how biased the calls/officiating is going in basketball... Too many negative coincidences ...

I think it's been mentioned, but the NCAA was not happy that we didn't get punished enough for the Pruitt fiasco and here we are!

 

[JacketVol]

That's the one

Teddy V Pat Adam’s and Show hate us more than any other.

 

[volinexile17]

The NCAA can’t stand up in a court law and argue Spyre is connected to a university without some type of proof…like actual documentation (paper stubs, emails, etc) that link the university. Danny White has already come out and said they couldn’t find anything on that so they moved the goalpost and are going with just calling Spyre a “booster”

The NCAA can allege whatever it wants. People allege things that are exaggerated or untrue in court all the time. The discovery process exists so parties can go prove/disprove their allegations and defenses.

 

[Volnut]

Hopefully they took him to Sam & Andy's to show him how good the Ffrench Fries are!

 

[butchna]

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

What’s funny is Liem Coen was instrumental in Brock Vamdergrigf and Cuter Boley committing to Kensucky. Same with a few of the receivers they landed.

It’ll be interesting to see if there is any fall out on him leaving (again)

 

[volbeast33]

Saban = Charmin soft




Entertaining article though - ESPN

so Saban was like a mobster playing golf….. Where did my ball go? His assistant yells back….. Another Hole in One, Boss. I can respect that.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I agree but thought that was interesting. I think what Tennessee, the AG would be arguing is that The Volunteer Club is a collective of boosters. That limits what/when/where a student athlete can be in contact. It's sound like to me the NCAA says you can do NIL you just have to do it after the player signs with a university so it can't be a factor in which school the SA chooses. That's a very weak argument in my opinion. It's a chicken or egg type of thing.

Nico: "I hear there's a great NIL marketing company in Knoxville, TN. I think I'll visit them to see what opportunities that exist."
Nico: "This Spyre thing is very appealing, I think I'll sign with them."
Nico: "I wonder if there is a university close by that I could play football that would best prepare me for the NFL, life in general, and increase my brand?"
Nico: "The University of Tennessee is there, I like everything about Knoxville and the University, I think I'll sign there."

The NCAA can't limit a person from signing with any sports agency at any time. Whether that's in high school, college, whatever. That's already been adjudicated in court. If there is a separation between the university and the and the sports agency and there is in this case, there's nothing the NCAA can do. I think that's where the lawsuit is headed.

I would think, @LA Vol can confirm, if the NCAA does come after the UT AD, I would think the University would file it's own lawsuit independent of the AG's lawsuit. I definitely think that the NCAA is about to get hit from many angles. The NCAA may just be litigated into obscurity.

Another thing, I saw another YouTube video where the guy was asking another lawyer if teams could just pull out of the NCAA. He said yes but he wouldn't expect it. Said at the conference level it was much more likely. He mentioned that if Sankey decided to just pull the trigger that that would end the NCAA in one fail swoop.

I know this is a long post but I've always thought the NCAA has multiple times overstepped their bounds. The stuff at Penn State comes to mind. While that stuff was abhorrent and the people that made that stuff possible deserved whatever they got and probably more. I never understood how the NCAA had any jurisdiction in that case. It had nothing to do with the AD with the exception of it was a crime on university property. That should have been only prosecuted criminally and civilly. I don't see how the NCAA had any business in there. JMO

Yup, agree on it all. I do think another lawsuit could definitely come about if NOA were given but depends on the allegations and if it’s tied to NIL. Who knows what those assholes will try and make up.

On the bolded, this is the main crux of the lawsuit if I interpreted everything I’ve read about it correctly.

Say a player is choosing between School A and B. He's gathered all the information about the school, team, coaches, etc., but due to NCAA NIL ‘guidelines’ he isn’t able to know which school would have the better evaluation on his NIL opportunities.. so he chooses school A. Behind the scenes, School A’s collective is willing to sign him for 100k. School B would have been willing to sign him for 200k. So the player, not knowing those numbers before hand, made a decision that cost him 100k. That’s not a fair and competitive market because it was taken away due to these guidelines. But it’s not his fault, it’s the NCAAs. The NCAA neutered his fair market competition and his ability to know his true valuation of his services with their ‘guidelines’.

 

[densojb3]

LIam Coen ditches Kensucky again.

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Too long didn't read.

 

[butchna]

I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.

The NCAA can back off…and live to fight another day, but I wouldn’t bet on it. New NCAA dude has been Napoleon on NIL from day one of his tenure…and he wants his Waterloo.

 

[BigOrange15]

I think it's been mentioned, but the NCAA was not happy that we didn't get punished enough for the Pruitt fiasco and here we are!

How they gonna be mad when they were the ones that handed the punishment down? lol

 

[jpope9]

This is the new problem at the NCAA. They don't have to follow legal answers for NIL anymore. They can choose to convict on logical assumption instead.

That's my biggest read on the anger coming from Donde, Danny, and Spyre's public statements, from their perspective. They did everything they could to LEGALLY abide by NCAA and California NIL rules. (as of Mar. 2022 when Nico signed).

In May of 2022 NCAA publicly stated they would consider a Collective a booster.

In Jan. of 2023 the NCAA changed their bylaws to allow circumstantial evidence to be used to convict a member institution in matters associated with NIL. In other words, the University must PROVE a negative (Look at all of our messages, we didn't cheat), instead of the NCAA proving a positive (we found direct evidence you cheated.)

UT feels they abided by the law of the land in Mar. of 2022, and that there is no evidence to say otherwise, but the NCAA can simply disagree and we are found guilty. If there is a need for a lawsuit in this situation, THIS is the part that Spyre, UT, and Nico can possibly stand on.

but here is where the NCAA will die at, their law cannot exceed state and federal laws.

They would lose in a california court for NIL and they would def lose in a federal since the Supreme Court 9-0 has already made that a reality.

 

[Jimmy Football]

LSU probably next to get investigated

If that happens, the NCAA people better make sure to steer clear of the bayous…

 

[jpope9]

The NCAA can back off…and live to fight another day, but I wouldn’t bet on it. New NCAA dude has been Napoleon on NIL from day one of his tenure…and he wants his Waterloo.

got a nice block of land for him when he does...

 

[ConwayFitty]

I would love it if we get a commit from another 5 star during this week of headlines! Just a giant middle finger to the NCAA

 

[Kristy*]

Big thanks to the NCAA for giving the board ample things to discuss in the off-season instead of the annual Jordan vs Lebron debate.

Tennessee's off-season is July.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

How they gonna be mad when they were the ones that handed the punishment down? lol

No doubt that sums up the way they are. The NCAA has no true leadership, there are a segment of them that are the true Wild West, they love to dictate who holds keeps the strong hands and who’s hands they love to keep slapping. If anyone truly believes the NCAA is doing a good job needs to have their hands examined. They have been a cherry picking dysfunctional leader that has caused all this with no direction from what a leader should be. GBO

 

[Sugaray13]

Teddy V Pat Adam’s and Show hate us more than any other.

So you are saying this will be our crew for the Kentucky game!!

 

[utkevdawg1]

Tennessee's off-season is July.

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Oh for sure!

We will STILL be talking about developments with the NCAA

 

[rgvol]

If that happens, the NCAA people better make sure to steer clear of the bayous…

Very true