Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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MoCo_Vol said:
It was called illegal touching not ineligible player, and I just said they let the play go for illegal touching.
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That's not the correct way to do it. You don't wait for someone to touch it. It doesn't matter if anyone touches it, it could have sailed out of the back of the endzone and it's still a foul. You don't let the play go to see if someone touches it. Ever. If someone covered up goes downfield, you throw the flag immediately when the ball is thrown.

So it's a DOUBLE level of incompetence if he waited to see if he touched it in addition to thinking someone was covered up when he clearly wasn't. Which is why people are suspicious, that level of incompetence is just so unlikely at that level of officiating.
 
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jave36 said:
That's not the correct way to do it. You don't wait for someone to touch it. It doesn't matter if anyone touches it, it could have sailed out of the back of the endzone and it's still a foul. You don't let the play go to see if someone touches it. Ever. If someone covered up goes downfield, you throw the flag immediately when the ball is thrown.

So it's a DOUBLE level of incompetence if he waited to see if he touched it in addition to thinking someone was covered up when he clearly wasn't. Which is why people are suspicious, that level of incompetence is just so unlikely at that level of officiating.
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I'm telling you how the penalty is enforced man, your opinion of how it works doesn't matter. If the ball is outside the endzone no one would have illegally touched the ball and no penalty, if the CB had intercepted it BEFORE Williams touched it also no penalty. It's not that complicated.

Ryan Williams WASN'T covered up though so it shouldn't have been illegal touching anyway.

If you review the ineligible downfield they also WAIT until the catch is made to call that, because if the QB runs there is no foul even if the OL is 20 yards down field.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I'm telling you how the penalty is enforced man, your opinion of how it works doesn't matter. If the ball is outside the endzone no one would have illegally touched the ball and no penalty, if the CB had intercepted it BEFORE Williams touched it also no penalty. It's not that complicated.

Ryan Williams WASN'T covered up though so it shouldn't have been illegal touching anyway.

If you review the ineligible downfield they also WAIT until the catch is made to call that, because if the QB runs there is no foul even if the OL is 20 yards down field.
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No, you're just wrong here man. This is not my opinion, this is literally in the rule book and in the mechanics book and in the case book.

It IS a penalty for illegal man downfield regardless if anyone catches the ball or not. Even if it's intercepted, it's still a penalty if a covered up WR goes beyond the LOS and the QB throws the ball beyond the LOS.

And no, they do not wait until the catch is made to call ineligible downfield. They wait until the ball is thrown, because if the QB runs it's not a penalty. But if the QB throws and nobody catches it or touches it, it's still a penalty. There are tons of ineligible downfield penalties called on incomplete passes.
 
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jave36 said:
No, you're just wrong here man. This is not my opinion, this is literally in the rule book and in the mechanics book and in the case book.

It IS a penalty for illegal man downfield regardless if anyone catches the ball or not. Even if it's intercepted, it's still a penalty if a covered up WR goes beyond the LOS and the QB throws the ball beyond the LOS.

And no, they do not wait until the catch is made to call ineligible downfield. They wait until the ball is thrown, because if the QB runs it's not a penalty. But if the QB throws and nobody catches it or touches it, it's still a penalty. There are tons of ineligible downfield penalties called on incomplete passes.
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There is no illegal touching UNLESS an ineligible player touches the ball. I'm not wrong on that.

And for the last time (I hope) it WAS NOT ILLEGAL MAN DOWNFIELD. A WR wearing an eligible jersey number CANNOT be an ineligible player, but they CAN be flagged for illegal touching.

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MoCo_Vol said:
I mean if we're counting JuCo, gotta give some credit to Elarbee for Jeremiah Crawford.

The problem right now with Glen imo is just that everywhere he's ever been 3 star talent was enough.

He's having trouble landing (and keeping) the higher rated guys in his tenure at UT.

Warren is TBD
Nichols left
Satterwhite is TBD
Nic Moore = not on campus yet
David Sanders = not on campus yet
Umarov is TBD
Brandon Anderson = not on campus yet
Max Anderson is TBD


That's all the 4 star and better he's recruited here.
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I bet Rodney would be a great OL coach. I wonder if we can get him to coach both, 😂
 
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volinexile17 said:
OL is a developmental position.

‘21 - Pruitt class. No real chance to recruit.
‘22 - recruited under threat of NCAA sanctions. Didn’t work out.
‘23 - solid looking class but only sophomores now. Will know next season if any of those guys have developed and will contribute.
‘24 - very good class but only freshmen.
‘25 - 3 really good prospects.

Not sure where you’re expecting these contributors to come from at this point.
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Got production out of Cooper Mays and Jerome Spraggins who were no great shakes in their Covid freshman seasons. Long term entrenched starters and there was clamoring for Jerome Carvin to land the center job because of uncertainty that Cooper was an SEC level player.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
There is no illegal touching UNLESS an ineligible player touches the ball. I'm not wrong on that.
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Correct.

But there IS ineligible man downfield regardless of whether or not anyone touches it. And since most of the time an official at the line of scrimmage has no idea if someone 50+ yards away touches the ball first (if it's tipped by the DB it's not illegal touching, but the official at the LOS isn't close enough to see if the DB got a hand on it), the correct way to call it is to throw the flag immediately at the throw because a foul has been committed as soon as the ball is thrown. Even when the QB throws the ball out of bounds just to avoid a sack, it's still an ineligible man downfield penalty if a covered up WR went downfield.

So there's no reason for him to wait to throw the flag; it's actually a mechanics mistake to wait to throw the flag. And it's not a common mistake. Again, that would be like a NASA engineer turning the screwdriver the wrong way, it's that level of basic mistake to wait to throw the flag.
 
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