Recruiting Football Talk VIII


I like that take by Wes

The dude has turned it over egregiously and showed zero poise from HS, Penn St, Kentucky and now the Titans.

It proves that a lot of ppl in sports are just not very bright and especially don't understand probability.

How the Titans, or anyone in the NFL thought they could make Will Levis who WAS DOG CRAP at Kentucky into a SUPER BOWL WINNING QB, is beyond all reason. The probability of that happening is slim to none. There no precedent of that ever.

"Wow look at that arm and talent!"

"Turns it over egregiously in almost every game of his football career? No big deal. Pick 6's and fumbles galore, stares down receivers, holds onto the ball too often. Meh, we can get him good enough to beat out guys like PATRICK MAHOMES FOR SUPER BOWLS"

Omg guys, who coulda saw that not working out! Totally made sense to risk your future over that one!
 
Do you have any idea how organized crime and gambling works? Don’t answer that, you’re clueless.
There’s zero evidence beer causes intoxication.

Do you? Because the only way the sportsbooks would lose money long term on gambling would be if games were fixed. So seems like there’s a multi-billion dollar industry that has a very strong motive to find ant corruption immediately.

It’s a lot harder to fix games when you can’t hide your bets across multiple independent (illegal) bookies that can’t share any info versus a companies that share data with state gaming commissions to find any irregularity in betting patterns
 
I like that take by Wes

The dude has turned it over egregiously and showed zero poise from HS, Penn St, Kentucky and now the Titans.

It proves that a lot of ppl in sports are just not very bright and especially don't understand probability.

How the Titans, or anyone in the NFL thought they could make Will Levis who WAS DOG CRAP at Kentucky into a SUPER BOWL WINNING QB, is beyond all reason. The probability of that happening is slim to none. There no precedent of that ever.

"Wow look at that arm and talent!"

"Turns it over egregiously in almost every game of his football career? No big deal. Pick 6's and fumbles galore, stares down receivers, holds onto the ball too often. Meh, we can get him good enough to beat out guys like PATRICK MAHOMES FOR SUPER BOWLS"

Omg guys, who coulda saw that not working out! Totally made sense to risk your future over that one!
There's plenty of precedent of college QBs with raw talent putting it all together in the NFL but not in college.

Case in point, the two best QBs in the league this year, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

Should teams be banking on drafting QBs and on the Mahomes/Allen plan? I think that's debatable. But it's just wrong to act like it's completely unprecedented.

The difference between the Titans and the Colts is that the Titans missed on a 2nd round pick and the Colts missed in an identical way on the 4th overall pick. Vols fans who don't watch or know anything about the NFL want to act like it was some incomprehensible blunder that the Titans picked Levis. If there was even a 10% chance they could put Levis on the Josh Allen track to bring a franchise QB it was worth the risk as an early 2nd rounder. That's how the game is played in a world with the draft salary rules. The cost is so low, it's worth taking chances on QBs, even if the GM would freely admit behind closed doors that the probability of those picks working out is low.

And then there's the fact that in my entire lifetime there's been two "can't miss" prospects in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. It's hardly a skill to "predict" a QB to bust. They almost all bust, no matter where they are picked.
 
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Love D Samp and he’s a baller but don’t agree with this at all
While I believe Sampson is better, as well...I do not fault anyone who believes Jeanty is. The kid is amazing, and would be amazing in the SEC, too. He has almost 6000 career yards and 60 TDs in his career...he had over 40 catches for almost 600 yards last year. He can do anything.

However, what Sampson could do with 30+ carries in the MW....

 
There's plenty of precedent of college QBs with raw talent putting it all together in the NFL but not in college.

Case in point, the two best QBs in the league this year, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

Should teams be banking on drafting QBs and on the Mahomes/Allen plan? I think that's debatable. But it's just wrong to act like it's completely unprecedented.

The difference between the Titans and the Colts is that the Titans missed on a 2nd round pick and the Colts missed in an identical way on the 4th overall pick. Vols fans who don't watch or know anything about the NFL want to act like it was some incomprehensible blunder that the Titans picked Levis. If there was even a 10% chance they could put Levis on the Josh Allen track to bring a franchise QB it was worth the risk as an early 2nd rounder. That's how the game is played in a world with the draft salary rules. The cost is so low, it's worth taking chances on QBs, even if the GM would freely admit behind closed doors that the probability of those picks working out is low.

And then there's the fact that in my entire lifetime there's been two "can't miss" prospects in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. It's hardly a skill to "predict" a QB to bust. They almost all bust, no matter where they are picked.
Mahomes? The knock on him coming out of college was that he played at Texas Tech and was just was a system quarterback. As I recall, his college stats were phenomenal.
 
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I'm always confused at football announcers when they say "we would never speculate what the injury might be."

Why? What's wrong with speculating what an injury might be?
Commentators will say that as a players’ foot is twisted the wrong way, like they expect it could just be a sprain or something 😂
 
I like that take by Wes

The dude has turned it over egregiously and showed zero poise from HS, Penn St, Kentucky and now the Titans.

It proves that a lot of ppl in sports are just not very bright and especially don't understand probability.

How the Titans, or anyone in the NFL thought they could make Will Levis who WAS DOG CRAP at Kentucky into a SUPER BOWL WINNING QB, is beyond all reason. The probability of that happening is slim to none. There no precedent of that ever.

"Wow look at that arm and talent!"

"Turns it over egregiously in almost every game of his football career? No big deal. Pick 6's and fumbles galore, stares down receivers, holds onto the ball too often. Meh, we can get him good enough to beat out guys like PATRICK MAHOMES FOR SUPER BOWLS"

Omg guys, who coulda saw that not working out! Totally made sense to risk your future over that one!
Taking someone in the 2nd round isn't risking your future.
 
There's plenty of precedent of college QBs with raw talent putting it all together in the NFL but not in college.

Case in point, the two best QBs in the league this year, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

Should teams be banking on drafting QBs and on the Mahomes/Allen plan? I think that's debatable. But it's just wrong to act like it's completely unprecedented.

The difference between the Titans and the Colts is that the Titans missed on a 2nd round pick and the Colts missed in an identical way on the 4th overall pick. Vols fans who don't watch or know anything about the NFL want to act like it was some incomprehensible blunder that the Titans picked Levis. If there was even a 10% chance they could put Levis on the Josh Allen track to bring a franchise QB it was worth the risk as an early 2nd rounder. That's how the game is played in a world with the draft salary rules. The cost is so low, it's worth taking chances on QBs, even if the GM would freely admit behind closed doors that the probability of those picks working out is low.

And then there's the fact that in my entire lifetime there's been two "can't miss" prospects in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. It's hardly a skill to "predict" a QB to bust. They almost all bust, no matter where they are picked.
There's no way there was even a 1% chance he turns our to
There's plenty of precedent of college QBs with raw talent putting it all together in the NFL but not in college.

Case in point, the two best QBs in the league this year, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

Should teams be banking on drafting QBs and on the Mahomes/Allen plan? I think that's debatable. But it's just wrong to act like it's completely unprecedented.

The difference between the Titans and the Colts is that the Titans missed on a 2nd round pick and the Colts missed in an identical way on the 4th overall pick. Vols fans who don't watch or know anything about the NFL want to act like it was some incomprehensible blunder that the Titans picked Levis. If there was even a 10% chance they could put Levis on the Josh Allen track to bring a franchise QB it was worth the risk as an early 2nd rounder. That's how the game is played in a world with the draft salary rules. The cost is so low, it's worth taking chances on QBs, even if the GM would freely admit behind closed doors that the probability of those picks working out is low.

And then there's the fact that in my entire lifetime there's been two "can't miss" prospects in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. It's hardly a skill to "predict" a QB to bust. They almost all bust, no matter where they are picked.
It was 100% an incomprehensible blunder. Maybe not the worst blunder since we drafted him in the second, but in my days he is easily the most overhyped prospect I've ever seen. I couldn't believe the AR pick by the Colts either.

Who other than Josh Allen sucked ass that badly and made it in the NFL? And he still maybe flashed more than Levis.

Levis who had far better development against far better competition from HS through college. Benched at Penn St. Good coaches like Liam Coen at UK. Even in his best game in 2021 against our HORRENDOUS defense he still threw a telegraphed pick 6.

Allen didn't go to football camps, played in a tiny single A town in middle of nowhere CA, went to a tiny JUCO and played at Wyoming. Has a bigger arm and is a better athlete than Levis.

Most importantly, Levis had catastrophic turnover after catastrophic turnover that has costed every team he's been on time and time again. There is zero precedent for a guy getting over that to put it all together to WIN A SUPER BOWL. It's never happened and it would be a miracle if it did.

Think of the probability. How do you get a guy like Levis to stop with the egregious TO's? It's just like JG.

JG did that here for every coach, at WSU, in the NFL and the USFL (or whatever)


Levis should have been a late round pick. Total waste of time playing those odds. Insane.

It's wearing a mask to walk 5 feet to the bathroom logic.
 
Taking someone in the 2nd round isn't risking your future.
Ran Carthon will be fired and it all started with Will Levis' flip 6.

Literally if Will wasn't a walking disaster, the Titans are likely in the playoff hunt. Like if he just didn't make the most boneheaded plays in the history of football (which he has always done) the Titans start at least 3-1 4-1 and who knows what kind of moment that creates down the line. And yes then, the defense was number one in the NFL and almost won those games despite him being a total abomination.

Now they've just completely collapsed.
 
There's no way there was even a 1% chance he turns our to

It was 100% an incomprehensible blunder. Maybe not the worst blunder since we drafted him in the second, but in my days he is easily the most overhyped prospect I've ever seen. I couldn't believe the AR pick by the Colts either.

Who other than Josh Allen sucked ass that badly and made it in the NFL? And he still maybe flashed more than Levis.

Levis who had far better development against far better competition from HS through college. Benched at Penn St. Good coaches like Liam Coen at UK. Even in his best game in 2021 against our HORRENDOUS defense he still threw a telegraphed pick 6.

Allen didn't go to football camps, played in a tiny single A town in middle of nowhere CA, went to a tiny JUCO and played at Wyoming. Has a bigger arm and is a better athlete than Levis.

Most importantly, Levis had catastrophic turnover after catastrophic turnover that has costed every team he's been on time and time again. There is zero precedent for a guy getting over that to put it all together to WIN A SUPER BOWL. It's never happened and it would be a miracle if it did.

Think of the probability. How do you get a guy like Levis to stop with the egregious TO's? It's just like JG.

JG did that here for every coach, at WSU, in the NFL and the USFL (or whatever)


Levis should have been a late round pick. Total waste of time playing those odds. Insane.

It's wearing a mask to walk 5 feet to the bathroom logic.
When did Josh Allen ever suck? He was phenomenal at Wyoming. His sophomore year had almost 4k total yards and 35 td
 
Titans vs Bengals was a game of who wants to lose less. 10 total turnovers between the two teams. They are supposed to be professionals. All coaches and front office staffs should be fired and players contracts revoked for cause. The owners should both have to sell their teams to people who actually know what football is and will hire the personnel to build teams that actually know how to play football. Both fan bases deserve better than that steaming pile of dinosaur **** that those two teams dropped on the field today.
That game had 26 accepted penalties, 10 turnovers, and an easy TD dropped early for a touch back. Nearly all of the Titan's offense came against soft zone coverage after the game was in hand. Pure garbage.
 
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He’s exactly what he was at Kentucky and that’s a really bad quarterback. How any GM could draft him that high and then continue to trot him out on the field is malpractice. The Titans continue to compete with Charlotte for the worst run franchise in the NFL. The poor announcer is just speechless at how bad Levis is.

During his last two years in college, it seemed like a non-stop barrage from the media about how pro-ready he was and how he was going to be an incredible pro quarterback.

It just never made sense to me. They just seemed to continue to overlook his flaws in college and keep spouting the same thing.

It almost like the CFB media has to create a story like this every year to hype TV ratings or something. It's like closing your eyes and reaching into hat with a bunch of names and running with the name you blindly picked all year long.
 
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Pate picked up pieces of the stuff that went down behind the scenes. Basically big money and BOT wanted one guy, university admin wanted another. UNC did a pretty good job of getting everyone on the same page at the end but this doesn’t go well that whole program could unravel from boosters to admin. Reminds me a lot of us moreso of Auburn.

Just glad this kid decided not to go there.

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