Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[mr.checkerboards]

No domination is what we saw on Saturday.

Being up 10 - 0 after the 1st Q, tied at halftime, and down 1 possession with 3 mins left in the game is not domination in any situation.

No need to embellish the facts. We all watched the game.

Apparently not, or at least not with knowlesge.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Well yeah, he's fielding HC positions, he's done so damn well.

2016 - 28.8 ppg
2017 - 29.1 ppg

Mr Defensive Genius:
2018 - 27.9
2019 - 21.7
2020 - 30.1

Banks:
2021 - 29.1
2022 - 22.8
2023 - 20.3
2024 - 16.1

Fools gold. We played a lot of bad teams this year. The 2 good pffenses we played torched us.

 

[tyonthefly93]

I’m not suggesting everything was great because some of you think we have to pick sides. But as I posted before, Howard was the best QB when pressured and elite in man coverage. Could we have done some different things? Sure. But it’s not all that simple. We played man at times, and we played zone at times. I’m going to say the Chip Kelly scheme had a lot to do with it because they ran crossers, and that will kill pressure, too.

No problem in that thought. Some of it was probably lack of execution. However, our db’s are good enough to hold up in man coverage, but they can’t defend a perfect route and throw. Howard is not an elite QB overall, and as good as he might be under pressure, no QB is going to dice you up when he’s getting heat all night. We never made him uncomfortable in the pocket.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

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And yet we’re supposed to have some all powerful NIL group that’s “killing it” in recruiting. Again, I have yet to see any of that outside of Nico and Sanders. So where are the results? Florida has been for three years under Billy and still cracks the top 10, and will probably be better than us next year based on how they ended things this year. It may be BVS, but I’m not optimistic.

 

[Devo182]

Josh Pate said talking to the two staffs before the game that Ohio State loved the matchup while Tennessee staff felt like they were out matched and needed a lot of things to go their way to pull off a win. So if you feel like that as a staff what do you need to do to change that feeling before you go into these big time Primetime games?

More talent.

But also, not go into a true road game...vs top 3 talent...at night...in 15 degree weather.

That was a once-a-decade confluence of crap we had to face

Give us the #10-#12 seeds and we would have been much better off. Or better yet, a home game.

Is what it is. Need more $$ and better talent, that will never not be true.

 

[JT3]

Fools gold. We played a lot of bad teams this year. The 2 good pffenses we played torched us.

Let me ask you question.

So if somebody said going into the season that our Defense would hold opponents to 16 points a game, what would you say?

 

[Devo182]

Pulling for:
BSU
ASU
ND
Oregon

While it'd be hilarious if either of BSU or ASU won, if they don't, then I hope they're huge blowouts.

Need to do away with this garbage seeding dogmatism.

 

[VolGee4]

No problem in that thought. Some of it was probably lack of execution. However, our db’s are good enough to hold up in man coverage, but they can’t defend a perfect route and throw. Howard is not an elite QB overall, and as good as he might be under pressure, no QB is going to dice you up when he’s getting heat all night. We never made him uncomfortable in the pocket.

I don’t disagree, but the deep throws all night were perfect, some on man coverage. Howard threw the ball really well. One throw was between our safety’s arms.

 

[LotteryPick]

Against bad offenses, we played 2 good teams all year and the defense got destroyed.

It’s not a coincidence those performances happened after Pili went down

 

[JCVol00]

It’s just incredibly frustrating watching games where we arent getting pressure rushing 4, have lbs in coverage and they get lost 2 seconds into the play and the qb can comfortably make throws. It seems like our cbs were on islands the entire game despite having our lbs/safeties in coverage, but they weren’t able to provide help. It’s frustrating that because of this fact we didn’t bring blitzes to try and fluster the qb since our coverage-or lack there of- wasn’t effective. Same thing against uga, Arkansas, and even florida and kentucky at times

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Let me ask you question.

So if somebody said going into the season that our Defense would hold opponents to 16 points a game, what would you say?

Show me who they played

 

[Revived2002]

Tournament basketball is often about matchups

Your strengths and weaknesses versus theirs, and occasionally you are better overall than a team, but you just don’t match up well. You get used to it. Make the tournament every year, hope for good matchups and break through more times than not. Have great players and keep coming year after year.

In college football, fans think their team needs to be able to beat all teams everywhere in any scenario, spanning both time and space. My team needs not only to beat Ohio State tomorrow on the road with half our best players missing in 15 degree weather, but it needs to be better than Joe Burrow’s Tigers or Miami 2001 while doing it, otherwise heads need to roll and Knoxville needs to be burned to the ground. There is no future, no chance to learn and build and recognize matchups matter. Just burn it all down and start over from the scratch!

 

[JCVol00]

It’s also frustrating that osu was getting pressure rushing 4, and that we werent keeping TE’s in to help block, and our rbs weren’t good in pass protection either. I think if we went 12 personnel we could have been able to establish the run and kept it close. Either way though, in all of our losses under Heupel, the lack of in game and halftime adjustments has been killing us and extremely frustrating

 

[LotteryPick]

They HAVE to get more athletic at LB. Aside from solidifying Nico’s protection, that’s imo, the biggest need.

Both UGA and OSU abused our linebackers. UGA exposed them and OSU just took what was on film and applied.

I love the class coming in and think Harmon may be instant impact, but they need a bridge guy.

 

[tyonthefly93]

I don’t disagree, but the deep throws all night were perfect, some on man coverage. Howard threw the ball really well. One throw was between our safety’s arms.

Right! And that’s what pressure should prevent.

 

[JT3]

Show me who they played

They played the 8th toughest strength of schedule.

 

[Devo182]

3 days ago everything was fine and we were all pumped about the future of the program. The players/coaches aren’t as nearly emotional about a bad game as we are.

Was it a bad game? Yes! That does not mean the sky is falling inside the building

Lol so much this.

The level of overreaction and fragility is wild.

We went from being way too far down after UGA, to being on top of the world (and a lot of people wildly talking smack about OSU...) the last few weeks. Now this. Just wild emotional swings and overreactions at every point. Little sense of the middle ground reality.

I can see why many would make such poor leaders. No long-term planning, vision, and follow through on those plans. Just prisoners of the moment and the most recent result

 

[mr.checkerboards]

They HAVE to get more athletic at LB. Aside from solidifying Nico’s protection, that’s imo, the biggest need.

Both UGA and OSU abused our linebackers. UGA exposed them and OSU just took what was on film and applied.

I love the class coming in and think Harmon may be instant impact, but they need a bridge guy.

This I can agree with.
Need a portal linebackers so the youngsters don't have to play day 1.

 

[Devo182]

Still really disappointed banks hasn’t been fire yet.

Why do you hate the Vols and our success?

 

[Devo182]

Bigger problems than him. Elarbee, Pope, and Halzle.

Elarbee with a top OL 3rd straight year


Pope and Joey, I won't step into. I'll trust Heupel, either way. He knows the offense. Do what he needs to do.

 

[VolGee4]

Right! And that’s what pressure should prevent.

Not always though. Most good QB’s don’t care about pressure because you throw right at it. Their elite WR’s were very helpful. Again, Howard literally had high level percentages under pressure and with man coverage, and their WR’s contribute to that.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Lol so much this.

The level of overreaction and fragility is wild.

We went from being way too far down after UGA, to being on top of the world (and a lot of people wildly talking smack about OSU...) the last few weeks. Now this. Just wild emotional swings and overreactions at every point. Little sense of the middle ground reality.

I can see why many would make such poor leaders. No long-term planning, vision, and follow through on those plans. Just prisoners of the moment and the most recent result

BUT, if there’s any silver-lining to taking that kind of loss, it’s that you learn from it and make adjustments. I think if they don’t use the OSU loss to really self-audit the program, that’s not good leadership, either.

 

[Devo182]

Only 1 team in the entire country had to face the 3 most talented teams in 1 season (and only 1 of 2 teams that even had to face 2 of them).

And 2 were not just in true road games, but at night:

 

[tyonthefly93]

Not always though. Most good QB’s don’t care about pressure because you throw right at it. Their elite WR’s were very helpful. Again, Howard literally had high level percentages under pressure and with man coverage, and their WR’s contribute to that.

I can see we’re not getting anywhere. No QB is better under pressure than when they’re standing still in the pocket. He wasn’t pressured and played at an elite level.

 

[Devo182]

BUT, if there’s any silver-lining to taking that kind of loss, it’s that you learn from it and make adjustments. I think if they don’t use the OSU loss to really self-audit the program, that’s not good leadership, either.

Well sure. Heupel will tear down the analysis to the studs.

But LRP and vision is just that. You don't overhaul off single data points. You make very small adjustments and then give them years to prove out as well, but inline with the plan and vision.

But folks acting like this is Norvell and FSU and just fire 3-4 staff immediately, LMAO. Not happening. Heupel has a plan and isn't a weakwilled reactionary.

Fulmer didn't panic in '97, he was never weak either.