Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[mr.checkerboards]

Seeing Florida ahead is sickening. They were dead in the water.

They bought their way out of the hole.
Time will tell if it's money well spent.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I use on3. 247 sucks.



Not much difference, being 7th in front of Florida.

Our average is better than Floridas and have more five stars and four stars together

I use 247 just because I always have.

 

[TrippieRedd]

8th in the SEC

I went back and looked at 247 to double check.

We have 27 commits
1 five star
15 four stars

Florida has 28 commits
1 five star
14 four stars

How are the ranked ahead?? The other teams are ranked ahead because they have 30+ in their class.

 

[VolGee4]

In a 3 game stretch this season to UK, MSST and Arky we gave up something like 800 yards of offense to some bad teams.

lol…800 yards of offense in 3 games is nothing. I love how some use certain facts to drive a narrative.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I went back and looked at 247 to double check.

We have 27 commits
1 five star
15 four stars

Florida has 28 commits
1 five star
14 four stars

How are the ranked ahead?? The other teams are ranked ahead because they have 30+ in their class.

It is a little weird.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

On the VQ podcast last night. Eric Cain read a stat from Pro football focus, on 31 drop back passes, we sent 8 pressures. Thats 25%. Howard sucks against the blitz, but we never blitz.
Also, the excuse for not blitzing, is we don't have the DB'S to leave one on one, fair enough, but watch the UGA and OSU games we weren't giving our corners very much safety help.
So it's like here take 1 on 1 shots, and here's all the time in the world to get open. It makes no sense.

I question the 8 pressures. I know I saw two where four were brought and Jospehs was out in the flat looking for a squirrel.

 

[Jackcrevol]

No guarantees that Tim Banks will be at TENNESSEE, didn't someone post that Banks has a contract laying on his desk and still hasn't put his John Hancock on the dotted line?

Yes apparently a VQ thing. Ive yet to hear it.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Painful, but pretty accurate.

I noticed alabama was missing from that skit





Just like the playoffs.

 

[Jackcrevol]

It is a little weird.

Florida always recruits well. Its the area in which it sits, warm.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I question the 8 pressures. I know I saw two where four were brought and Jospehs was out in the flat looking for a squirrel.

See and maybe it's just me, but I don't consider 4 a pressure. If you aren't bring 6 are you really blitzing

 

[VolGee4]

What gameplan do you use when you have to cover elite fast WRs knowing we have slow safeties and linebackers
Our cbs were actually there and just got beat, it happens
Help over the top wouldve been nice for them but we are slow

Also, Howard is elite in man coverage. We played some zone, which we aren’t good at, but it’s something that Howard must not be as good either. We just got beat everywhere.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Florida always recruits well. Its the area in which it sits, warm.

Nah the rankings.
I guess they're ahead due to class average, but we actually have 2 more committed and a higher average.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Nah the rankings.
I guess they're ahead due to class average, but we actually have 2 more committed and a higher average.

where are the kids located? do they play for big schools? you know as well as I do, a kid from Mater Dei will be higher rated as Oakland Murfreesboro.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

where are the kids located? do they play for big schools? you know as well as I do, a kid from Mater Dei will be higher rated as Oakland Murfreesboro.

There's typically a reason for that tho.

People want to crap on recruiting rankings, but how often are the teams that are top 5 or even top 3 winning? It's not an accident that those things coincidence with each other.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

See and maybe it's just me, but I don't consider 4 a pressure. If you aren't bring 6 are you really blitzing

I mean considering so many play 3-4 fronts now...

But I think 5 is the minimum for it to really be considered a blitz (to me at least)

So even if 3 are down linemen you'd have to send 2

Banks simply doesn't pressure and our players aren't fast enough or just aren't coached well to cover in zone. And if you've got both happening well you see how many QBs have carved us up...

this year:
Ohio State 80.6% for 317 yards
Arkansas 70% for 297 yards
Georgia 62.5% for 347 yards

last year:
Georgia 80.6% 316 yards
Missouri 75% 275 yards

2022
South Carolina 81.6% 453 yards
LSU 71.1% 300 yards
Georgia 68% 257 yards
Bama 67.3% 455 yards

Been a consistent issue with Banks' playcalling/coaching (since he's also a DB coach). The games where our DL or DBs have clear talent advantage it doesn't matter because we win the head to heads. But games where our DL can't get pressure and/or our DBs can't stay with their WRs. We get carved the hell up.

 

[ForMyLosses]

There's typically a reason for that tho.

People want to crap on recruiting rankings, but how often are the teams that are top 5 or even top 3 winning? It's not an accident that those things coincidence with each other.

True but as someone that played in 6A football in middle TN with a Mr.Football as teammate. there are studs in Middle TN that are highly under recruited. Butch Jones didn’t offer him or even ask him on a visit. My teammate was Tyrel Dodson at centennial. Starting linebacker on the Seattle Seahawks. He was a monster on the field and in the gym.

Edit: Guess who recruited him. John Chavis

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I mean considering so many play 3-4 fronts now...

But I think 5 is the minimum for it to really be considered a blitz (to me at least)

So even if 3 are down linemen you'd have to send 2

Banks simply doesn't pressure and our players aren't fast enough or just aren't coached well to cover in zone. And if you've got both happening well you see how many QBs have carved us up...

this year:
Ohio State 80.6% for 317 yards
Arkansas 70% for 297 yards
Georgia 62.5% for 347 yards

last year:
Georgia 80.6% 316 yards
Missouri 75% 275 yards

2022
South Carolina 81.6% 453 yards
LSU 71.1% 300 yards
Georgia 68% 257 yards
Bama 67.3% 455 yards

Been a consistent issue with Banks' playcalling/coaching (since he's also a DB coach). The games where our DL or DBs have clear talent advantage it doesn't matter because we win the head to heads. But games where our DL can't get pressure and/or our DBs can't stay with their WRs. We get carved the hell up.

No argument from me.
Even if you are running 3 down lineman, typically your LEO(whatever term we use) is an Elite rusher. I can't consider 4 a blitz
Gotta bring someone else for me to consider it a blitz.

 

[UpstateVol613]

 

[mr.checkerboards]

True but as someone that played in 6A football in middle TN with a Mr.Football as teammate. there are studs in Middle TN that are highly under recruited. Butch Jones didn’t offer him or even ask him on a visit. My teammate was Tyrel Dodson at centennial. Starting linebacker on the Seattle Seahawks. He was a monster on the field and in the gym.

Oh, there are exceptions to the rule for sure. Cedric Tillman, Jaylen Wright, and Cam Sutton come to mind. Typically though the rule is a rule for a reason.
Will Brooks is a perfect example, played great against the UK and MSST world, was in the right spot at the right time for a pick against OSU, but he didn't belong on that field Saturday night. What he has in heart and effort he lacks in size and speed.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No argument from me.
Even if you are running 3 down lineman, typically your LEO(whatever term we use) is an Elite rusher. I can't consider 4 a blitz
Gotta bring someone else for me to consider it a blitz.

Tim Banks is a great d coordinator when he can rush 4 and get pressure. When he can't get pressure with 4 he's lost. He does fake blitzes like a champ. We were joking and laughing during the game when he would show blitz and back out. "He's gonna send them this time! Nope, fake. He's gonna light em up this time, psych!"

 

[VolNash17]

Tony was at this spot after that team lost to ND in the Supers. He's been on a tear ever since.
Hopefully what happened Saturday gives Heupel the same hunger.

Heupel seems more relaxed than Tony, Tony took over a total disaster as well. No success no facilities in the toughest baseball conference and immediately recruited at an elite clip. Multiple CWS appearances and a national championship. Maybe as you said Heupel will turn into an annual elite recruiter but idk. Yet to be seen

 

[Jack Burton]

Josh Pate said talking to the two staffs before the game that Ohio State loved the matchup while Tennessee staff felt like they were out matched and needed a lot of things to go their way to pull off a win. So if you feel like that as a staff what do you need to do to change that feeling before you go into these big time Primetime games?

Need more talent on the field for sure. Also need better playcalling. Our offense has been quite disappointing.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Kirby fired Chaney after going to a national championship and having the best rushing attack with I’m pretty sure the best season ever for two RBs on the same team. And they upgraded and won two natty’s. It’s possible for Heupel to do the same

That's the problem with some of the folks in here. We're not UGA right now. We're still working our way to that level from "Dumpster Fire" four years ago.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Tim Banks is a great d coordinator when he can rush 4 and get pressure. When he can't get pressure with 4 he's lost. He's does fake blitzes like a champ. We were joking and laughing during the game when he would show blitz and back out. "He's gonna send them this time! Nope, fake. He's gonna light em up this time, psych!"

I know lining up in double a and dropping is one of his favorite things to do.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Josh Pate said talking to the two staffs before the game that Ohio State loved the matchup while Tennessee staff felt like they were out matched and needed a lot of things to go their way to pull off a win. So if you feel like that as a staff what do you need to do to change that feeling before you go into these big time Primetime games?

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