Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[screenthis]

Good for him. He most likely won’t go day 1 or 2, but he will definitely make a roster. Get the money as a RB when you can.

nm

 

[InVOLuntary]

Seems to me that there's too many "Or Else" conversation going on in college football now.

You pay me what I want "or else" I leave.

It's people/agents/schools throwing out offers that are driving this. It's tampering. I get the feeling we don't get down in the mud like these other teams do.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

Seems to me that there's too many "Or Else" conversation going on in college football now.

You pay me what I want "or else" I leave.

Colleges unwilling to pay for the “top” talent are in a bad, bad place right now. It’s simply a world of who’s the highest bidder and I am not investing time or money into that culture. Not how I think we should be raising/training the mindset of the next generation. Sad indictment on our society.

 

[UTSuave’]

Seems to me that there's too many "Or Else" conversation going on in college football now.

You pay me what I want "or else" I leave.

They’ve given power to 18 and 20 year old kids involving lump somes of money…what did we think was going to happen?…i still think this was a F** you to all of the universities by the NCAA out of spite…if I’m not mistaken the NIL was approved around the time everyone was wanting the NCAA’s head for how they were handling recruiting violation cases…even the media was throwing off on them for being biased…then chaos

 

[MarcoVol]

Colleges unwilling to pay for the “top” talent are in a bad, bad place right now. It’s simply a world of who’s the highest bidder and I am not investing time or money into that culture. Not how I think we should be raising/training the mindset of the next generation. Sad indictment on our society.

It’s up to parents to raise their children, not colleges.

 

[zhangliao04]

I think there will be a salary cap for the team not by position. That's true in the NFL now and would stand up in court. It wouldn't make a difference though because NIL would still be a thing and would be a far bigger enticement than what the salary would be. It would do nothing to fix this problem. Maybe multi-year contracts with penalties would help with the year to year shopping around.

The reason it would stand up in courts is because there is a bargaining agreement. That’s the solid foundation the NFL relies on. Without it you get what CFB is now. You still see some of it with some few players in some form or fashion saying they just won’t play. But not to the level of what is happening in CFB. The first MAJOR step for CFB to “fix” the portal is to create a bargaining agreement between the schools and players. Literally making an NFL-lite. And this brings on so many other issues for instance “why should I pay the prices I see now for such a mediocre product compared to the NFL?”.

To be honest I think we fans should be throwing the blame at our universities not the NCAA. From what I’ve read and come to understand it’s the universities that tell the NCAA what to do and how to govern. Not the other way around.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Sampson is declaring for the draft today as well

Not unexpected

 

[UTSuave’]

Seems to me that there's too many "Or Else" conversation going on in college football now.

You pay me what I want "or else" I leave.

Like cam newton said…don’t complain about someone trying to get paid…it is what it is..if they want to be paid treat them like professionals and put it in a contract binding them to the money that’s being paid…either they pay a % back or they can’t leave…it will stop all of this **** or at least slow it down some

 

[orange parmejohn]

The reason it would stand up in courts is because there is a bargaining agreement. That’s the solid foundation the NFL relies on. Without it you get what CFB is now. You still see some of it with some few players in some form or fashion saying they just won’t play. But not to the level of what is happening in CFB. The first MAJOR step for CFB to “fix” the portal is to create a bargaining agreement between the schools and players. Literally making an NFL-lite. And this brings on so many other issues for instance “why should I pay the prices I see now for such a mediocre product compared to the NFL?”.

To be honest I think we fans should be throwing the blame at our universities not the NCAA. From what I’ve read and come to understand it’s the universities that tell the NCAA what to do and how to govern. Not the other way around.

It surely has to happen at some point. Although coaches have been doing the same thing for decades. Grabbing a bag and bolting for the next one.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Imo, we play the portal too defensively. We react to people trying to poach our players instead if proactively up their nil’s and only recruit transfers once we are low at a position instead of proactively trying to improve each position

Its no secret most of CFB has figured out how to handle every part of the portal better than UT.


AU sucks every yr now and they are lapping Tennessee

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

It’s up to parents to raise their children, not colleges.

Yes, parents hold the highest standard but all leaders and authority figures are and should be accountable. So a teacher should just teach and wash their hands of how a child is brought up/performs in the classroom? Absolutely the schools, etc. play a role in raising the next generation and should care.

I know my ideals and values may not be the same so I’ll have to make a choice at some point if it continues down this path.

 

[csprig9]

I think there will be a salary cap for the team not by position. That's true in the NFL now and would stand up in court. It wouldn't make a difference though because NIL would still be a thing and would be a far bigger enticement than what the salary would be. It would do nothing to fix this problem. Maybe multi-year contracts with penalties would help with the year to year shopping around.

Contracts…..

That’s what needs to be done

Or

One free transfer and then you have to sit a year if you move again
NCAA could’ve been ahead of this but they ****ed it up and are now wanting everyone to come back and beg them for help but they screwed itnup to much

 

[Midas]

Great idea! Go for it!

Fyi, I do give despite having degrees from other schools. Id say you carved yourself our a nice little niche here. Unfortunately, I'm done giving, for now. It shouldnt be incumbent on us to bear 100% of the burden. Time for some other fans to pitch in.

And frankly, I'm an Alum of East Tennessee State, twice. They also have athletics.

I feel you on that.

Just kind of surprised this hasn’t already been done. I wouldn’t mind starting it but since people don’t actually know me in real life too well I think it would see better results if one of the mods or even Freak himself started it.

 

[WangoTango]

I think there will be a salary cap for the team not by position. That's true in the NFL now and would stand up in court. It wouldn't make a difference though because NIL would still be a thing and would be a far bigger enticement than what the salary would be. It would do nothing to fix this problem. Maybe multi-year contracts with penalties would help with the year to year shopping around.

What they are doing now isn't NIL or at least what NIL was originally designed to be. I'm all aboard on an athlete or anyone who can sell their worth to a business who wants representation and a positive monetary ROI. That isn't what is happening by and large. What we have now are proxy organizations for each school, raising money and enacting fan taxes, with no oversight or accountability. NIL was originally about an athlete being able to go into the public business sphere to market themselves based upon their association with college athletics and whatever worth might be assigned to that association by those entities. Name, Image, Likeness. What we are doing right now isn't that except in rare cases.

 

[csprig9]

Its no secret most of CFB has figured out how to handle every part of the portal better than UT.


AU sucks every yr now and they are lapping Tennessee

Are you a Tennessee fan
You seem so mad all the time at Tennessee football coaches and players that you would probably be happier cheering for another team
It’s unhealthy

 

[zhangliao04]

It surely has to happen at some point. Although coaches have been doing the same thing for decades. Grabbing a bag and bolting for the next one.

Exactly. And I don’t blame the players because they deserve a part of the pie, too. It’s just hard to say how much without having a legal document that is signed by all parties. One side got too much and now the scale is tipping. Too far? No idea. But it’s definitely unnerving to say the least lol.

 

[knoxvol52]

I think there will be a salary cap for the team not by position. That's true in the NFL now and would stand up in court. It wouldn't make a difference though because NIL would still be a thing and would be a far bigger enticement than what the salary would be. It would do nothing to fix this problem. Maybe multi-year contracts with penalties would help with the year to year shopping around.

I agree with @TN-POSSUM that players should be able to transfer ONE time without penalty but you have to sit out a year just like in past if transferring a 2nd time. The chaos of I can go to 4 different schools in 4 years to follow the money is insane to me.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

What they are doing now isn't NIL or at least what NIL was originally designed to be. I'm all aboard on an athlete or anyone who can sell their worth to a business who wants representation and a positive monetary ROI. That isn't what is happening by and large. What we have now are proxy organizations for each school, raising money and enacting fan taxes, with no oversight or accountability. NIL was originally about an athlete being able to go into the public business sphere to market themselves based upon their association with college athletics and whatever worth might be assigned to that association by those entities. Name, Image, Likeness. What we are doing right now isn't that except in rare cases.

Which is my biggest complaint about NIL to begin with. It's not being used at all for which it was actually created.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Thank you for all the love and support that I received the last couple days. There is not another fan base like VolNation.

I’ll be in and out the next couple of weeks just trying to get everything squared away.

Much love to everyone on here and truly blessed to call everyone here my family.


Couple of my terrible notes

- Sucks if we lose Boo, but oh well. Jourdan
Thomas can step up. He was the original starter along with Harrison, if I’m not mistaken.

- Was hoping Sampson would return but good for him, a perfect representative of this university.

- Josh Thompson don’t make me sad

- And finally, GO. GET. MAKHI. HUGHES.


Love you all.

 

[you]

It’s the transfer portal that needs to change, not NIL.

Hard and fast rule, if you transfer you sit out a year, not exceptions taken, no appeals, no if’s and or buts, no questions asked. Transfer, you sit. Doesn’t matter if yo momma is sick or your granddaddy dies, no exceptions. Transfer = sit out

This would fix it, and not have to touch NIL.

 

[Ace]

Last year the Vols tried to recruit a player from the portal and offered him $50,000. He chose his home state school for the same money and he was a solid starter. I am told that this year that same player will make $350,000. Almost all the $50,000 starting players on his current team had to be bumped to 350,000 just to retain them because of other schools poaching them. This is college football in 2025. This is why many fans will find something else to do on Saturdays in the Fall.

 

[zhangliao04]

It’s the transfer portal that needs to change, not NIL.

Hard and fast rule, if you transfer you sit out a year, not exceptions taken, no appeals, no if’s and or buts, no questions asked. Transfer, you sit. Doesn’t matter if yo momma is sick or your granddaddy dies, no exceptions. Transfer = sit out

This would fix it, and not have to touch NIL.

What about all other jobs? Coaches? Scientists? Medical workers? Teachers? *enter in your profession* Etc. Same thing?

 

[Volfan39]

Its no secret most of CFB has figured out how to handle every part of the portal better than UT.


AU sucks every yr now and they are lapping Tennessee

If Auburn still sucks, one would wonder if they have truly figured out how to work the portal

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Last year the Vols tried to recruit a player and offered him $50,000. He chose his home state school for the same money and he was a solid starter. I am told that this year that same player will make $350,000. Almost all the $50,000 starting players on his current team had to be bumped to 350,000 just to retain them because of other schools poaching them. This is college football in 2025. This is why many fans will find something else to do on Saturdays in the Fall.

This is just dumb.

 

[csprig9]

What about all other jobs? Coaches? Scientists? Medical workers? Teachers? *enter in your profession* Etc. Same thing?

Lol **** it
Everyone is locked in and can’t leave without sitting a year