Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[TN-POSSUM]

Again you aren’t offering anything to refute what they said. Just more you don’t like them. Which is fine. But that doesn’t mean they are wrong.

Your turn. Give me a list of your favorites and the ones you don't like. Let me know why you feel the way you do about them.

Show me how to refute, BOT

 

[Jackcrevol]

Dish Network Joins UT Corporate Family - University of Tennessee Athletics

KNOXVILLE and ENGLEWOOD, COLO. ??? DISH Network Corp., the nation???s third largest pay-TV provider and the digital transition leader, Saturday announced an agreement

utsports.com

"DISH Network Corp., the nation's third largest pay-TV provider and the digital transition leader, Saturday announced an agreement with the University of Tennessee Athletics Department as a UT Corporate Champion, the university's most elite level of corporate sponsorship."

Also, Dish Network was the Title Sponsor of the Orange and White Game for many, many years.

Article is from '09

 

[peaygolf]

January 14, 1978

last Sex Pistols concert…..

The Sex Pistols 1978 U.S. tour was a complete fiasco. Bassist Sid Vicious was hopelessly addicted to heroin, and Johnny Rotten was barely speaking with his bandmates. The group had never been to America, but they’d been in the press for the better part of a year and could have easily played relatively large venues in big cities. Instead, Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren booked them at redneck bars mostly across the Deep South and made sure an army of journalists chronicled the 12-day odyssey in great detail. He figured the inevitable chaos would further bolster the legend of the band.

The brief tour wrapped up January 14th at San Francisco’s Winterland Ballroom. It was the biggest venue of the entire tour, without any close second. The crowd was mainly hippies, curious to see what all the fuss was about.

At Winterland, I had a cold. Sid wasn’t playing a note, and he wasn’t even plugged in half the time. Me and Paul just wanted to play. I kept cutting out, strings breaking left, right and center.”
The sound was absolutely atrocious, and Johnny Rotten’s voice started to give out. The band closed with a cover of the Stooges’ “No Fun,” and near the end Rotten melts down. “There’s no fun in being alone,” he says. “This is no fun. It is no fun at all.” When the song ends he famously asks the crowd, “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?” He then drops the microphone and walks offstage. It was the last time the Sex Pistols would perform together until their reunion tour in 1996.

 

[butchna]

I wanted Heup to obtain Osovet, bet he could’ve brought fresh ideas

Wasn’t an upgrade from Niedermeyer as TEs coach…his biggest sin. Pruitt wanted 2009 Bama offense, but not as flashy.

 

[butchna]

@butchna


Tell me Jerry isn't going to be lazy and just promote Zimmer to HC..

He’s not. Seriously believe he goes aggressively for Deion. Terrell Owens level starstruck disregarding his football guys imo. No inkling of plans B-?

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Here's a few of Dave Hooker's headlines.....View attachment 714523View attachment 714524View attachment 714525


Dave Hooker is the new John Adams. He's cut from the same cloth has Chad Pennington and Tyler Ivens. For every positive storyline, there's at least 5 negatives they talk about or manufacture. The Knoxville media does more to damage the look of UT, than the fans ever have.


A few of the ones of Knoxville sports talk that I like and respect their opinion....

John Wilkerson
Jason Swain
Brian Rice
Josh Ward

They can discuss TN sports (good or bad) without trolling the fan base. The ones I listed above are some of the worst for spinning the narrative to be worse than it really is. They don't all have to be sunshine pumpers but they shouldn't always be negative either. We need a few more "homers" covering the VOLS, or at least some reporters/shows that write positive stories/sports talk and not constantly beating on the teams, coaches, and fans.




Your turn. Give me a list of your favorites and the ones you don't like. Let me know why you feel the way you do about them.

Agreed. Their whole schtick is to rile people up and trigger comments and listens. It's sad. They had a segment before the start of this past season where the sidekick went off on a "hot take" about how Peyton Lewis would be the starter and Dylan Sampson wasn't good enough and didn't know how to block. It's an opinion for sure and not as egregious as this Nico stuff, but he was VERY aggressive with it. Like over-the-top aggressive. With this Nico story they've found something that obviously no one can necessarily "prove" one way or the other. Perfect fodder to trigger a passionate fanbase...

 

[knoxvol52]

He’s not. Seriously believe he goes aggressively for Deion. Terrell Owens level starstruck disregarding his football guys imo. No inkling of plans B-?

Hard to believe Jerry would hire a HC that would be talked about more publicly than himself. But I trust your opinion since you have more insight than I do.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Dude I love it when you drop cold hard stats out of nowhere like..thors hammer you’re hired as volnations numbers guy

View attachment 714526

I appreciate it lol
I just get frustrated, this is VOL-nation, don't spin ish to me about why our 15-1 basketball team should be behind teams with 2 or 3 losses when the numbers don't add up.

I know @Devo182 is just sharing the KenPom list though, not something they're defending etc. but I take post sharing stuff like that as opportunities to share stats for the rest of the folks in here that may not follow basketball as closely.

Houston is 12-3 they're scoring 77.1 ppg (134th), allowing just 54.2 a game (1st)
Vols are 15-1 we're scoring 77.1 ppg (134th), allowing just 57.9 a game (3rd)

Houston's SOS is 27th, ours is 41st (not sure I agree, but that's what the rankings have)

I also don't read as much into offensive rating/defensive rating as some since those metrics are on a "per 100 possessions" curve that rewards primarily efficiency only with no regards to who and when you played. For example our top 3 highest offensive rated players... Campbell Duncan, Cameron Carr, JP Estrella. Our top 3 highest defensive rated players... Gavin Paull, Grant Hurts, Igor Milicic


Any system for ranking that somehow has Houston higher than us at this point in the season is questionable to me. I know KenPom at least changes with each game, since it's based on who you played already not who is on the schedule so since SEC play will yield almost exclusively Quad 1 & 2 games it'll sort itself out.


One stat NO ONE in the media is really discussing that I think should get more praise..

% of minutes played and % of scoring returned from 2023-24 roster...

Vols: 37.6% of minutes played and 32.0% of scoring returned
Houston: 75.1% of minutes played and 73.1% of scoring returned
Auburn: 56.6% of minutes played and 58.2% of scoring returned
Iowa State: 64.4% of minutes played and 66.1% of scoring returned

Only 2 teams in the top 10 returned less than us, Duke and Kentucky. That's been a pretty impressive coaching job by Barnes & staff if you ask me


No one asked, but my top 5
1. Auburn (only loss on road to Duke, wins over Houston, Iowa State, UNC, Memphis, & Purdue and none at home)
2. Iowa State (only loss to Auburn, wins over Marquette, Baylor, & at Texas Tech)
3. Florida (only loss at Kentucky, wins over Tennessee, UNC, at FSU, & at Arkansas)
4. Tennessee (only loss at Florida, wins over at Louisville, Baylor, Arkansas, at Illinois, & at Texas)
5. Duke (losses to Kentucky & Kansas, wins over Auburn, at Louisville, at SMU, & Pitt)

Cause in basketball margin of victory doesn't mean anything. A loss by 1 or by 30 is still a loss and the same team that loses by 30 can win by 30 the very next game it's a streaky sport more than any other.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Agreed. Their whole schtick is to rile people up and trigger comments and listens. It's sad. They had a segment before the start of this past season where the sidekick went off on a "hot take" about how Peyton Lewis would be the starter and Dylan Sampson wasn't good enough and didn't know how to block. It's an opinion for sure and not as egregious as this Nico stuff, but he was VERY aggressive with it. Like over-the-top aggressive. With this Nico story they've found something that obviously no one can necessarily "prove" one way or the other. Perfect fodder to trigger a passionate fanbase...

They are both obviously playing a role to that effect. One is the straight and the other is the heavy with "hot takes" to feed the headlines, which feel the links/views/comments.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Hmmm maybe you can offer some info that refutes what they say? Would love to hear it. We do know Nico got more NIL money. Eric Cain and Hubbs has said so.

The headline wasn't "Nico gets more NIL" the headline was asking a clickbait type question to entice clicks "Did Nico DEMAND..."

The burden of proof isn't on the person saying "did they demand more NIL" it's on the person making the accusation to begin with.

Great example for ya...

Seahawks OVERPAY Geno Smith to miss playoffs again
vs
Geno Smith receives bonuses despite Seahawks missing playoffs

Neither is technically wrong, but the tone of the article and the types of readers drawn in are going to vary with those headlines. The bonuses/incentives Geno Smith received were negotiated into the contract prior to the season and were personal without being tied to team performance...

 

[rockytop25]

 

[butchna]

Hard to believe Jerry would hire a HC that would be talked about more publicly than himself. But I trust your opinion since you have more insight than I do.

He’s anything but subtle. When he does a full court press on a target hours into a coaching vacancy? Add a lot more percentage points on work being done to close that deal.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

He’s not. Seriously believe he goes aggressively for Deion. Terrell Owens level starstruck disregarding his football guys imo. No inkling of plans B-?

I also think Deion's ability to take attention away from Jerry while also being able to hire quality coaches around him is enticing. I don't know if Deion can cut the mustard in the NFL, far more difficult to hide there than in college. But I do think Deion's style of roster building and coaching is better suited for the NFL.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Honestly, as a Titans fan, I love the idea of Deion going to Dallas. We could absolutely finesse them with that #1 pick. Deion would be lucky to win 6-7 games a year in the NFL, which would put them drafting in the top 10 in 2026 imo. As a Titans fan, how could you day no to this:

Titans receive:
-Dak Prescott
-#12 overall pick
-2026 1st round pick (likely top 10)
-2026 3rd round pick
-2027 1st round pick (also likely top 10)
-2027 6th round pick

Dallas receives:
-1st overall pick
-4th round pick
-2026 4th round pick

Titans could have Prescott and Rudolph as qb’s next year and use their top 10 pick in 2026 to get Manning or another top QB (nico or someone else who bursts onto the scene). Say Manning/Nico are projected to go before the Titans scheduled pick, we could trade our 2 2026 1st round picks to get one of the two top qb’s. Titans should use this draft in the hypothetical trade to build the OL by drafting Will Campbell or the OT from texas, as well as upgrading the wr room and grabbing another rb

Do the titans also bring in Mike McCarthy in that scenario or different direction?

You’re also assuming titans will do something smart, which is a large assumption. More likely they do something dumb like hire bill belicheck, draft hunter number 1 overall, and trade up to take Jalen milroe to add to an already incompetent qb room.

I would love to see the titans make moves that are prudent and geared for long term success, just don’t see it happening based on recent history. Never should have traded AJ, Henry, drafted Levis, run off gravel, etc etc

 

[screenthis]

Do the titans also bring in Mike McCarthy in that scenario or different direction?

You’re also assuming titans will do something smart, which is a large assumption. More likely they do something dumb like hire bill belicheck, draft hunter number 1 overall, and trade up to take Jalen milroe to add to an already incompetent qb room.

I would love to see the titans make moves that are prudent and geared for long term success, just don’t see it happening based on recent history. Never should have traded AJ, Henry, drafted Levis, run off gravel, etc etc

Please, oh please, do not bring Deion to Dallas. I still hold out a slight hope the Cowboys can win a title again but not with him.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Please.

 

[BigThunder]

Not that I think super highly of either party, but Jerry wouldn’t hire Deion because he knows he can’t control him. He wants puppets.

Welp, I might have to end up owning this one.

 

[De La Cloobs]

Please.

I have been saying this for 2 years. It's an obvious and easy fix

 

[patrick]

Article is from '09

This was in response to a response that alleged that Ergen doesn't support the Vols......... Which I followed with the fact that Ergen's Company was the title sponsor of the Orange and White game for several years through and including 2018.

 

[Adam Sandler]

It's likely a distinction without meaning, my friend, considering how that kind of thing works within large budgets. Unless enough donation $$$s are specifically directed to football, above the amount they'd planned to budget to football anyway, it doesn't effectively matter. Imagine it this way:

You are making a home budget, partially as such:

$6000/mo income

$1000/mo mortgage
$400/mo groceries
$400/mo utilities
$100/mo cable/streaming
...

Your sister loves the kids and wants to show it.

"Hey, I have $20 a month that I'd like to donate to pay for the kids' Disney subscription, but you have to promise it's going to go to the Disney subscription!
"Fair enough. I promise."

New budget:

$6020/mo income

$1000/mo mortgage
$400/mo groceries
$400/mo utilities
$100/mo cable/streaming
...

The $20/mo is paying for the Disney you'd already budgeted for, and just opens up $20/mo extra somewhere else. Your annual budget line items have to amount to at least the amount of directed fund donations annually in that line item. If so, you've met the requirement. If not, you have to give the money back or ask them to give it undirected. Effectively, if people are directing money to a line item you've already budgeted to fund, it's a distinction without meaning, except for a safeguard that the line item will be budgeted.

I understand my dollars are small but if 80% of the people who donate knew they could direct to football NIL and did then maybe there would be a better emphasis on efforts from those in charge to make that easier knowing there was a desire for it. Maybe even that would help attract new donors. And by easier I mean not just levying a 10% talent fee on season ticket holders, since the amount of people who donate pales in comparison to the amount of season ticket holders. I’d love to see our NIL efforts increase across the fanbase voluntarily. And yeah I love us being an everything school but if I’m being honest what I really want more than anything is to see at least one (and the more the better) football championship as an adult before I die. I was a child when we won in 98 and so my understand and ability to remember and appreciate it is diminished compared to what a championship at this stage in my fanhood would mean, especially after 15 years of agony before heupel.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Please.

Also won’t affect our designated extra-point injuries, so win-win!

 

[JCVol00]

I have been saying this for 2 years. It's an obvious and easy fix

Which is exactly why it won’t pass, ncaa never does common sense things

 

[Adam Sandler]

I hate Geno but man do I appreciate the honesty and bluntness here

 

[Jackcrevol]

This was in response to a response that alleged that Ergen doesn't support the Vols......... Which I followed with the fact that Ergen's Company was the title sponsor of the Orange and White game for several years through and including 2018.

it's 2025.

 

[vol9799]

I understand my dollars are small but if 80% of the people who donate knew they could direct to football NIL and did then maybe there would be a better emphasis on efforts from those in charge to make that easier knowing there was a desire for it. Maybe even that would help attract new donors. And by easier I mean not just levying a 10% talent fee on season ticket holders, since the amount of people who donate pales in comparison to the amount of season ticket holders. I’d love to see our NIL efforts increase across the fanbase voluntarily. And yeah I love us being an everything school but if I’m being honest what I really want more than anything is to see at least one (and the more the better) football championship as an adult before I die. I was a child when we won in 98 and so my understand and ability to remember and appreciate it is diminished compared to what a championship at this stage in my fanhood would mean, especially after 15 years of agony before heupel.

I understand the desire for broader NIL support, but I'm not sure it's realistic. Grassroots participation was much more marketable when NIL first began. At that time, the clarion call was something like, "let's quit using the athletes and let them benefit from all that college sports generates." As that morphed into multi-million $ free agency (which was inevitable), perceptions of the athletes' plight changed and it became more difficult to sell blue collar folks on the concept.

There's not really a fix with the current structure of college athletics. The market is at the mercy of whichever booster base has the least regard for monetary ROI combined with the greatest desire for emotional ROI. Those trying to regulate it are only trying to apply some misguided vision of fairness or, more often, want to return to something that can be manipulated to the benefit of the chosen, see the NCAA & it's pet blue-bloods.