Recruiting Football Talk VIII

#118,052
#118,052
MoCo_Vol said:
Product will probably drop off, but the college kids don't have any power.

NFL there's a small percentage of players that can/do play at that level. But the amount of HS kids that will still come play for universities just for a free ride and room & board with no concern for making a lick off NIL is through the roof.

Are they as good as the kids they'd replace, no. But would fans really care, not one bit.

That's why some Junior Colleges have stadiums that rival Power 4 schools and why there are 5 divisions for college football and why even though over 850 college teams exist they all still are able to fill out a roster AND turn away kids even.

NIL is a good thing, but if these select few that are actually making big paydays think they have the power and try to sit out they'll get replaced while waiting on the elevator.
Click to expand...
now that money is officially in play…..the kids have the power in that area.

Anyway…..we ain’t fixin that issue today. :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: DD4ME
#118,066
#118,066
knoxvol52 said:
@butchna

Read an article from Dallas Fort Worth that 4 candidates if Deion does work out are:


Kellen Moore
Pete Carroll (Which makes zero sense )
Kliff Kingsbury
Jason Witten

You believe Witten is a pipedream?
Click to expand...
I actually like Carroll. I also like all the names you mentioned more than Sanders.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DD4ME and knoxvol52
#118,068
#118,068
BigOrangeTrain said:
How to refute? Easy. Find someone who has different information regarding the same situation as Hooker did. Say you like Basilio or Swain? Then find if they have discussed the same things as Hooker and see if they have conflicting information. Pretty basic stuff you should be able to handle.

Look Hooker hasn’t been right about everything. But he has been right about quite a bit over the years. For the record, Hooker is big time pro Nico.
Click to expand...
Interestingly, Hooker was discussing whether there should be open competition for next year's QB job given NICOs struggles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BigOrangeTrain, SugarCC and TN-POSSUM
#118,070
#118,070
MoCo_Vol said:
With NIL I would just caution the world of medical and insurance...

More administration = less effective and additional cost.

Donors supporting NIL need to do it for the university not individual sports. The university/NIL collective can use the numbers they have available (based on scholarships, profit margins etc.) to allocate % to each sport.

I'm all for every player having an opportunity to make money off themselves...but also realistically outside the main 3 sports (Football, Basketball, Baseball/Softball) there is a drastic drop in how much NIL value exist...at least if they're going to pull it from a fan funded collective.

Now if you're a "name" all on your own, like the LSU Gymnast then go make $$$, but to act like she contributes as much profit to the margin as the starting QB or one of the big name Basketball/Baseball/Softball players is crazy. LSU isn't making much off her social media account, but she is so she can use that avenue to improve her NIL value....it's just not fair for the LSU donors in that case to see a larger chunk of collective funds spent to "retain" her.

But that's how NIL should work... Nascar didn't pay Danica more because of her looks, but she was able to leverage that & her popularity to go make more off endorsement deals outside Nascar than better drivers.
Click to expand...
Hey I like you as a poster so please dont take personally what I’m about to say.

That’s some commie bs. Nobody can tell me how I SHOULD donate my money and expect me to agree with it unless I hold the exact same values as them, just like nobody can tell me what my values should be and expect me to agree with them. If I want to donate to football NIL directly, I would like to have that option. I would likely donate more than I do currently. It’s a gamble at best for them not to provide the option, and a direct fundraising failure at worst. Because someone who doesn’t care about anything but the Lady Vols for example, may very well opt not to contribute at all if they know it’s being spread widely across sports they don’t care about, as then the impact they are making is not in line with the reason they do it and not worth parting with the money as opposed to just going to more lady Vols basketball games and buying more lady Vols shirts, even if that practice doesn’t benefit the players as much as direct NIL support.

Donating money is allowed to be selfish, and makes even more sense when it’s not for a humanitarian cause, which of course sports is not. It’s entertainment.

At the end of the day the end of the product line lies with the consumer and is what makes the venture profitable to the extent it should be. So why not just let them contribute to what they want to?

Those who value equal opportunity and incentivizing the commitment of college athletes broadly will still contribute to the overall fund. I don’t doubt money is being left on the table though. If we have 5000 vol club donors and could get an extra $5 monthly from them specifically for football, that’s $300k which just bought you a quality defender or rotational offensive player annually.

And for those who have said the marginal impact of the volclub via common folk donations doesn’t make that big a difference, then who cares if they put it all towards football. I disagree about it being marginal though, to the extent you can effectively raise the funds.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jlawso21 and MoCo_Vol
#118,071
#118,071
MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah unfortunately the bulk of NIL is coming from the universities and the fans of said university...not at all how NIL -should- work, but how it's working in college.

As such I think a 24 month contract would help eliminate the "my value has gone up!" BS. And if these players are smart they'll look at the professional leagues a bit to build in incentives for development.

Buyouts wouldn't be awful, but I could see that a bit harder to regulate. If the payment is for the Name, Image, or Likeness of said athlete then them moving teams doesn't exactly negate them being paid...they're not losing their product (NIL) in this case, only switching markets. Nike doesn't require Durant to pay back a portion of his endorsement because he switched teams ya know?
Click to expand...
Well said. The difference between corporate endorsement vs institutional compensation, which are absolutely different. Then you have crossover where Nike might make a kid an endorsement deal conditional on his staying with the university of Oregon and meeting promotional or on field performance targets, and I don’t know that you could legally prevent them from doing that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MoCo_Vol
#118,074
#118,074
Adam Sandler said:
Hey I like you as a poster so please dont take personally what I’m about to say.

That’s some commie bs. Nobody can tell me how I SHOULD donate my money and expect me to agree with it unless I hold the exact same values as them, just like nobody can tell me what my values should be and expect me to agree with them. If I want to donate to football NIL directly, I would like to have that option. I would likely donate more than I do currently. It’s a gamble at best for them not to provide the option, and a direct fundraising failure at worst. Because someone who doesn’t care about anything but the Lady Vols for example, may very well opt not to contribute at all if they know it’s being spread widely across sports they don’t care about, as then the impact they are making is not in line with the reason they do it and not worth parting with the money as opposed to just going to more lady Vols basketball games and buying more lady Vols shirts, even if that practice doesn’t benefit the players as much as direct NIL support.

Donating money is allowed to be selfish, and makes even more sense when it’s not for a humanitarian cause, which of course sports is not. It’s entertainment.

At the end of the day the end of the product line lies with the consumer and is what makes the venture profitable to the extent it should be. So why not just let them contribute to what they want to?

Those who value equal opportunity and incentivizing the commitment of college athletes broadly will still contribute to the overall fund. I don’t doubt money is being left on the table though. If we have 5000 vol club donors and could get an extra $5 monthly from them specifically for football, that’s $300k which just bought you a quality defender or rotational offensive player annually.

And for those who have said the marginal impact of the volclub via common folk donations doesn’t make that big a difference, then who cares if they put it all towards football. I disagree about it being marginal though, to the extent you can effectively raise the funds.
Click to expand...

Lol no worries, I get it.

Thing is if you break up the NIL collective to separate by sport and by gender it creates more workload on said collective, which will then require more administrative support...so if fans are already concerned over 10% or whatever the number is that's not going directly to the athletes that's the reason I say collectives should just focus on taking in donations to a central bucket if ya will. The university/coaches then would be able to help guide resources to sports/players as needed.

You should donate your money however you want I agree.

Mostly I just think adding more workload to the Volclub to essentially keep up with separating donations will only cause problems. The Lady Vols already have a separated NIL deal going with it's own shop location as well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: screenthis
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top