Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[HoleInTheRoof]

Cole Harrison….. there’s been around 2-3 VQ podcasts where they name drop him as someone who is surprising the staff.

Diamond in the rough

OR

Another example of a long list of players VQ hypes up early that never really does anything when it matters?

 

[knoxvol52]

Lady Vols host Alabama at the Food City Center at 6:30 p.m. on SEC Network+..

 

[Billy Antrim]

Beginning of the "Lincoln County (NM) War"

The unprovoked, sadistic murder of Englishman John Henry Tunstall on Feb. 18, 1878, was the event that kicked off the bloody Lincoln County War. Tunstall was killed while attempting to flee from a “posse” of at least two dozen men led by just deputized Jacob Mathews. The posse, little more than a lynch mob backed by Tunstall’s bitter business rivals Lawrence Murphy and James Dolan, included at least four notorious outlaw gunmen. Fleeing with Tunstall were Billy the Kid, Robert Widenmann, Richard Brewer and John Middleton. The men were driving a string of horses from Tunstall’s ranch on the Rio Feliz to Lincoln, as Tunstall wanted to save the animals from confiscation by the posse.

What followed has been adapted into countless movies and books about the Lincoln County War and Billy the Kid.

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The Killing of Sheriff Brady

On the morning of April 1, 1878, Billy the Kid and five of his fellow regulators were tipped off that Sheriff Brady and some of his deputies were walking down Lincon's main street to post a notice on the courthouse door. Billy and his men opened fire from behind a fence, killing Brady and one of his deputies, in retaliation for Tunstall's murder.

 

[DD4ME]

 

[DD4ME]

We suck

 

[DD4ME]

Anybody going?

 

[WesTnVol]

We really are the everything school

 

[GiggerVol]

I bet he tied a 2x4 to his arse just to keep from falling in!

 

[itsme]

Wanted to share some news: I was informed today that the president of the university has approved my promotion to full professor, the highest rank. It takes effect this August. Basically it means I get more money and don't have to say 'yes' to any of the Dean's requests any more, so it's a win.

Congrats nerd!!!

 

[DD4ME]

 

[DD4ME]

We really are the everything school

0 disputes

 

[DD4ME]

Did not have the Mary Nutter against the Beavers on my bingo card. Good luck ladies, bring the wood.

 

[DD4ME]

Not bad considering our WR corp was ghosts.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

The Killing of Sheriff Brady

On the morning of April 1, 1878, Billy the Kid and five of his fellow regulators were tipped off that Sheriff Brady and some of his deputies were walking down Lincon's main street to post a notice on the courthouse door. Billy and his men opened fire from behind a fence, killing Brady and one of his deputies, in retaliation for Tunstall's murder.

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The Regulators were a deputized posse in the late 19th century American Old West, formed during the Lincoln County War in New Mexico. They’re most famous for including William H. Bonney, better known as Billy the Kid. This group came together after the murder of John Tunstall, a rancher they worked for, in February 1878. Tunstall’s death sparked the conflict, and the Regulators were initially organized to bring his killers to justice—legally, at first, under the authority of Justice of the Peace John Wilson.
Key members included:

• Richard "Dick" Brewer: The first leader, a foreman for Tunstall, killed in a shootout with Buckshot Roberts.
• Frank McNab: Took over after Brewer’s death, but was later killed by the opposing Seven Rivers Warriors.
• Doc Scurlock: The final leader, a close associate of Billy, who survived the war but faded from the spotlight.
• Billy the Kid (William H. Bonney): Not a leader, but the most infamous member due to media attention; he was young, charismatic, and tied to several killings.
• Charlie Bowdre: A loyal Tunstall hand, later killed alongside Billy’s crew in 1880.
• Others like George and Frank Coe, Jim French, and Fred Waite also rode with them, many having prior ties as ranch hands or small-time outlaws.

They started as a lawful outfit but turned outlaw when Governor Samuel Axtell invalidated their deputization in March 1878, siding with their rivals, the Murphy-Dolan faction. The Regulators clashed with this group and their hired guns, like the Jesse Evans Gang, in a messy feud over cattle and economic control. Notable actions included ambushing Sheriff William Brady (who’d backed Tunstall’s killers) and the chaotic five-day Battle of Lincoln in July 1878, where their ally Alexander McSween died.
The war ended with no clear winner, just a lot of bodies—19 confirmed deaths—and Billy the Kid as a fugitive scapegoat. The Regulators disbanded after that, with Billy’s legend outliving the rest.

John Tunstall’s murder on February 18, 1878, was the spark that ignited the Lincoln County War, and it boiled down to a mix of economic rivalry, personal grudges, and frontier power plays. Tunstall, a 24-year-old English immigrant and aspiring cattle baron, had set up shop in Lincoln County, New Mexico, challenging the entrenched Murphy-Dolan faction—James Dolan and Lawrence Murphy—who ran a mercantile monopoly called "The House." They controlled the local economy, profiting off inflated prices for goods and cattle contracts with the U.S. Army at Fort Stanton. Tunstall, backed by lawyer Alexander McSween and rancher John Chisum, aimed to break that grip by opening a competing store and ranch, undercutting their prices and cozying up to the same military buyers.

The tension wasn’t just business—it got personal. Dolan and Murphy had the law in their pocket, with Sheriff William Brady and local courts favoring their interests. When Tunstall arrived in 1876, he refused to play along, and his alliance with McSween, who’d been stiffed by Dolan over legal fees, made it a grudge match. Things escalated in early 1878 when a shady legal dispute over McSween’s client’s estate gave Dolan an excuse to seize Tunstall’s cattle and horses. Sheriff Brady formed a posse—stacked with Murphy-Dolan gunmen like the Jesse Evans Gang—to enforce a court order against Tunstall’s assets.

On that February day, Tunstall was driving cattle with some of his hands (including a young Billy the Kid) when the posse caught up. Accounts differ, but it’s clear the encounter turned ugly fast. Tunstall reportedly tried to reason with them, unarmed or lightly armed, when posse members—likely William Morton, Tom Hill, and Frank Baker—shot him dead, first in the chest, then a coup de grâce to the head. Some say it was cold-blooded murder to send a message; others claim he drew a pistol, though evidence leans toward execution—his body was found with his gun still holstered.

Why? Dolan and Murphy saw Tunstall as a threat to their profits and influence. Killing him wasn’t just about settling a score—it was a calculated move to scare off competition and maintain their chokehold on Lincoln County. They underestimated the fallout: Tunstall’s death rallied his supporters, birthing the Regulators and kicking off a bloody feud.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

The Regulators were a deputized posse in the late 19th century American Old West, formed during the Lincoln County War in New Mexico. They’re most famous for including William H. Bonney, better known as Billy the Kid. This group came together after the murder of John Tunstall, a rancher they worked for, in February 1878. Tunstall’s death sparked the conflict, and the Regulators were initially organized to bring his killers to justice—legally, at first, under the authority of Justice of the Peace John Wilson.
Key members included:

• Richard "Dick" Brewer: The first leader, a foreman for Tunstall, killed in a shootout with Buckshot Roberts.
• Frank McNab: Took over after Brewer’s death, but was later killed by the opposing Seven Rivers Warriors.
• Doc Scurlock: The final leader, a close associate of Billy, who survived the war but faded from the spotlight.
• Billy the Kid (William H. Bonney): Not a leader, but the most infamous member due to media attention; he was young, charismatic, and tied to several killings.
• Charlie Bowdre: A loyal Tunstall hand, later killed alongside Billy’s crew in 1880.
• Others like George and Frank Coe, Jim French, and Fred Waite also rode with them, many having prior ties as ranch hands or small-time outlaws.

They started as a lawful outfit but turned outlaw when Governor Samuel Axtell invalidated their deputization in March 1878, siding with their rivals, the Murphy-Dolan faction. The Regulators clashed with this group and their hired guns, like the Jesse Evans Gang, in a messy feud over cattle and economic control. Notable actions included ambushing Sheriff William Brady (who’d backed Tunstall’s killers) and the chaotic five-day Battle of Lincoln in July 1878, where their ally Alexander McSween died.
The war ended with no clear winner, just a lot of bodies—19 confirmed deaths—and Billy the Kid as a fugitive scapegoat. The Regulators disbanded after that, with Billy’s legend outliving the rest.

John Tunstall’s murder on February 18, 1878, was the spark that ignited the Lincoln County War, and it boiled down to a mix of economic rivalry, personal grudges, and frontier power plays. Tunstall, a 24-year-old English immigrant and aspiring cattle baron, had set up shop in Lincoln County, New Mexico, challenging the entrenched Murphy-Dolan faction—James Dolan and Lawrence Murphy—who ran a mercantile monopoly called "The House." They controlled the local economy, profiting off inflated prices for goods and cattle contracts with the U.S. Army at Fort Stanton. Tunstall, backed by lawyer Alexander McSween and rancher John Chisum, aimed to break that grip by opening a competing store and ranch, undercutting their prices and cozying up to the same military buyers.

The tension wasn’t just business—it got personal. Dolan and Murphy had the law in their pocket, with Sheriff William Brady and local courts favoring their interests. When Tunstall arrived in 1876, he refused to play along, and his alliance with McSween, who’d been stiffed by Dolan over legal fees, made it a grudge match. Things escalated in early 1878 when a shady legal dispute over McSween’s client’s estate gave Dolan an excuse to seize Tunstall’s cattle and horses. Sheriff Brady formed a posse—stacked with Murphy-Dolan gunmen like the Jesse Evans Gang—to enforce a court order against Tunstall’s assets.

On that February day, Tunstall was driving cattle with some of his hands (including a young Billy the Kid) when the posse caught up. Accounts differ, but it’s clear the encounter turned ugly fast. Tunstall reportedly tried to reason with them, unarmed or lightly armed, when posse members—likely William Morton, Tom Hill, and Frank Baker—shot him dead, first in the chest, then a coup de grâce to the head. Some say it was cold-blooded murder to send a message; others claim he drew a pistol, though evidence leans toward execution—his body was found with his gun still holstered.

Why? Dolan and Murphy saw Tunstall as a threat to their profits and influence. Killing him wasn’t just about settling a score—it was a calculated move to scare off competition and maintain their chokehold on Lincoln County. They underestimated the fallout: Tunstall’s death rallied his supporters, birthing the Regulators and kicking off a bloody feud.

The Regulators’ rapid rise to fame during their time and their enduring legend today are tied to a mix of raw circumstances, media amplification, and cultural resonance. Here’s how it played out then and why it sticks now:
How They Got Famous So Fast (1878-1881)

1. High-Stakes Drama in Real Time: The Lincoln County War was a perfect storm—murder, revenge, and a power struggle over cattle and cash in a lawless frontier. Tunstall’s killing in February 1878 wasn’t just a local spat; it pitted a young Englishman and his ragtag crew against a corrupt establishment (Murphy-Dolan). The Regulators’ response—chasing down killers, executing some, and ambushing Sheriff Brady on April 1, 1878—escalated it into a spectacle. News traveled fast via telegraph and word of mouth, especially in New Mexico, where violence was common but organized defiance like this stood out.
2. Billy the Kid’s Star Power: William H. Bonney, aka Billy the Kid, wasn’t the leader (Dick Brewer, then Frank McNab, then Doc Scurlock held that role), but he became the face. Young (barely 18 in 1878), charming, and tied to flashy acts like the Brady ambush, he caught attention. His knack for escaping traps—like after the Battle of Lincoln in July 1878—added flair. Papers couldn’t resist a teenage gunslinger, even if his role was exaggerated early on.
3. Newspaper Hype: The press ate it up. Outlets like the Mesilla Valley Independent and Santa Fe New Mexican covered the war blow-by-blow, often taking sides. The Regulators got sympathetic ink from papers backing Tunstall’s faction, painting them as avengers against a corrupt monopoly. Their outlaw turn after March 1878 only juiced the narrative—lawmen gone rogue made for juicy copy. By 1880, dime novels were already spinning tales, with Billy as the breakout star.
4. Political Backdrop: Governor Samuel Axtell’s bias toward Murphy-Dolan, followed by President Hayes ousting him in late 1878 and appointing Lew Wallace, gave the feud national echoes. The Regulators’ defiance tapped into broader Gilded Age tensions—small fries versus big money—which resonated beyond New Mexico.

Why Their Legend Lives On

1. Billy the Kid’s Myth Machine: After the war fizzled, Billy’s solo run as a fugitive—culminating in his 1881 jailbreak and death at Pat Garrett’s hands—cemented the legend. Wallace’s unfulfilled amnesty talks with him (1879) and Garrett’s The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid (1882) turned him into a folk hero. The Regulators got retroactive glory as his origin story. Over 50 films, from 1911’s Billy the Kid to 1988’s Young Guns, keep him (and them) in the spotlight.
2. Romantic Outlaw Appeal: The Regulators fit the Wild West archetype—underdogs fighting a rigged game, even if their “justice” was bloody. Unlike faceless gangs, they had a cause (avenging Tunstall) and a cast of characters—Billy’s charisma, Brewer’s grit, Scurlock’s quiet survival. That mix of rebellion and tragedy hooks storytellers and audiences.
3. Cultural Staying Power: The Lincoln County War’s messy morality—neither side was pure good or evil—lets it mirror timeless themes: corruption, loyalty, youthful defiance. Add the frontier’s allure (open ranges, quick-draw duels), and it’s catnip for books, songs (think Marty Robbins’ “Billy the Kid”), and games. Historians debate details, but pop culture doesn’t care—it thrives on the vibe.
4. Historical Anchor: Artifacts like Billy’s tintype photo (one of the few authentic Old West images) and sites like the Lincoln courthouse keep it tangible. The Regulators’ story isn’t just myth; it’s rooted in real deaths (19 confirmed in the war) and real stakes, giving it weight that fictional tales lack.

Back then, they rode a wave of violence and headlines; today, they endure because Billy became the poster boy for outlaw cool, and the Regulators’ brief, chaotic stand fits our love for rebels with a cause.

Sally X

 

[screenthis]

So I'm looking at pricing for a 'Teneesee Vols Coat' and...



Goodness. You peeps are out here spending $224 for a coat? Yikes.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

So I'm looking at pricing for a 'Teneesee Vols Coat' and...

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Goodness. You peeps are out here spending $224 for a coat? Yikes.

There is a place on Chapman Highway where Biglots & Revco used to be, behind Emory five & 10. It's an antique mall now. There is a booth in there packed with vintage UT stuff for cheap. (Don't tell @TrippieRedd ) . . . they had a few nice UT coats last year. They may still have something you'd like.

 

[TrippieRedd]

There is a place on Chapman Highway where Biglots & Revco used to be, behind Emory five & 10. It's an antique mall now. There is a booth in there packed with vintage UT stuff for cheap. (Don't tell @TrippieRedd ) . . . they had a few nice UT coats last year. They may still have something you'd like.

I already know the booth lol

 

[Jackcrevol]

The Killing of Sheriff Brady

On the morning of April 1, 1878, Billy the Kid and five of his fellow regulators were tipped off that Sheriff Brady and some of his deputies were walking down Lincon's main street to post a notice on the courthouse door. Billy and his men opened fire from behind a fence, killing Brady and one of his deputies, in retaliation for Tunstall's murder.

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YoUnG GuNz Wuz ReAl

Actually do think it had some accurate info, such as the picture of billy the kid.

 

[peaygolf]

The Regulators were a deputized posse in the late 19th century American Old West, formed during the Lincoln County War in New Mexico. They’re most famous for including William H. Bonney, better known as Billy the Kid. This group came together after the murder of John Tunstall, a rancher they worked for, in February 1878. Tunstall’s death sparked the conflict, and the Regulators were initially organized to bring his killers to justice—legally, at first, under the authority of Justice of the Peace John Wilson.
Key members included:

• Richard "Dick" Brewer: The first leader, a foreman for Tunstall, killed in a shootout with Buckshot Roberts.
• Frank McNab: Took over after Brewer’s death, but was later killed by the opposing Seven Rivers Warriors.
• Doc Scurlock: The final leader, a close associate of Billy, who survived the war but faded from the spotlight.
• Billy the Kid (William H. Bonney): Not a leader, but the most infamous member due to media attention; he was young, charismatic, and tied to several killings.
• Charlie Bowdre: A loyal Tunstall hand, later killed alongside Billy’s crew in 1880.
• Others like George and Frank Coe, Jim French, and Fred Waite also rode with them, many having prior ties as ranch hands or small-time outlaws.

They started as a lawful outfit but turned outlaw when Governor Samuel Axtell invalidated their deputization in March 1878, siding with their rivals, the Murphy-Dolan faction. The Regulators clashed with this group and their hired guns, like the Jesse Evans Gang, in a messy feud over cattle and economic control. Notable actions included ambushing Sheriff William Brady (who’d backed Tunstall’s killers) and the chaotic five-day Battle of Lincoln in July 1878, where their ally Alexander McSween died.
The war ended with no clear winner, just a lot of bodies—19 confirmed deaths—and Billy the Kid as a fugitive scapegoat. The Regulators disbanded after that, with Billy’s legend outliving the rest.

John Tunstall’s murder on February 18, 1878, was the spark that ignited the Lincoln County War, and it boiled down to a mix of economic rivalry, personal grudges, and frontier power plays. Tunstall, a 24-year-old English immigrant and aspiring cattle baron, had set up shop in Lincoln County, New Mexico, challenging the entrenched Murphy-Dolan faction—James Dolan and Lawrence Murphy—who ran a mercantile monopoly called "The House." They controlled the local economy, profiting off inflated prices for goods and cattle contracts with the U.S. Army at Fort Stanton. Tunstall, backed by lawyer Alexander McSween and rancher John Chisum, aimed to break that grip by opening a competing store and ranch, undercutting their prices and cozying up to the same military buyers.

The tension wasn’t just business—it got personal. Dolan and Murphy had the law in their pocket, with Sheriff William Brady and local courts favoring their interests. When Tunstall arrived in 1876, he refused to play along, and his alliance with McSween, who’d been stiffed by Dolan over legal fees, made it a grudge match. Things escalated in early 1878 when a shady legal dispute over McSween’s client’s estate gave Dolan an excuse to seize Tunstall’s cattle and horses. Sheriff Brady formed a posse—stacked with Murphy-Dolan gunmen like the Jesse Evans Gang—to enforce a court order against Tunstall’s assets.

On that February day, Tunstall was driving cattle with some of his hands (including a young Billy the Kid) when the posse caught up. Accounts differ, but it’s clear the encounter turned ugly fast. Tunstall reportedly tried to reason with them, unarmed or lightly armed, when posse members—likely William Morton, Tom Hill, and Frank Baker—shot him dead, first in the chest, then a coup de grâce to the head. Some say it was cold-blooded murder to send a message; others claim he drew a pistol, though evidence leans toward execution—his body was found with his gun still holstered.

Why? Dolan and Murphy saw Tunstall as a threat to their profits and influence. Killing him wasn’t just about settling a score—it was a calculated move to scare off competition and maintain their chokehold on Lincoln County. They underestimated the fallout: Tunstall’s death rallied his supporters, birthing the Regulators and kicking off a bloody feud.

The Lincoln County War in in my top 5 favorite historical events ever. Everyone involved is so fascinating individually.

Would love to have witnessed it …..and lived through it

 

[itsme]

Baseball is literally video game BP atm.

The young guys on this team are looking pretty dang good.

 

[itsme]

But I thought Heupel has a strong culture that he recruits to and coaches.
How can Pearce be questioned?

Purplehaze26 has anger issues and enjoys sniffing dog farts. It must be true because someone said it right?

 

[kong]

Most of us cheered when they hired Pope. Guess we didn’t know how good we had it under Cal.

Considering they're likely to finish in the bottom half of the SEC and considering how the Mormon's teams perform in March, Tennessee fans would be shortsighted to change their opinion based on two head to heads. The head to head matchups with us will even out over time

 

[Rizzo924]

As a ETSU student/JC native, would it be wrong for me to wear an etsu hat and UT shirt to the game 9-6?

Yes. As I've told multi-colored MTSU alums at our tailgates in the past, pick a lane!

 

[Jackcrevol]

Considering they're likely to finish in the bottom half of the SEC and considering how the Mormon's teams perform in March, Tennessee fans would be shortsighted to change their opinion based on two head to heads. The head to head matchups with us will even out over time

Kong,

You're really throwing barrel's over the side here aren't you?