Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

[babyavi]

A poster on VQ asked Hubbs what DY's role would be next year (RB or slot WR) and Hubbs said... He will still likely get a couple of touches but look for Pig to take over DY's role on offense next year.

PIG is going to be a great one here.

 

[SCvol333]

He needs to come back IMO. But it's hard to turn down money.

imo the best financial decision for him would be to get an insurance policy against injury and come back one more year

hard for me to see him going above 3rd round right now as he is really just a specialist - look at how lost Dez Bryant is in Dallas and CP would be that and worse - just an athlete with clue how to play the position that is likely out of the league in 3 years

if he comes back and really learns the position he comes in more ready and is more likely to contribute - which means he is more likely to have a long career and he makes more initially as his draft stock is higher

i always look at it from $$ standpoint and imo his case is a no brainer to come back

 

[SCvol333]

SIAP, but I think every UT football fan needs to read this article:

VolQuest.com - Chalk Talk: Big picture edition

thanks for sharing the article - it seems like DD has recruited well considering the circumstances but then I will watch an old game from the late 90s or early 2000s and realize that on defense we are just not even close to the caliber of athlete that used to play D at TN

 

[LynxVol]

thanks for sharing the article - it seems like DD has recruited well considering the circumstances but then I will watch an old game from the late 90s or early 2000s and realize that on defense we are just not even close to the caliber of athlete that used to play D at TN

I don't think CDD is far away from recruiting the types of athletes necessary to succeed in this leauge, but the point is valid, especially on defense.

Guys like Pig Howard, Neal, CP, JH, and our entire OL on offense are those types of players we need. Our offense is one of the best in the country. Our defense is not there, outside of our starting DL, AJ, and Maggitt. Gray, Bonner, and McNeil are others, but they are freshmen. Long story short, based on the DBs we are recruiting this year, I can tell CDD is making that step in the right direction, but it's three years too late.

 

[SCvol333]

I don't think CDD is far away from recruiting the types of athletes necessary to succeed in this leauge, but the point is valid, especially on defense.

Guys like Pig Howard, Neal, CP, JH, and our entire OL on offense are those types of players we need. Our offense is one of the best in the country. Our defense is not there, outside of our starting DL, AJ, and Maggitt. Gray, Bonner, and McNeil are others, but they are freshmen. Long story short, based on the DBs we are recruiting this year, I can tell CDD is making that step in the right direction, but it's three years too late.

I agree - the offense certainly seems to be there and is putting up #s to prove it

defense is woeful and even on the DL im not giving it a pass - this is a school that played haynesworth and henderson at the same time - we have a lot of solid guys but at this point none of them are game-changers - game changers are the ones that win you games, see clowney vs us

LB's though imo are weaker than any other position - those big runs are typically the LB's being exposed - the LB class last year is terrible versus what you see at FLA, GA, LSU, bama - this year it isnt shaping up to be much better

i know secondary is weak but a lot of the big plays are runs, i know randolph was good coming up in run support but typically when you are depending on the secondary to stop the run its b/c your front 7 isnt any good - in a 3-4 this falls mainly on the LB's

 

[LynxVol]

I agree with you, but the amount of those big runs have gone down significantly since the UGA game.

 

[orangeB]

Unfortunately, we are still in the rebuilding process from a depleted roster. We are building depth in most positions and it will be this way no matter who the coach is. Spurrier is just now able to redshirt players for depth. I don't think it will take 7 years like it has for him. FLA and GA have almost twice as many as we do. I can't wait until we have a roster full of redshirts that have been training, practicing and learning. This isn't a fire, keep or excuse for CDD or hire Gruden or some other coach post. I'm just looking at where we are compared to the top SEC teams.

 

[ORNGFACTOR]

SIAP, but I think every UT football fan needs to read this article:

VolQuest.com - Chalk Talk: Big picture edition

"If we don't have a chancellor who is 100-percent committed to getting this program back to the championship level and if we don't have an athletic director with that commitment, then it really doesn't matter who your head football coach is, you're not going to get the results we all want to see from the football program."

The article also mentioned recruiting and coaching experience as an issue.

Great read...

My opinion...hang on to Dooley unless the bottom drops out next year but I would like to see a new offensive coordinator.

My hats are off to Coach Pitman and Coach Graham. I see marked improvement in our line and running game.

I simply do not think Bray's improvement has been that great. I dont think the offensive play calling has been that great and I am not certain that Chaney really understands X's and O's.

I think we can do better for an offensive coordinator. We can get someone who can recruit better on a national level.

Defensively, we just need to get off Sal's back and realize that the decision to go 3-4 this year was not the best. Having said that, we made the decision and now we need to stick with that decision and get the tallent to make that defense work. We need several tallented key players in the defense - especially in the secondary. AJ Johnson, Maggit - probably are our only two solid linebackers and Maggit is playing injured. Can you imagine doing a 3-4 with really only 1 decent linebacker and a young secondary? I think you can from seeing the past games.

 

[ORNGFACTOR]

I think if anything, we ask the boosters and Mr Haslam for some help - and not just in money donations. I always read where people think that throwing money at the issue will answer the problem. I'd like to see a few donations to improve the facilities and to get a quality offensive coordinator. Then I would love to see the boosters work with Hart in getting the chancellor to work with us.

 

[Tha Don]

"If we don't have a chancellor who is 100-percent committed to getting this program back to the championship level and if we don't have an athletic director with that commitment, then it really doesn't matter who your head football coach is, you're not going to get the results we all want to see from the football program."

The article also mentioned recruiting and coaching experience as an issue.

Great read...

My opinion...hang on to Dooley unless the bottom drops out next year but I would like to see a new offensive coordinator.

My hats are off to Coach Pitman and Coach Graham. I see marked improvement in our line and running game.

I simply do not think Bray's improvement has been that great. I dont think the offensive play calling has been that great and I am not certain that Chaney really understands X's and O's.

I think we can do better for an offensive coordinator. We can get someone who can recruit better on a national level.

Defensively, we just need to get off Sal's back and realize that the decision to go 3-4 this year was not the best. Having said that, we made the decision and now we need to stick with that decision and get the tallent to make that defense work. We need several tallented key players in the defense - especially in the secondary. AJ Johnson, Maggit - probably are our only two solid linebackers and Maggit is playing injured. Can you imagine doing a 3-4 with really only 1 decent linebacker and a young secondary? I think you can from seeing the past games.

:ermm: So 3rd in total offense and 4th in scoring offense isn't acceptable but being last in scoring defense and total defense is?!

:birgits_giggle:

 

[AbarVolfan15]

:ermm: So 3rd in total offense and 4th in scoring offense isn't acceptable but being last in scoring defense and total defense is?!

:birgits_giggle:

I think he is saying, the decision to go to the 3-4 wasn't smart because the VOLS needed wins NOW. However the 3-4 is the best scheme and it will pay off later. My only problem is a large percentage of playing defense is emotional and Sal should be emotionally preparing the team. It makes you think is it player talent, coaching or growing Pains of the 3-4.

 

[LynxVol]

:ermm: So 3rd in total offense and 4th in scoring offense isn't acceptable but being last in scoring defense and total defense is?!

:birgits_giggle:

Exactly. As Chaney has been forced to call more run plays, our offense has looked impressive. I have no idea what was going through his head the first three games of the season.

Sal should take nearly 100% of the blame. He's in charge of the defense completely, and CDD has corroborated that. Sal is in charge of making sure Conklin, Ansley, and Palermo are on the same page for a coaching aspect. Sal needs to oversee the development of each player and play them accordingly so that HIS team can succeed in HIS scheme. He seemed reluctant to take responsibility for that in a recent interview.

I have no sympathy for Sal.

 

[Tha Don]

I think he is saying, the decision to go to the 3-4 wasn't smart because the VOLS needed wins NOW. However the 3-4 is the best scheme and it will pay off later. My only problem is a large percentage of playing defense is emotional and Sal should be emotionally preparing the team. It makes you think is it player talent, coaching or growing Pains of the 3-4.

IMO, Sal is reactive rather than proactive. Rather than proactively scheming and planning to attack offense's weaknesses prior to playing them it appears that he is reacting & relying on bull headedness and HIS base scheme to be the end all be all. After we've given up 20 first downs (MS State) or 30 points, he realizes what the offense is doing and reacts.

Growing pains I get. Appeared lack of preparation, I do not.

 

[The Breakerboy]

I think the biggest problem is Dooley and crew are recruiting good talent but other teams are recruiting difference makers. Our offense has difference makers. Our defense has at best two real difference makers.

Maggitt(can't stay healthy) and McCullers(he's a problem in the middle) are our only two guys that can take games over at times. Everybody else like AJ Johnson, Sentimore(who needs to play like he did versus Bama all the time), and Couch are good players but they don't make teams gameplan for them. Sentimore with the same type of play he displayed versus Bama could be an impact guy but he's got to bring it.

The secondary is well the UT secondary. Dooley and crew haven't recruited a playmaker on Janzen and Berry's level yet. Bonner, McNeil, and Gray are the type of guys we should be after year in and year out. Having two decent safeties(Randolph and McNeil) on the whole team at UT is BS. Recruiting Orta to play safety instead of CB makes no sense to me. Especially after publicly Dooley stated we have to get bigger at safety. I just don't know because he's recruiting the same way this year. The secondary class is strong if we close with Bell. But the LBs, while they are good who's the elite guy in the class? Where's the elite pass rusher in this class? Where's the elite CB in this class? These are my concerns with Dooley and crew personally.

 

[LynxVol]

I think the biggest problem is Dooley and crew are recruiting good talent but other teams are recruiting difference makers. Our offense has difference makers. Our defense has at best two real difference makers.

Maggitt(can't stay healthy) and McCullers(he's a problem in the middle) are our only two guys that can take games over at times. Everybody else like AJ Johnson, Sentimore(who needs to play like he did versus Bama all the time), and Couch are good players but they don't make teams gameplan for them. Sentimore with the same type of play he displayed versus Bama could be an impact guy but he's got to bring it.

The secondary is well the UT secondary. Dooley and crew haven't recruited a playmaker on Janzen and Berry's level yet. Bonner, McNeil, and Gray are the type of guys we should be after year in and year out. Having two decent safeties(Randolph and McNeil) on the whole team at UT is BS. Recruiting Orta to play safety instead of CB makes no sense to me. Especially after publicly Dooley stated we have to get bigger at safety. I just don't know because he's recruiting the same way this year. The secondary class is strong if we close with Bell. But the LBs, while they are good who's the elite guy in the class? Where's the elite pass rusher in this class? Where's the elite CB in this class? These are my concerns with Dooley and crew personally.

Exactly, and I think they are starting to. But, I think it's 3 years too late.

Also, let's not judge this recruiting class yet. Finishing the class with Vonn Bell, Derrick Green, and Toby Johnson (and possibly Lawson) are the difference makers.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Exactly. As Chaney has been forced to call more run plays, our offense has looked impressive. I have no idea what was going through his head the first three games of the season.

Sal should take nearly 100% of the blame. He's in charge of the defense completely, and CDD has corroborated that. Sal is in charge of making sure Conklin, Ansley, and Palermo are on the same page for a coaching aspect. Sal needs to oversee the development of each player and play them accordingly so that HIS team can succeed in HIS scheme. He seemed reluctant to take responsibility for that in a recent interview.

I have no sympathy for Sal.

We're paying him 800,000 to run a basic defense.. if the guys you play are stronger in zone coverage and off coverage that's what you have to run until you can get players in that can play the coverage. It's up to a coordinator to play to his personnel's strengths. I can look at 23 and know this kid can't play press man. If he can't run with a WR why make him play coverages where he'll feel like he can't make plays. Let him run zone if your going to play him.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Exactly, and I think they are starting to. But, I think it's 3 years too late.

Also, let's not judge this recruiting class yet. Finishing the class with Vonn Bell, Derrick Green, and Toby Johnson (and possibly Lawson) are the difference makers.

Without a Lawson flip who is the backup plan for our pass rusher?

Why did we back off Goodman at DB?

And where's the LB in that group you named?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I think if anything, we ask the boosters and Mr Haslam for some help - and not just in money donations. I always read where people think that throwing money at the issue will answer the problem. I'd like to see a few donations to improve the facilities and to get a quality offensive coordinator. Then I would love to see the boosters work with Hart in getting the chancellor to work with us.

Your posts just astound me.

Have you not seen the new facilities?
Have we not put up massive points and established a running game in the process?

Chaney has his moments that mystify, but in the end, the scoreboard shows he is above average. If he uses the USCe gameplan, we would be one or two losses better, IMO. I bet you see that from here on out.

 

[AbarVolfan15]

Without a Lawson flip who is the backup plan for our pass rusher?

Why did we back off Goodman at DB?

And where's the LB in that group you named?

BB is 100% right here we need impact players at each level of the defense and it all starts with a pass rusher. Lawson is crucial, Yannick Ngakoue needs to be a top priority, and V.Bell is the impact guy for the 2ndary of this class.

 

[SCvol333]

Exactly. As Chaney has been forced to call more run plays, our offense has looked impressive. I have no idea what was going through his head the first three games of the season.

Sal should take nearly 100% of the blame. He's in charge of the defense completely, and CDD has corroborated that. Sal is in charge of making sure Conklin, Ansley, and Palermo are on the same page for a coaching aspect. Sal needs to oversee the development of each player and play them accordingly so that HIS team can succeed in HIS scheme. He seemed reluctant to take responsibility for that in a recent interview.

I have no sympathy for Sal.

completely agree - 85th against the run and 103 against the pass is not growing pains - it is incompetence

people like to bring up Georgia struggling the 1st year in the 3-4 - Grantham still had them 23rd in the country

we are 99th in total defense - this is the problem, not Chaney, not anything but the Sal Sunseri hire

further, according to the insiders Hart played a big role in the SS hire - if that is true i am not sure why some on here still have so much faith in Hart - what at this point has he proven?

 

[thunder5]

We're paying him 800,000 to run a basic defense.. if the guys you play are stronger in zone coverage and off coverage that's what you have to run until you can get players in that can play the coverage. It's up to a coordinator to play to his personnel's strengths. I can look at 23 and know this kid can't play press man. If he can't run with a WR why make him play coverages where he'll feel like he can't make plays. Let him run zone if your going to play him.

This is what has pissed me off about Sal...his stubbornness about changing his philosophy on pass coverage...

You don't have the players to play man...so don't play man...I have no idea why he's been so reluctant to change from press...

BTW...I think Campbell is a possible difference maker at LB...I've caught a few of his highlights from this year and he looks incredibly fast for that position...could be Maggit-esque for us...and I'm betting his star rating will reflect that when rivals does an update

 

[LynxVol]

Without a Lawson flip who is the backup plan for our pass rusher?

Why did we back off Goodman at DB?

And where's the LB in that group you named?

For pass rusher, I honestly think the staff is looking at De'Vondre Campbell. He has great athleticism. But, then again, there is still a lot of time left to find that pass rusher.

I don't think Goodman wants to leave the west coast, and if he does, he's going to go to a team that's successful right now with DBs, LSU.

We have a lot of guys at LB on the commitment list, but like you, I'm at a loss. We don't have the difference maker at LB right now. Lawson seems to be the only guy we have any hope of getting.

 

[Crookruss]

I love how Dooley got a 2 year pass on talent and Sunseri gets taken to the woodshed. I'm not saying either are great coaches, but the irony is thick. Hypocrisy all around.

 

[Neyland2nd2none]

As much as we all know CP would benefit from having another year I think his academic troubles will be the deciding factor.

Seeing that he really wasn't recruited at all out of HS because his grades were so bad & that he was very close to not even making it to UT this summer when he knew he had to hit the books hard makes me think he's gone regardless of which round he's projected to go in.

He could be doing well with grades this semester but seeing how he's struggled in the past & how he's caught the attention of NFL scouts makes me think he may already have made a decision.

He's the type of player that will have his stock skyrocket at the NFL combine. Guys with his size & speed don't come around every year. Some team will take a chance on him as a kick returner at least & then mold him into a NFL wr. JMO

 

[The Breakerboy]

I love how Dooley got a 2 year pass on talent and Sunseri gets taken to the woodshed. I'm not saying either are great coaches, but the irony is thick. Hypocrisy all around.

When you're paid the money he's being paid and the defense was better last year with the same players basically(outside of Malik Jackson and Austin Johnson good players). There are no excuses. He can't produce an average unit. Then Sal is from the "Saban tree" with this big rep he's supposed to be treated like this.