Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Yeah you’re ******. When I was that age I could get out of bed without a charlie horse happening.

Heck I’m only 29 pushing 30.... Sports and the Army and my current job have destroyed my body. Lol my back hurts all the time basically chronic pain. Oh well.

 

[kemotoe]

Which of our 3 stars will most likely be bumped to a 4 star and is Tee Hodge going to be a LB?

I appreciate Catbone’s futile attempt to bring us out of scholarship limit hell.

 

[butchna]

This is just all about replacing counters. 1 is taken off the rolls, 1 is added. The only rule getting around 25 limit is the 1 year rule or injury/illness.

If these dealt with ICs, there would be a corresponding rule about the signees limit, otherwise it doesn't really get around the annual limit.

But Ignont’s voluntarily vacated scholarship wouldn’t be an INITIAL counter. Forget the other transfers but theirs wouldn’t be either. I think the unanticipated lack of transfers BEFORE the season caused some complications but this was always the plan with Solomon and Montgomery. Can’t land many legit players this route but they landed two. We’ll be able to sign 25 in each class for the foreseeable future.

 

[butchna]

Heck I’m only 29 pushing 30.... Sports and the Army and my current job have destroyed my body. Lol my back hurts all the time basically chronic pain. Oh well.

It gets better...said no one ever.

 

[jakez4ut]

listened tot he VQ podcast today. couple things i thought that were interesting....the Kaho kid has moved way up the board apparently, staff really likes him a lot.

the staff is gonna have to work to hold on to Butler and Calloway...others will/are gonna come calling....they don't see anyone right now that the staff would give the git shirt to.....

LW is going to be given the opportunity to be a RB if he comes here, and b/c of that, they seem to think we lead with him....said usce dropped the ball here.

Tisdol is apparently holding out for a committable Auburn offer, his dream school. so we're going after him knowing we're playing a bit of a game here.....but they like him a lot too.

said that we're not giving up on Hardy or Ojulari. in the case of Hardy, too much invested to roll over..."gonna make Auburn earn it"...not quite the same tone for Ojulari, but they really like him and are still trying. i don't think they felt too confident on flipping either of them. did say there were still some scenarios with Ojulari that could work in our favor, like if Gilbert flipped to Bama, who is still trying hard with him, or if LSU got Philip Webb, would that push BJ out? lots of speculation, none of it sounded awfully good for our chances....but......it's recruiting. ish happens.

RB is a need, but they feel LW could address that, and if so, that means Hodge and LW would be it.

still need DL, WR and OL....still feel good about Baron, Thomas and Oxendine.....they're less concerned about WR because of how well Gibbs has done this year in that position on the scout team. no mention of Jarrett....did seem to think that if Jones Bell wants in, he's in....but that's another flip hopeful.....they like Banks as well from Olive Branch, but again, another flip candidate....

spots are getting tight, and things are heating up supposedly and they look for the Vandy game to be a realtively big weekend for visits.....

Darnell Washington seems to be between us, bama and ga...and he has a spot no matter what if we wants in....

speculation that we finish between 12 and 15. IF a couple bigger fish jump back in or get in, said they could see us sneak in to the top 10...but that's not as likely as it may have been over the summer.

Sewell...well...he got mentioned...but that was it. seems that ship may have already sailed.

Darrin Turner...nothing there...

seemed to allude to the notion that the potential of finishing 8-5...and get a big win early next year (ou and/or uf??) could translate in to next year's cycle being the "splash" class....tifiwiw....we're a long way out on that obviously.

no mention of any commitments coming up....no mention of grimes at all.

they figure 80% of the class signs on ESD in December.

 

[butchna]

Fwiw he said “being put on scholarship starting now”

Just rewatched the video

Good for you! Not worth much fwiw.

 

[vols 30]

I am a very proud orange glasses guy. I love every single one of our signees. They have committed to being here for the next 3-5 years to sweat and work to make themselves better players and people and to make my university a better place. While I wish that they all would grow and develop into fantastic football players, in the end, that does not matter to me. They are Vols. They want to be here. I will be forever grateful to them. They contribute in many ways, even if they are unable to get on the field on Saturdays. If they leave for greener pastures, then I appreciate what they did while they were here. Some of them get hurt. Some of them get in trouble. I am still appreciative about the folks who get in trouble as long as they are not hurting anyone else. If they fail some drug tests and get kicked off the team, I am still glad that they came here and contributed what they did. These are life-changing decisions for the most part, and these kids are making the same one that I did. I did not play football, of course, but I chose to attend the University of Tennessee. They are kindred spirits. We should all appreciate them. Thank you for your time and attention.

That's great, but I want to get back to our 1990's level. We ain't getting there with low 3 stars with a Sunbelt offer list

 

[TrippieRedd]

listened tot he VQ podcast today. couple things i thought that were interesting....the Kaho kid has moved way up the board apparently, staff really likes him a lot.

the staff is gonna have to work to hold on to Butler and Calloway...others will/are gonna come calling....they don't see anyone right now that the staff would give the git shirt to.....

LW is going to be given the opportunity to be a RB if he comes here, and b/c of that, they seem to think we lead with him....said usce dropped the ball here.

Tisdol is apparently holding out for a committable Auburn offer, his dream school. so we're going after him knowing we're playing a bit of a game here.....but they like him a lot too.

said that we're not giving up on Hardy or Ojulari. in the case of Hardy, too much invested to roll over..."gonna make Auburn earn it"...not quite the same tone for Ojulari, but they really like him and are still trying. i don't think they felt too confident on flipping either of them. did say there were still some scenarios with Ojulari that could work in our favor, like if Gilbert flipped to Bama, who is still trying hard with him, or if LSU got Philip Webb, would that push BJ out? lots of speculation, none of it sounded awfully good for our chances....but......it's recruiting. ish happens.

RB is a need, but they feel LW could address that, and if so, that means Hodge and LW would be it.

still need DL, WR and OL....still feel good about Baron, Thomas and Oxendine.....they're less concerned about WR because of how well Gibbs has done this year in that position on the scout team. no mention of Jarrett....did seem to think that if Jones Bell wants in, he's in....but that's another flip hopeful.....they like Banks as well from Olive Branch, but again, another flip candidate....

spots are getting tight, and things are heating up supposedly and they look for the Vandy game to be a realtively big weekend for visits.....

Darnell Washington seems to be between us, bama and ga...and he has a spot no matter what if we wants in....

speculation that we finish between 12 and 15. IF a couple bigger fish jump back in or get in, said they could see us sneak in to the top 10...but that's not as likely as it may have been over the summer.

Sewell...well...he got mentioned...but that was it. seems that ship may have already sailed.

Darrin Turner...nothing there...

seemed to allude to the notion that the potential of finishing 8-5...and get a big win early next year (ou and/or uf??) could translate in to next year's cycle being the "splash" class....tifiwiw....we're a long way out on that obviously.

no mention of any commitments coming up....no mention of grimes at all.

they figure 80% of the class signs on ESD in December.

So
Oxendine
Baron
Whitehead
Thomas
and DW
I'd take that and be happy.
Oh and TJB. That has to be a top 12 class.

 

[butchna]

15.5.6.4 Exceptions. [FBS/FCS]

15.5.6.4.2 Voluntary Withdrawal From the Institution During the Academic Year. [FBS/ FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws (e.g., transfer, official religious mission) from the institution during the academic year by providing the financial aid to another student-athlete, including an incoming student-athlete, beginning with the ensuing term (e.g., spring semester, winter or spring quarter) without making the second student-athlete a counter for the remainder of that academic year. The departing student-athlete’s aid may be canceled upon the institution’s receipt of a signed statement from the student-athlete releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. If such a statement is received, a hearing opportunity (per Bylaw 15.3.2.3) is not required. (Adopted: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)

Also:
15.5.6.3.5 Aid First Awarded After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90, 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)

Academic year being fall/spring semester...so were any of the 3 awarded here in the spring as early enrollees?

Bruin right now...

 

[VFLBerg]

Good for you! Not worth much fwiw.

That blows the one semester scholarship idea out of the water then.

 

[butchna]

Well I guess I am Saying that we either lost 3 spots yesterday or gained1 on the 25. Solomon sure won’t count if the others don’t it they all Stay on $


I find it hard to believe they count I just want to see the Rule that explains it

You already have...requires comprehension ability as well as contrarian mode release.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Well I guess I am Saying that we either lost 3 spots yesterday or gained1 on the 25. Solomon sure won’t count if the others don’t it they all Stay on $


I find it hard to believe they count I just want to see the Rule that explains it

Solomon WAS ALREADY COUNTED as part of the 2019 class against our 25 limit. He's one of the 22. So whatever point you think you're making about him has zero weight. Solomon is an initial against 2019, he just for whatever reason wasn't awarded a scholarship until now. Probably related to academic concerns.

The big headache here is the "why" we only had 22 in 2019 and 22 in 2018. And if that means we had any available counters for those two classes. Cause all 3 of these freshmen could be counted towards 2019 OR 2020, depending on how many counters we had/have available from 2019.

McBride should be 1 for sure...and Solomon was in the original 22 already. So that only leaves us wonder where the 1 came from. Tanner Antonutti is the only non football scholarship from the 2018 class...well and Banks now.

So, if Tanner voluntarily withdrew during this academic year then his counter could be used in the awarded year (2019) which technically I think has "3" free spots, since we only counted 22/25. Then with Banks you could look under bylaw 15.5.6.4.3 (replacement of an ineligible student-athlete) the counter could go against 2019 (awarded year) or ensuing academic year (2020).

So there might be a wrinkle in the fact that we "only" used 22 in '18 & '19 and the Butch Jones mess of back counting/forward counting was resolved through some recent updates to the bylaws.

 

[jakez4ut]

So
Oxendine
Baron
Whitehead
Thomas
and DW
I'd take that and be happy.

i would too, and that leaves 2 spots to fill. and i'm starting to think that the kaho kid is getting one of them....

i think they're trying to save at least one spot for one of those DL guys in case they flip...BJ, JH or JB...or Morven Joseph....but he seems more likely to wind up at UF at this point....but i think they like that kid a lot too....may be a case of whichever one decides to jump in....i think they'd like to think one of them will......but they're all flip candidates. so who knows. after those guys, is when you get in to what i think are the back up plan prospects at DL/DE....

 

[TrippieRedd]

i would too, and that leaves 2 spots to fill. and i'm starting to think that the kaho kid is getting one of them....

i think they're trying to save at least one spot for one of those DL guys in case they flip...BJ, JH or JB...or Morven Joseph....but he seems more likely to wind up at UF at this point....but i think they like that kid a lot too....may be a case of whichever one decides to jump in....i think they'd like to think one of them will......but they're all flip candidates. so who knows. after those guys, is when you get in to what i think are the back up plan prospects at DL/DE....

So
DW
Baron
Thomas
TJB
Oxendine
Whitehead
Kaho
and Last spot for a DL flip. Yeah that sounds about right and would be a great finish to the class.
I would love to add Morven, but like you said it will prob be Florida. Never know, maybe this Justin Rogers thing has legs. Time will tell.

 

[BruinVol]

Solomon WAS ALREADY COUNTED as part of the 2019 class against our 25 limit. He's one of the 22. So whatever point you think you're making about him has zero weight. Solomon is an initial against 2019, he just for whatever reason wasn't awarded a scholarship until now. Probably related to academic concerns.

The big headache here is the "why" we only had 22 in 2019 and 22 in 2018. And if that means we had any available counters for those two classes. Cause all 3 of these freshmen could be counted towards 2019 OR 2020, depending on how many counters we had/have available from 2019.

McBride should be 1 for sure...and Solomon was in the original 22 already. So that only leaves us wonder where the 1 came from. Tanner Antonutti is the only non football scholarship from the 2018 class...well and Banks now.

So, if Tanner voluntarily withdrew during this academic year then his counter could be used in the awarded year (2019) which technically I think has "3" free spots, since we only counted 22/25. Then with Banks you could look under bylaw 15.5.6.4.3 (replacement of an ineligible student-athlete) the counter could go against 2019 (awarded year) or ensuing academic year (2020).

So there might be a wrinkle in the fact that we "only" used 22 in '18 & '19 and the Butch Jones mess of back counting/forward counting was resolved through some recent updates to the bylaws.

It appears to me it’s either all 3 count or all dont

If they all count then they all can placed in any combination in the 19 or 20 class

I don’t think we should assume Solomon counts in the 19 class

 

[JAllen18]

I think we'll see a lot of new names in January.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It appears to me it’s either all 3 count or all dont

If they all count then they all can placed in any combination in the 19 or 20 class

I don’t think we should assume Solomon counts in the 19 class

Well they have to all count Bruin...otherwise they wouldn't be awarded scholarships.

Geeze man, it's too bad a thread can't ignore a poster. You're either really, really good at trolling or one of the most airheaded posters on this forum.

 

[Aesius]

That is crazy..we had a kid years ago that was here forever because of injuries..can't remember which it was.

Someone with a long recruiting period and a redshirt senior year I'm guessing. Dillon Bates might fit that profile. Thread started in mid-2012 and played here until late 2018.

 

[BruinVol]

Well they have to all count Bruin...otherwise they wouldn't be awarded scholarships.

Geeze man, it's too bad a thread can't ignore a poster. You're either really, really good at trolling or one of the most airheaded posters on this forum.

Good grief

I’m talking about counting as an initial counter, toward the 25


Sure they count toward the 85

 

[mrMet]

I go to the gym everyday around 5:30 am. Today I was treated with watching a grown man pick his nose , look at his finger , and promptly pop a booger in his mouth. I will be skipping breakfast this morning.

Ha chump. Some of us are already working by that time!

 

[butchna]

Well they have to all count Bruin...otherwise they wouldn't be awarded scholarships.

Geeze man, it's too bad a thread can't ignore a poster. You're either really, really good at trolling or one of the most airheaded posters on this forum.

He’s not good at trolling.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I think we'll see a lot of new names in January.

Please dont let OD know about it.

 

[Catbone]

listened tot he VQ podcast today. couple things i thought that were interesting....the Kaho kid has moved way up the board apparently, staff really likes him a lot.

the staff is gonna have to work to hold on to Butler and Calloway...others will/are gonna come calling....they don't see anyone right now that the staff would give the git shirt to.....

LW is going to be given the opportunity to be a RB if he comes here, and b/c of that, they seem to think we lead with him....said usce dropped the ball here.

Tisdol is apparently holding out for a committable Auburn offer, his dream school. so we're going after him knowing we're playing a bit of a game here.....but they like him a lot too.

said that we're not giving up on Hardy or Ojulari. in the case of Hardy, too much invested to roll over..."gonna make Auburn earn it"...not quite the same tone for Ojulari, but they really like him and are still trying. i don't think they felt too confident on flipping either of them. did say there were still some scenarios with Ojulari that could work in our favor, like if Gilbert flipped to Bama, who is still trying hard with him, or if LSU got Philip Webb, would that push BJ out? lots of speculation, none of it sounded awfully good for our chances....but......it's recruiting. ish happens.

RB is a need, but they feel LW could address that, and if so, that means Hodge and LW would be it.

still need DL, WR and OL....still feel good about Baron, Thomas and Oxendine.....they're less concerned about WR because of how well Gibbs has done this year in that position on the scout team. no mention of Jarrett....did seem to think that if Jones Bell wants in, he's in....but that's another flip hopeful.....they like Banks as well from Olive Branch, but again, another flip candidate....

spots are getting tight, and things are heating up supposedly and they look for the Vandy game to be a realtively big weekend for visits.....

Darnell Washington seems to be between us, bama and ga...and he has a spot no matter what if we wants in....

speculation that we finish between 12 and 15. IF a couple bigger fish jump back in or get in, said they could see us sneak in to the top 10...but that's not as likely as it may have been over the summer.

Sewell...well...he got mentioned...but that was it. seems that ship may have already sailed.

Darrin Turner...nothing there...

seemed to allude to the notion that the potential of finishing 8-5...and get a big win early next year (ou and/or uf??) could translate in to next year's cycle being the "splash" class....tifiwiw....we're a long way out on that obviously.

no mention of any commitments coming up....no mention of grimes at all.

they figure 80% of the class signs on ESD in December.

Really really really need to win out

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Heck I’m only 29 pushing 30.... Sports and the Army and my current job have destroyed my body. Lol my back hurts all the time basically chronic pain. Oh well.

That's rough. There's a lot of emerging tech with spinal implants. I hope that you find relief.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I think we'll see a lot of new names in January.

Since we're already talking about all the really good prospects, I'm not sure how new names is a good thing.