Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[BruinVol]

The link doesn’t work

I’d love to read it

https://247sports.com/college/lsu/Article/NCAA-recruiting-rules-for-college-football-111304065/

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

FYP...

@Orange defense, @coskramer is worried about you...

 

[engineerVOL]

Wish they would of given Shrout a longer leash. He still hasn’t thrown a pick and they have yanked him every time. I think he has higher upside than Maurer but that’s just me.

Same.

 

[jordan4vols]

It’s like people have all the sudden forgotten we lose the KY game if JG doesn’t come in. He’s not Tua but right now he’s the best we’ve seen. They just don’t need to tailor a detailed plan for him. Tailor the plan like it has been for Maurer etc. I think that’s why he does better off the bench. The game plan is a bit freshman downed if you will

 

[chargervol]

Are they confident that Maurer can be the future at QB?

Paraphrasing from memory but.. He's making some mistakes and not doing this and that "but he's a freshman and that's ok, that's what freshmen are supposed to do".

Pruitt seemed to have no complaints on his physical abilities, his throws etc..
I th ink he likes him but just would prefer old school development, *if he has a choice.

 

[rjd970]

JG is probably the smart choice against a good defense on the road, but man, he is better off the bench. I almost want to see BM out there on a short leash and have JG come in and clean up.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

The link doesn’t work

I’d love to read it

Try this

https://247sport.com/college.lsu/Article/NCAA/recruiting/rules/college/football/11304065/

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It’s like people have all the sudden forgotten we lose the KY game if JG doesn’t come in. He’s not Tua but right now he’s the best we’ve seen. They just don’t need to tailor a detailed plan for him. Tailor the plan like it has been for Maurer etc. I think that’s why he does better off the bench. The game plan is a bit freshman downed if you will

I haven't forgotten anything..I just believe coming off the bench works for him. Hope everybody's right, but...

 

[Pane di mais]

Wish they would of given Shrout a longer leash. He still hasn’t thrown a pick and they have yanked him every time. I think he has higher upside than Maurer but that’s just me.

He has some bad habits and so far he has reverted to them when under pressure. I think if he takes to his coaching he will get more chances. That pass where he hit Marquez in stride is the pass of the year so far, from the QB side, at least. Gorgeous.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

He has some bad habits and so far he has reverted to them when under pressure. I think if he takes to his coaching he will get more chances. That pass where he hit Marquez in stride is the pass of the year so far, from the QB side, at least. Gorgeous.

Yeah hopefully he just continues to develop. I am glad they are trying to rid him of bad habits though. It’s good for his development.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I'm thinking they'll start Guarantano this week. For some reason I just get the feeling that they're really not that high on Maurer. My way too early prediction going into next year is Guarantano is our starter with Bailey being the backup.

I disagree. Maurer is injury prone and needed a redshirt year. I think they love his ability and want him to develop into the guy next year. His mobility is a huge asset. He needed a redshirt year to bulk up and grow as a QB.

 

[Batman1948]

It's amazing that some people on VN know more about Class counters than the coaches.

Class counters? Where have you been? Some VN posters can coach in the NFL. I see it almost every day.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Guys,

I’m going to be honest with you. Every time I go to Tennessee Vols Football Twitter and I see “Butch Jones” on there as still being a follower I want to break my phone.

 

[NMVol]

Give JJ the 1st quarter at QB. That's what I say.

 

[Vols_Life]

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[Pepe]

A wise quote from a senior receiver

Lesson learned from Jones "Dobbs way works better than my infallible system"

 

[Pane di mais]

I hope JG does well. He has always seemed more relaxed off the bench.

Yeah hopefully he just continues to develop. I am glad they are trying to rid him of bad habits though. It’s good for his development.

I have in mind that panic when he runs backwards away from the rush, and his being prone to try to throw across his body to the opposite side of the field under pressure. I wonder if his go-to guy in HS was over there. But I'm far from being a QB coach. I'm sure I don't recognize a lot of it. He got pulled last time for rolling to the right when we were flooding that side and not even looking that way but trying to force the ball in across body and field.

I bet he does better this week. I hope he gets to go in (a) when we have a lead and (b) they let him throw. I wanna see another long ball!

 

[Pane di mais]

Lesson learned from Jones "Dobbs way works better than my infallible system"

That was some backyard stuff.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Well, I can't find anything in the NCAA manual that clearly (key word) states grad transfer MUST COUNT as initial counters.

Here's what I now know for certain.

We signed 22 in 2018 and we signed 22 in 2019. In 2018 we had 2 grad transfers (Chyrst & London) in 2019 we had 4 grad transfers (Aubrey, Gibbs, Hill, Collins) 2 of which walked on.

So even if these grad transfers HAVE TO COUNT against an initial, 2018 would grow to 24 (1 short of the full 25) and 2019 would also grow to 24. That would mean that 2019 could have been a 26 class had we maximized it, with the 1 leftover from 2018.

The only way to sign more than 25 in the new system. So we had 2 initial counters between those two classes, then we had 2 players medical that were in those classes. So there was at least 4 initial counters that could be used to allow walk-ons to be given scholarships.

Aubrey & Gibbs could have been counted towards the 2018 class OR the 2019 class. So in short even with the transfers we still had 2 initial unused counters, and added 2 more with medical retirements. We've also gained lots of counters towards our 85 with transfers and other medical retirements. As of 11/17/19 per a Knoxnews article we had a total of 76 on scholarship (including injured & redshirts) So even with the 3 new scholarships we'd only be at 79 going into the 2020 class.

We've got 28 players on the team (not all on scholarship) who are in at least their 4th year (Redshirt Juniors, Seniors, and Redshirt Seniors). So at this point the 85 maximum limit is the only likely factor into the 25 cap for the 2020 class. We'll have at least 20 spots available going in the 2020 class, and depending on how many RS-Jrs decide to hang it up we could add more, plus we may have some guys chose to transfer out.

 

[BruinVol]

Well, I can't find anything in the NCAA manual that clearly (key word) states grad transfer MUST COUNT as initial counters.

Here's what I now know for certain.

We signed 22 in 2018 and we signed 22 in 2019. In 2018 we had 2 grad transfers (Chyrst & London) in 2019 we had 4 grad transfers (Aubrey, Gibbs, Hill, Collins) 2 of which walked on.

So even if these grad transfers HAVE TO COUNT against an initial, 2018 would grow to 24 (1 short of the full 25) and 2019 would also grow to 24. That would mean that 2019 could have been a 26 class had we maximized it, with the 1 leftover from 2018.

The only way to sign more than 25 in the new system. So we had 2 initial counters between those two classes, then we had 2 players medical that were in those classes. So there was at least 4 initial counters that could be used to allow walk-ons to be given scholarships.

Aubrey & Gibbs could have been counted towards the 2018 class OR the 2019 class. So in short even with the transfers we still had 2 initial unused counters, and added 2 more with medical retirements. We've also gained lots of counters towards our 85 with transfers and other medical retirements. As of 11/17/19 per a Knoxnews article we had a total of 76 on scholarship (including injured & redshirts) So even with the 3 new scholarships we'd only be at 79 going into the 2020 class.

We've got 28 players on the team (not all on scholarship) who are in at least their 4th year (Redshirt Juniors, Seniors, and Redshirt Seniors). So at this point the 85 maximum limit is the only likely factor into the 25 cap for the 2020. We'll have at least 20 spots available going into 2020, and depending on how many RS-Jrs decide to hang it up we could add more, plus we may have some guys chose to transfer out.

@Devo182 will have the bylaw that says transfers count toward the 25


I remember hubbs doing a long talk about taking the two transfers that first year and that making the next years class be under 25. He was questioning that strategy and with how that year went it wasn’t worth it.

 

[Batman1948]

JJJ is the only Vol of any sport I've ever had inside info on, and probably the only one I ever will. I can say without a doubt that he has no plans or desire to be a one-and-doner. If he changes his mind it won't be because he sets college bb on fire.

Triple J and the three we signed last week are gonna be scary good.

 

[Pepe]

That was some backyard stuff.

Yeah, when I was a kid, our back yard was covered with dog crap

 

[Devo182]

@Devo182 will have the bylaw that says transfers count toward the 25


I remember hubbs doing a long talk about taking the two transfers that first year and that making the next years class be under 25. He was questioning that strategy and with how that year went it wasn’t worth it.

No bylaw needs to make it explicit. It would need an exception. It is implicit in the signing limit. They have to sign an FAA to go on scholarship. Without an exception, everyone counts. Besides, if transfers didn't count, no one would really care how many we took.

Callahan has said a million times all transfers count, they must sign. Just a simple google search reveals tons of articles that repeat this. If transfers didn't count, we'd take a ton each year and no one would ask how it affects numbers. Notice our HS signees + transfers hasn't exceeded 25 since the hard cap went into place, for a reason.

This is commonly known, let's move on to Mizzouri.

 

[85SugarVol]

It’s a big game because 7-5 and 5-3 in the sec is just a lot different than 6-6. Guarantees a winning season. And would give 4 wins that most would have had as tossups at best

Going 8-5 after that 0-2 start would really be saying something.

6-6 is one bowl loss from a losing record...

Technically it would be going 8-3 after that 0-2 start

@chavisut will be thrilled to see you’re already predicting a win over TBD, they’re always tough come Bowl season.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

@Devo182 will have the bylaw that says transfers count toward the 25


I remember hubbs doing a long talk about taking the two transfers that first year and that making the next years class be under 25. He was questioning that strategy and with how that year went it wasn’t worth it.

That bylaw doesn't exist Bruin, I know because I've been looking for it in the NCAA Manual @Devo182 would be looking in.

What I did find that probably helped us with the 2018 grad transfers is this bylaw

15.5.1.5 Eligibility Exhausted.
A student-athlete receiving institutional financial aid after having exhausted his or her eligibility in a sport is not a counter in that sport in later academic years following completion of eligibility in the sport. For this provision to be applicable, the student-athlete is otherwise eligible for the aid and is not permitted to take part in organized, institutional practice sessions in that sport unless the individual has eligibility remaining under the five-year rule. (See Bylaw 15.3.1 for eligibility for financial aid.) (Revised: 1/10/91)

Of course, this is only related to the 85...but basically as soon as London/Chryst both exhausted their eligibility they can't be counted against the 85 in later academic years. (in this case they both exhausted eligibility prior to 2019 and thus couldn't count against 2019...not even as initial counters towards the 25 for 2019)