Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[HoleInTheRoof]

And Jim Chaney is not a pathetic OC. He's been saddled with Pruitt, not the other way around.

Chaney runs a bland offense that relies on talent. If he can’t overwhelm the opponent with talent he’s not that difficult to scheme against. Unoriginal, uncreative, bland, boring, predictable.

 

[rjd970]

He has had two OC’s now and it has been his choice to keep our two worst coaches (Friend and Weinke). Offense is still garbage. We have to stop giving him excuses.

There is no reason on the field why Friend should still be on staff. None. He has four 5-stars and a 5th year senior 4-star on that line and they are still hot garbage. With a basic level of coaching competence there is no reason that unit shouldn't be dominating every single snap.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I've got to think if people who carried over next year start calling and cancelling it will turn some heads.

It’s coming soon. Wait til we lose this weekend and get blown out by Florida and A&M (if played). I think many are waiting to see how the season goes and will cancel when we finish 3-7. My friends are waiting until after Florida and see what the record is. I bet we start to see an exodus after UF.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Chaney runs a bland offense that relies on talent. If he can’t overwhelm the opponent with talent he’s not that difficult to scheme against. Unoriginal, uncreative, bland, boring, predictable.

I think that was the book on him at Georgia, but part of it might be that Jeremy Pruitt is a thicker-headed version of Kirby Smart.

Chaney certainly didn't out-talent anyone at Arkansas, Pittsburgh or UT in his first stint.

 

[jakez4ut]

the conversations the past week or so are strange. while i certainly get, and agree with some, of the discontent around pruitt...i stil don't get the impression that anything is iminent.

i think this year, this season in particular presents some unique challenges with how/when the season will end, vs. the early signing period....while i don't think a single class should dictate decisions like this, i do think it's worth consideration situationally. and situationally, man...does our roster need to take yet another step backwards, delaying, again, any development in to anythiung resembling a quality SEC team?

i mean, there's just no defending the results and as we sit here today, i can't really deny some things that look like they're either troubling trends or looking like they could wind up being troubling trends.

but that's not the whole picture....i think we all agree, especially with the last two cycles, and the majorit of what this class looks like the roster is getting remade and updgraded.

we are a qb away from probabl being "decent". and we've known that for a while.

i'm not the most patient person by nature. but man...i'm not sure pulling the trigger on pruitt now is the right thing for the long term health....

the big caveat to all that for me has nothing to do with whether or not we should fire pruitt.

it has EVERYTHING to do with who we would hire. and that's where i get cold feet. i have zero faith that we'd go get a guy that would immediately fill us with excitement, while also striking a little fear in to our compeition...and could also give current recruits a reason to either stick with us and/or turn a couple our way....

if you make this decision, this season, it absolutely has to be win all the way around with the hire....but dont dare fire jeremy pruitt and then hire 'who gives a crap' coach from 'never heard of it' university.

i'm in on Hugh Freeze...i'm in on talking 1 of a few coaches not currently in coaching jobs in to taking the job....past that....i don't know that we'd be upgrading a ton....

i don't want to fire a guy that we all pretty much agreed would take 3-5 years to "fix" it to hire another guy that probably needs 3-5 years to fix it again.

so i'm fine with waiting to see what happens by the end of the season....then, whatever happens, happens....at the end of the day, if he winds up sucking hind parts, he should get fired. if we turn it around, well, he's managed to have pulled rabbits out of his at two years in a row and we'll see what they do next year....again.

 

[bignewt]

tl dr

 

[Ron Swanson]

You non believers that he’ll be fired this year have very short memories of the colossal screw ups in Pruitt’s short tenure. It reminds me of how so many this off season actually bought the hype that JG was going to be better.

As we know I’m the biggest optimist on this board but I’ve seen the reality and I’ve not forgotten.

Pruitt has shuffled in/out more assistants in his 3 years than I can remember a staff doing. And none of it has made us better.

He’s been blown out more times in his 3 years at UT than the last few coaches combined (or some similar scary stat).

He has the highest paid OC in the country, one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country, one of the highest paid DC’s in the country. And we still get blown out by UK and Ark and are staring a Vandy loss and 2-8 right in the face.

All this behind the scenes talk of losing the upper class men, firing assistant mid season, Hubbs calling him out publicly (something he’s never done before).

Assistants refused the pay cuts. Rumors of Pruitt telling folks he’ll just go back to Bama. His dumb blank stare with no passion week after week in the press conferences.

I’m no mathematician but all this, and plenty more I forgot to list, adds up to it’s time to pull the plug. It’s inevitable and when it’s inevitable good leadership does it now. Weak leadership waits.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

If at the beginning of Pruitt's tenure someone told you he would be 2-8 or 3-7 at the end of season 3 what would you say? Fire or keep another year?Even throwing the Covid issues in there wouldn't change most people's minds that Pruitt should be fired for that type of performance in year 3 with Tennesse's resources. You can blame QB play all you want but not having a competent #2 at least serviceable by this point is a huge black eye.

 

[jakez4ut]

tl dr

 

[Kingston Vol]

the conversations the past week or so are strange. while i certainly get, and agree with some, of the discontent around pruitt...i stil don't get the impression that anything is iminent.

i think this year, this season in particular presents some unique challenges with how/when the season will end, vs. the early signing period....while i don't think a single class should dictate decisions like this, i do think it's worth consideration situationally. and situationally, man...does our roster need to take yet another step backwards, delaying, again, any development in to anythiung resembling a quality SEC team?

i mean, there's just no defending the results and as we sit here today, i can't really deny some things that look like they're either troubling trends or looking like they could wind up being troubling trends.

but that's not the whole picture....i think we all agree, especially with the last two cycles, and the majorit of what this class looks like the roster is getting remade and updgraded.

we are a qb away from probabl being "decent". and we've known that for a while.

i'm not the most patient person by nature. but man...i'm not sure pulling the trigger on pruitt now is the right thing for the long term health....

the big caveat to all that for me has nothing to do with whether or not we should fire pruitt.

it has EVERYTHING to do with who we would hire. and that's where i get cold feet. i have zero faith that we'd go get a guy that would immediately fill us with excitement, while also striking a little fear in to our compeition...and could also give current recruits a reason to either stick with us and/or turn a couple our way....

if you make this decision, this season, it absolutely has to be win all the way around with the hire....but dont dare fire jeremy pruitt and then hire 'who gives a crap' coach from 'never heard of it' university.

i'm in on Hugh Freeze...i'm in on talking 1 of a few coaches not currently in coaching jobs in to taking the job....past that....i don't know that we'd be upgrading a ton....

i don't want to fire a guy that we all pretty much agreed would take 3-5 years to "fix" it to hire another guy that probably needs 3-5 years to fix it again.

so i'm fine with waiting to see what happens by the end of the season....then, whatever happens, happens....at the end of the day, if he winds up sucking hind parts, he should get fired. if we turn it around, well, he's managed to have pulled rabbits out of his at two years in a row and we'll see what they do next year....again.

I wonder if something you're getting at in this post is actually protecting Pruitt in some people's minds - whether those people are boosters or just average fans like you and me.

Is JG taking some of the heat off of the head coach? Because he might be.

Part of my thinking is, once the shine is off the new toy (Harrison Bailey), people will really see this roster and coaching staff for what it is. And when that happens, it will get ugly.

 

[volsfan_17]

If at the beginning of Pruitt's tenure someone told you he would be 2-8 or 3-7 at the end of season 3 what would you say? Fire or keep another year. Even throwing the Covid issues in there wouldn't change most people's minds that Pruitt should be fired for that type of performance in year 3 with Tennesse's resources. You can blame QB play all you want be not having a competent #2 at least serviceable by this point is a huge black eye.

Agreed, I think the 3-5 year rebuild thought process was in regards to competing for SEC championships, not to get to .500. Some of the excuses continually used as rationale for not making a move are 100% self inflicted by CJP himself.

 

[jakez4ut]

I wonder if something you're getting at in this post is actually protecting Pruitt in some people's minds - whether those people are boosters or just average fans like you and me.

Is JG taking some of the heat off of the head coach? Because he might be.

Part of my thinking is, once the shine is off the new toy (Harrison Bailey), people will really see this roster and coaching staff for what it is. And when that happens, it will get ugly.

well, i've long said that had CBJ not had Josh Dobbs, he'd of probably been fired after the 2015 season.....

so i can see how the opposite could be true for Pruitt, that JG could be the expediting factor in his dismissal....

two ends to every spectrum....so i'd put it in the "possibly" category.

 

[Ron Swanson]

If at the beginning of Pruitt's tenure someone told you he would be 2-8 or 3-7 at the end of season 3 what would you say? Fire or keep another year. Even throwing the Covid issues in there wouldn't change most people's minds that Pruitt should be fired for that type of performance in year 3 with Tennesse's resources. You can blame QB play all you want but not having a competent #2 at least serviceable by this point is a huge black eye.

I agree. People keep moving the goal posts and ignoring reality.

 

[volsfan_17]

If at the beginning of Pruitt's tenure someone told you he would be 2-8 or 3-7 at the end of season 3 what would you say? Fire or keep another year. Even throwing the Covid issues in there wouldn't change most people's minds that Pruitt should be fired for that type of performance in year 3 with Tennesse's resources. You can blame QB play all you want be not having a competent #2 at least serviceable by this point is a huge black eye.

Agreed, I think the 3-5 year rebuild thought process was in regards to competing for SEC championships, not to get to .500. Some of the excuses continually used as rationale for not making a move are 100% self inflicted by CJP himself.

You non believers that he’ll be fired this year have very short memories of the colossal screw ups in Pruitt’s short tenure. It reminds me of how so many this off season actually bought the hype that JG was going to be better.

As we know I’m the biggest optimist on this board but I’ve seen the reality and I’ve not forgotten.

Pruitt has shuffled in/out more assistants in his 3 years than I can remember a staff doing. And none of it has made us better.

He’s been blown out more times in his 3 years at UT than the last few coaches combined (or some similar scary stat).

He has the highest paid OC in the country, one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country, one of the highest paid DC’s in the country. And we still get blown out by UK and Ark and are staring a Vandy loss and 2-8 right in the face.

All this behind the scenes talk of losing the upper class men, firing assistant mid season, Hubbs calling him out publicly (something he’s never done before).

Assistants refused the pay cuts. Rumors of Pruitt telling folks he’ll just go back to Bama. His dumb blank stare with no passion week after week in the press conferences.

I’m no mathematician but all this, and plenty more I forgot to list, adds up to it’s time to pull the plug. It’s inevitable and when it’s inevitable good leadership does it now. Weak leadership waits.

Agreed Ron - there's way too much smoke both in results and behind the scenes (based on Hubbs comments) to not think this is different than the previous coaching changes have been.

 

[millst987]

You non believers that he’ll be fired this year have very short memories of the colossal screw ups in Pruitt’s short tenure. It reminds me of how so many this off season actually bought the hype that JG was going to be better.

As we know I’m the biggest optimist on this board but I’ve seen the reality and I’ve not forgotten.

Pruitt has shuffled in/out more assistants in his 3 years than I can remember a staff doing. And none of it has made us better.

He’s been blown out more times in his 3 years at UT than the last few coaches combined (or some similar scary stat).

He has the highest paid OC in the country, one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country, one of the highest paid DC’s in the country. And we still get blown out by UK and Ark and are staring a Vandy loss and 2-8 right in the face.

All this behind the scenes talk of losing the upper class men, firing assistant mid season, Hubbs calling him out publicly (something he’s never done before).

Assistants refused the pay cuts. Rumors of Pruitt telling folks he’ll just go back to Bama. His dumb blank stare with no passion week after week in the press conferences.

I’m no mathematician but all this, and plenty more I forgot to list, adds up to it’s time to pull the plug. It’s inevitable and when it’s inevitable good leadership does it now. Weak leadership waits.

Can’t say I disagree here
Plus, you have a guy ready and wiling to come.
All we need to do is make the call.

 

[BAJAvol]

What gets me is everyone saying "well Fulmer and everyone knew this would be a 4-5 year rebuild." Ok cool. That is fine if you have progress year to year similar to Butch's first 3 years. But when you are worse in year 3 than you were in year 1, all of that goes out the window.

 

[gordonr24]

Hugh Freeze isn’t Saban, but he would be the first actual coach we’ve had since Kiffin’s lone year. He’s also our best option that would possibly and likely take the UT job. Dooley, Butch, and now Pruitt could recruit talent to Rocky Top but couldn’t develop talent, outscheme, and establish a winning culture. The common denominator has been poor coaching and talent development with our prior 3 coaches.

 

[bignewt]

 

[jakez4ut]

You non believers that he’ll be fired this year have very short memories of the colossal screw ups in Pruitt’s short tenure. It reminds me of how so many this off season actually bought the hype that JG was going to be better.

As we know I’m the biggest optimist on this board but I’ve seen the reality and I’ve not forgotten.

Pruitt has shuffled in/out more assistants in his 3 years than I can remember a staff doing. And none of it has made us better.

He’s been blown out more times in his 3 years at UT than the last few coaches combined (or some similar scary stat).

He has the highest paid OC in the country, one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country, one of the highest paid DC’s in the country. And we still get blown out by UK and Ark and are staring a Vandy loss and 2-8 right in the face.

All this behind the scenes talk of losing the upper class men, firing assistant mid season, Hubbs calling him out publicly (something he’s never done before).

Assistants refused the pay cuts. Rumors of Pruitt telling folks he’ll just go back to Bama. His dumb blank stare with no passion week after week in the press conferences.

I’m no mathematician but all this, and plenty more I forgot to list, adds up to it’s time to pull the plug. It’s inevitable and when it’s inevitable good leadership does it now. Weak leadership waits.

that's all fine.

i think we're all good at finding reasons to fire a guy....we're experts at it at this point.. lol...

firing isn't the problem. it's everything else....just how long is Fulmer gonna be here? who the heck would we really get? i know freeze is the popular name...but would anyone be shocked if that didn't happen, even if we did fire pruitt? i wouldn't be. lol.

fire him, keep him...either way....i think we'd just wind up with another pruittesque hire anyway and we'll get to do this in 3 years again.

i'm pretty meh on the whole thing at this point. #nofaith

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

Like Jeremy Foley the great former Florida AD said: What should be done eventually, must be done immediately.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You non believers that he’ll be fired this year have very short memories of the colossal screw ups in Pruitt’s short tenure. It reminds me of how so many this off season actually bought the hype that JG was going to be better.

As we know I’m the biggest optimist on this board but I’ve seen the reality and I’ve not forgotten.

Pruitt has shuffled in/out more assistants in his 3 years than I can remember a staff doing. And none of it has made us better.

He’s been blown out more times in his 3 years at UT than the last few coaches combined (or some similar scary stat).

He has the highest paid OC in the country, one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country, one of the highest paid DC’s in the country. And we still get blown out by UK and Ark and are staring a Vandy loss and 2-8 right in the face.

All this behind the scenes talk of losing the upper class men, firing assistant mid season, Hubbs calling him out publicly (something he’s never done before).

Assistants refused the pay cuts. Rumors of Pruitt telling folks he’ll just go back to Bama. His dumb blank stare with no passion week after week in the press conferences.

I’m no mathematician but all this, and plenty more I forgot to list, adds up to it’s time to pull the plug. It’s inevitable and when it’s inevitable good leadership does it now. Weak leadership waits.

I'm of the same mindset as Ron, but I think the hammer doesn't drop until after ESD.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I guess this is where I stand today: given all that we know and all the evidence we have, I don't think Jeremy Pruitt is going to last much longer here. But, TODAY, if the season were to be called off, I think he would get next season. (and then be fired)

Now, here's what I think is going to happen:

Auburn's defense is going to give Harrison Bailey nightmares. Rodney Garner and Kevin Steele are going to feast on him and he won't make it past halftime before we see JG again. Luckily for us, their offense is terrible, so my guess is we'll lose something like 24-14. But we'll be able to say we competed.

We'll probably beat Vanderbilt. I don't care enough to really think about it much more than that. We won't look good doing it. 27-24 or something. (If we lose, Pruitt is a certified corpse.)

Then Florida and A&M absolutely destroy us to end the year - and this place will be as toxic as it has ever been. Pruitt WILL NOT survive it. Fulmer might not survive it.

My bet is, after Florida beats us by 30 and Mullen dances on our grave, there will be a serious outcry to fire Pruitt that week and cancel the A&M game. We'd have nothing to gain by playing it and A&M is a playoff contender, so they won't want to play either and risk injury.

Think about how disappointing that week will feel - it'll be so bad that we'll be begging for the season to be over and to forfeit an SEC game. No way the head coach can come back from that.

 

[jakez4ut]

 

[rjd970]

You non believers that he’ll be fired this year have very short memories of the colossal screw ups in Pruitt’s short tenure. It reminds me of how so many this off season actually bought the hype that JG was going to be better.

As we know I’m the biggest optimist on this board but I’ve seen the reality and I’ve not forgotten.

Pruitt has shuffled in/out more assistants in his 3 years than I can remember a staff doing. And none of it has made us better.

He’s been blown out more times in his 3 years at UT than the last few coaches combined (or some similar scary stat).

He has the highest paid OC in the country, one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country, one of the highest paid DC’s in the country. And we still get blown out by UK and Ark and are staring a Vandy loss and 2-8 right in the face.

All this behind the scenes talk of losing the upper class men, firing assistant mid season, Hubbs calling him out publicly (something he’s never done before).

Assistants refused the pay cuts. Rumors of Pruitt telling folks he’ll just go back to Bama. His dumb blank stare with no passion week after week in the press conferences.

I’m no mathematician but all this, and plenty more I forgot to list, adds up to it’s time to pull the plug. It’s inevitable and when it’s inevitable good leadership does it now. Weak leadership waits.

My tinfoil hat tell me that Pruitt doesn't give one care about this program. He is a bammer through and through and deep down somewhere that he doesn't want to admit or subconciously, he has no problem with UT losing.

I think we will see a lot this weekend. If as a Bammer he hates us, he hates Auburn even worse, and will bring the A-game and whatever it takes to win just like last time on the plains. If after AU we go back to looking like dog**** again then he should be fired on the spot.

I'll take my tinfoil hat off now.

 

[greazy1722]

I think they work off each other well. I like Johnson in the slot and Hyatt playing a Kenny stills type role.

I agree with you. The offense was a lot better earlier when they used Brandon more. Hyatt is a guy that can stretch the field vertically. For some strange reason this team just don't like to throw the middle of the field and that's where Brandon is deadly. I just don't get it.