Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[mr.checkerboards]

DeerPark saying he's here through next year even if we lose out. Claims there is already 35,000 season tickets sold for next year, and the '21 recruits reaffirming their commits is also a driving factor. I'm about to check out for a few years.

Yup. Barring some wild off the field shenanigans with Pruitt he's getting next year regardless. Imo 7 wins next year and he's gets year 5 as well.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Yup. Barring some wild off the field shenanigans with Pruitt he's getting next year regardless. Imo 7 wins next year and he's gets year 5 as well.

6*** wins
The excuse next year will be youth.

 

[FairburnVol]

probably an unpopular opinion, but if we can hold onto these recruits I’d rather keep Pruitt (for now).. If we cut ties this season and this one time transfer rule takes place we’re going to lose the recruits for 21 and probably a lot of contributing or young guys already on the team..

 

[BAJAvol]

probably an unpopular opinion, but if we can hold onto these recruits I’d rather keep Pruitt (for now).. If we cut ties this season and this one time transfer rule takes place we’re going to lose the recruits for 21 and probably a lot of contributing or young guys already on the team..

We could sign a bama class and it wouldn't matter. This staff can't develop ****.

 

[FairburnVol]

We could sign a bama class and it wouldn't matter. This staff can't develop ****.

Fair point, and even if he hires the right staff for 21 it might not be enough time to make a difference

 

[mr.checkerboards]

6*** wins
The excuse next year will be youth.

I think it will take more than 6. Imo this year is his excuse year. Next year Fulmer will want to see progress. He was promised 5 years and I am fairly certain he will get 5.

 

[TrippieRedd]

probably an unpopular opinion, but if we can hold onto these recruits I’d rather keep Pruitt (for now).. If we cut ties this season and this one time transfer rule takes place we’re going to lose the recruits for 21 and probably a lot of contributing or young guys already on the team..

Yeah if we hire freeze then we risk losing a ton of kids, but a lot would want to play for freeze but I get what you’re saying, we could fire Pruitt lose a lot then Freeze comes in finishes with a 2018 type class and team. He goes 5-7 in his first year then we are back here after year 1 of freeze. You’ll see, “freeze is bad” “we have freeze why aren’t we cheating” “I knew he was going to sucks” etc

If it’s true he is willing to wait on UT then wait till next year. Sign this class, and see what happens next year.

Would work best with this one time transfer rule

 

[pierce60]

DeerPark has legitimate sources. But wait til you see what happens when Florida drags us across the field to end the season.

But here is the thing for me, the people making the decision you should make the decision regardless of what happens against any one opponent.

If they don't think Pruitt can get the job done then fire him today. If they do think he can get the job done then let him do his job.

I believe the people making these decisions are broader thinkers (i.e. see the big picture) than most any of us are.

 

[Aesius]

Some of y’all are downright giddy over keeping Pruitt at 2-8.

 

[TrippieRedd]

So let’s fire Pruitt, lose recruits, lose some players from the team and hire freeze with one month left till ESD. None of y’all smell a repeat of 2018 or a 5-7 season next year?

I think it’s genius to do it with the one time transfer rule. I want freeze as well, but not st the expense of the losing a lot of kids this year.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Also, the season ticket number DeerPark is citing is misleading.

UT offered season ticket holders the option to defer to next year if you either, 1) won the lottery but didn't want the tickets or 2) didn't win the lottery but wanted them.

They asked you to signal your intent for next year, but my understanding is they didn't make folks put any money down to do so.

 

[Aesius]

So let’s fire Pruitt, lose recruits, lose some players from the team and hire freeze with one month left till ESD. None of y’all smell a repeat of 2018 or a 5-7 season next year?

I think it’s genius to do it with the one time transfer rule. I want freeze as well, but not st the expense of the losing a lot of kids this year.

You always lose recruits and current players when you fire a guy.

We are gonna lose recruits and current players if we keep Pruitt as well BTW.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

I don't shout people down. I try to take each post on its own merits. I have my biases, just like you do. I am a reformed pumper, actually. I am out on JG, and very close to being out on Pruitt. The only reason I am not is because I am realistic enough to realize he is likely here through next year. I don't expect him to turn it around. That does not mean I hope he doesn't, just so I will be right.

Bingo

 

[Gilbert]

No offense to DeerPark, but he’s out of his mind if he thinks Pruitt survives 2-8 with 8 straight losses, including Vanderbilt.

I don’t think he survives 3-7, especially if the 3 losses aren’t competitive. You know the heat and derision from fans will be off the charts at that point. I just can’t see us going into a lame duck year 4. Hiring new coaches will be super difficult as we’ve seen with Butch and Dooley.

We’ve been here before and an extra year does nothing but push us further behind. I can’t see us not learning from the past, but maybe we won’t because we’re UT. Also, keeping a coach just for a recruiting class is never worth it.

And maybe the financial situation with COVID is just to great to overcome and we have to grin and bear it. But maybe a few boosters pony up if they’ve seen enough as well.

 

[TrippieRedd]

You always lose recruits and current players when you fire a guy.

We are gonna lose recruits and current players if keep Pruitt as well BTW.

I get that, but we will lose more this year, with the rule. And the reason Pruitt isn’t on fire is because we have had recruits say they aren’t going any where, literally was already said. I also doubt any of the Fr. Or Soph leave

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Some of y’all are downright giddy over keeping Pruitt at 2-8.

We’re not 2-8.

When he took the job everyone acknowledged it was a 4-5 year rebuild.

Not giddy about keeping him. I just see things how they are. Hes saddled with a pathetic OC, and QB. His linebacker depth chart is littered of guys learning how to play the linebacker position. We have no elite pass rushers. Rotating door on the OL. Etc

This season is a wash for me. It’s inconsistent all across college football.

Coaching change now sets us back even further.

Trust me, if he sucks next year I’m all for change. And I promise, next year there will be another flashy name coach out there we can all foam at the mouth over. Freeze is being made out to be Saban. He isn’t. Far from it.

 

[Kingston Vol]

So let’s fire Pruitt, lose recruits, lose some players from the team and hire freeze with one month left till ESD. None of y’all smell a repeat of 2018 or a 5-7 season next year?

I think it’s genius to do it with the one time transfer rule. I want freeze as well, but not st the expense of the losing a lot of kids this year.

Bad coaches and losing programs lose talent. If you make a good hire (and it doesn't have to be Freeze), they will bring in just as much talent as they lose.

And Pruitt has not been developing the talent he signs (and the talent is pretty average for UT anyway), so to me that's not a good excuse for keeping a coach you know isn't getting the job done.

You always lose recruits and current players when you fire a guy.

We are gonna lose recruits and current players if we keep Pruitt as well BTW.

Bingo. Once it becomes clear he isn't going to make it, you have to fire him. Because players will be two steps ahead.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Also, the season ticket number DeerPark is citing is misleading.

UT offered season ticket holders the option to defer to next year if you either, 1) won the lottery but didn't want the tickets or 2) didn't win the lottery but wanted them.

They asked you to signal your intent for next year, but my understanding is they didn't make folks put any money down to do so.

I would think the 35k number is made up in large part of season ticket holders (like me) who had already paid for both their donation and the cost of tickets this year, but "opted out" and "carried over" both their donation and ticket purchase to next year, rather than requesting a refund on both. So, like in my case, I've already paid for my 2021 donation and season tickets -- so my seats will be counted as a part of the 35k that are already accounted for.

 

[rjd970]

This is sad. In year 3 we got whipped by KY at home and were barely competitive against an ARK team that was winless in the conference last year and has a first time head coach this year. Yet we want to stay the course?

This program simply doesn't care about winning. For fans checking out, I don't blame you one bit. We are being taken for a ride.

 

[Ron Swanson]

He gone.

 

[Kingston Vol]

We’re not 2-8.

When he took the job everyone acknowledged it was a 4-5 year rebuild.

Not giddy about keeping him. I just see things how they are. Hes saddled with a pathetic OC, and QB. His linebacker depth chart is littered of guys learning how to play the linebacker position. We have no elite pass rushers. Rotating door on the OL. Etc

This season is a wash for me. It’s inconsistent all across college football.

Coaching change now sets us back even further.

Trust me, if he sucks next year I’m all for change. And I promise, next year there will be another flashy name coach out there we can all foam at the mouth over. Freeze is being made out to be Saban. He isn’t. Far from it.

I understand your thought process and I'm not totally against giving him another year at this point either.

However, I disagree with your reasoning. In year 3. he's responsible for the QB, the linebacker depth, no elite pass rushers and the rotating door on the offensive line.

All of those things ARE hampering him - and he's got no one to blame but himself. And I've got no reason to think anything other than MAYBE QB gets better in a year.

And Jim Chaney is not a pathetic OC. He's been saddled with Pruitt, not the other way around.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I would think the 35k number is made up in large part of season ticket holders (like me) who had already paid for both their donation and the cost of tickets this year, but "opted out" and "carried over" both their donation and ticket purchase to next year, rather than requesting a refund on both. So, like in my case, I've already paid for my 2021 donation and season tickets -- so my seats will be counted as a part of the 35k that are already accounted for.

Right, and there's a lot of folks who said, "yes, put me down for 4 tickets, I'll pay next Spring."

And while I can't speak for you and your family, I know a ton of people who won't make that payment if they feel we're going 6-6 (at best) next season.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Also, the season ticket number DeerPark is citing is misleading.

UT offered season ticket holders the option to defer to next year if you either, 1) won the lottery but didn't want the tickets or 2) didn't win the lottery but wanted them.

They asked you to signal your intent for next year, but my understanding is they didn't make folks put any money down to do so.

Yep. I was typing this until you responded. Everyone I know deferred. But I know some who may try to get out of the tickets now. Number is very misleading.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

We’re not 2-8.

When he took the job everyone acknowledged it was a 4-5 year rebuild.

Not giddy about keeping him. I just see things how they are. Hes saddled with a pathetic OC, and QB. His linebacker depth chart is littered of guys learning how to play the linebacker position. We have no elite pass rushers. Rotating door on the OL. Etc

This season is a wash for me. It’s inconsistent all across college football.

Coaching change now sets us back even further.

Trust me, if he sucks next year I’m all for change. And I promise, next year there will be another flashy name coach out there we can all foam at the mouth over. Freeze is being made out to be Saban. He isn’t. Far from it.

He has had two OC’s now and it has been his choice to keep our two worst coaches (Friend and Weinke). Offense is still garbage. We have to stop giving him excuses.

 

[rjd970]

Yep. I was typing this until you responded. Everyone I know deferred. But I know some who may try to get out of the tickets now. Number is very misleading.

I've got to think if people who carried over next year start calling and cancelling it will turn some heads.