Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[NMVol]

OK. I believe I have sussed Danny Dub's coaching search agenda.

1. Meet with the team and get team input.
2. Call Scott Frost since you claim a national championship with him as your coach. He declines. Says he has unfinished business in Lincoln. He won't be on the market 'til Nebraska fires him.
3. Call Matt Campbell. He's the hottest coach not at an elite destination. Campbell says thanks but no thanks. He doesn't want to coach down South. Will take Michigan, Notre Dame or NFL.
4. Scratches head. Not sure where to turn next. Kiffin is a flake. What kind of message does it send if he abandons another team after 1 year. Decides it's time to get counsel from an elder in the coaching fraternity.
5. Call Bob Stoops for his sage counsel. Stoops reply surprises him. Arrangements are made to inform team and make public announcement. 3 year deal. Elliot is secured to be HC in waiting and OC.

Be patient VolNation.

 

[Vols4us]

Bob Stoops
- 1 NC. 2000
- 0.798 winning percentage
- Retired
-Coached in Big 12

Phil Fulmer
- 1 NC. 1998
- 0.745 winning percentage
-Coached in SEC, Tennessee ties
-Retired

You are telling me Bob Stoops is an ideal candidate, worth 7 million a year, and Phil is not a candidate at all? You are gonna have to walk me through the math on that one. I'm not following.

Personally, I don't think we should be dumpster diving behind the retirement home at all. That's just me though.

This is a "where do I start" question.

Stoops 60
Fulmer 70

Stoops voluntarily retired 4 years ago with his program in excellent shape and a successor ready to go, and then took an XFL HC job last in 2019.
Fulmer was dumped a dozen years ago, nobody wanted him as HC and the program was in dumpster fire stage. He did not coach again.

You leave out how may conference championships Stoops won versus Fulmer as well as how many times he played for the NC throughout his tenure.

You leave out that Stoops ran the O that is common today in high scoring offenses while Fulmer ran the O that lost to Wyoming 13-7 in his last season.

Even Mack Brown, who also had a similar record with a NC, sat out 6 years and is successful at UNC at age 69. Bob Stoops basically caused him to lose his job at Texas.

But whatever.

 

[RiotVol]

It sure seems like the lives of a lot of people revolve around a mediocre chicken sandwich

Elitist.

 

[WarMachine]

Anybody that does the Twitter thing, go follow our new AD. UCF fans think they’re going to deplete his list.

Lol, they have lost their minds.

 

[Catbone]

New name to watch - Will Healy

L O L

 

[Pepe]

I’d rather have Matt Campbell

Herman is my preference

 

[LotteryPick]

I’d rather have Matt Campbell

He's not coming dude.

He will be in line for every big job that comes up that doesn't require the rebuild and if he doesn't take any big college job, he's NFL bound.

 

[Volbucky]

So plowman is whites boss and only makes $600k a year.

That must feel strange

DW will be Campbells boss and he’ll only be making 1.8mil

 

[Vols_Life]

After reading hundreds of pages of various opinions, I realize that none of us know what we're talking about.

Source?

BOOM!

SOON!!!

TIFWIW

TWSS

....I don't believe you

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The good thing is, it isn’t going to be Elliot unless we miss on other guys that we are targeting. So if it falls to Elliot, then we’ll all be fine with giving him the shot. I’m just glad he isn’t a top target

Well said Bass. I agree that if we miss on most major targets, then I wouldn’t have a problem with Elliot.

 

[Headvol]

Has Kiffin actually proven he can? Freeze got caught cheating? Do we actually know they're better?

It’s not the question if they’re better. It’s the excitement & fire that Freeze,Kiffin,& Campbell would bring to the fan base & recruits. Simply bc it would be the first time in 12-15 years that hires like them would show the rest of the college football we’re serious again about trying to get it right

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

He's not coming dude.

He will be in line for every big job that comes up that doesn't require the rebuild and if he doesn't take any big college job, he's NFL bound.

He’s coming till he ain’t

 

[Jack Burton]

I’m not sure why we’d choose Elliott over Kiffin in this situation. We can fix the buyout clause to keep Kiffin from bolting again.

 

[reVOLution33]

Elliot would be seen as a home run hire nationally

Many would view it as better than they ever expected we could get.

Lol why? He has no head coaching experience. He did good with elite tallent. Nothing extraordinary. I see him as a let down hire.

Not that he can't be a good coach but I don't believe we take that risk.

 

[jakez4ut]

New name to watch - Will Healy

up and comer at UNCC. players love him. and he's had build that program. there were folks wondering why he didn't get a look from USCe....

not sure he's ready for a TN type job, but he's got a bright future imo.

 

[tn88volfan]

New name to watch - Will Healy

 

[drylo]

I'm not arguing he's not. I'm saying how do you justify making him some God tier list candidate? It doesn't make any sense.

Did you actually read his resume when you copied and pasted it?

 

[Kingston Vol]

New name to watch - Will Healy

What do you know?

 

[Sleegro]

diplomacy meter on 11!

I think diplomatic debating should make a comeback. Seems like it's rare these days.

 

[drylo]

I don’t want Joe Brady either so it’s totally irrelevant

Yeah, I think that’s where Hank went off the rails on this one. This place would not “go wild” if we hired Joe Brady.

Well, it might, actually. Just... not like Hank thinks.

 

[reeceb73]

kiffin is risky. less so than 10 years ago, i believe, but a risk none the less.

the biggest issue as i see it, would be that other than what he did at FAU, he's not ever really run a program to fruition, and had to maintain/sustain....

but, if could get somewhere, and he has a shot at Ole MIss, and get off to a good start, and keep the recruiting up....i think he's gonna be a problem for a lot of folks.

agree on the defense....but part of that is on the university to make sure he has the resources to go hire at the level he needs to....

he'd get that here. i don't know that ole miss will ever out resource other programs in the SEC.

I agree with you.

Ole miss will never be great no matter who coaches. It just won't.

If kiffin leaves them for us, it would be a big boy program where he can be very successful.

Coaches leave teams all the time to move up. Lane leaving ole miss isn't the same as leaving us.

I get why people just gravitate to the situation10 years ago, but he is older and more mature. He can accomplish anything at TN as any other major program. He can't do that at ole miss

 

[SLICKYINC]

Anybody that does the Twitter thing, go follow our new AD. UCF fans think they’re going to deplete his list.

Good to see he took the UCF thing out of his handle. Went with the ole generic AD. Solid move.

 

[m1al]

After reading hundreds of pages of various opinions, I realize that none of us know what we're talking about.

Nailed it

 

[Dudley Smith]

He’s seemed to do pretty damn well at Arkansas.

3-7

Killing it.

lol. gave the like, cause, well...it's just obvious.

but, all things relative, winning 3 SEC games was a feat many thought incapable at ARK considering how well they've fared agianst the conf in recent seasons.

so it was a good start, relatively speaking....not convinced it's sustainable....deinitely.

In fairness, 1/3 of Pittman’s wins this year came against an ignorant gump.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think diplomatic debating should make a comeback. Seems like it's rare these days.

it certainly is.