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Surely 8 million a year can get better than Franklin...
To be honest, maybe he isn’t the best, but he has clearly proven he can be a program builder. If you think about it, his resume is perfect for what we need. He brought Vandy up from absolutely nothing and he came into Penn State in the aftermath of Sandusky. I’ll take a coach with that on his resume on and no to mention 11 wins in 3 of the last 5 season. If he wasn’t at Vandy and pissed in everyone’s Cheerios when he was there, everyone would be stoked at the possibility.
 
pretty much this. i think no matter who we hire is one win away from winning the fan base. we're starving for that.
Not speaking for anyone else but I’d trade an early 5 star recruit for a coaching staff that outcoaches someone and at least holds serve in that department with our rivals.
 
If there is no hire or announcement today... It becomes quite clear. AV thinks DW is a badass AD. AV thinks DW is going to hire the best available. But just because one person thinks that, doesn't make it true. If there is no hire or announcement today, its clear DW couldn't land any of the big names and he is now way down the list. I know some people are okay with elliott because he is better than dykes but even hiring elliott is a clear loss. If tennessee isn't willing to hire kiffin or freeze but instead is forced to go with a coach like dykes or elliott, after reaching out to a guy like franklin..well, they don't REALLY care about winning. If you can't see that then I'm sorry for you. You will continue to support a program that doesn't care about it's fans and in fact straight up lies to them. Of course, they could announce a good hire today and this would be wrong. But if they don't announce or they do and it's someone like elliott or dykes, then I'm right. And deep down you know it. New leadership, same tennessee. Only this time they straight lie to you. Publicly lol. Hope I'm wrong! I can't think of any reason you would say no to freeze or kiffin if your list comes down to elliott and dykes. Actually I can. Pure stupidity. Just not a good AD.

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We heard over the weekend that White is willing to take some big swings. Does that mean he might try to see if there is any real interest from Penn State head coach James Franklin, who did a miraculous job at Vanderbilt and then invigorated Penn State as it was still coming out of the Jerry Sandusky scandal? It seems like a long shot that Franklin would be tempted by this.
Minnesota’s P.J. Fleck took over a very messy dynamic when he got to the Gophers in the wake of a scandal at the end of the previous season. The program had been reeling from a threatened player boycott of a bowl game in response to a sexual assault investigation from which multiple players had been suspended. Fleck rallied that program and stabilized things to a large degree, leading Minnesota to 11-2 and a top-10 finish in year three. The 40-year-old from Illinois is a Greg Schiano protégé, though. Would what happened with his old mentor and Tennessee turn him off this? Also, would what the Vols might have to pay to get Fleck (he makes almost $5 million a year now) feel like a reach given his 15-19 record in Big Ten play?

One name I’ve heard a lot is the one non-head coach I thought Tennessee might consider even before White was hired: Clemson offensive coordinator Tony Elliott, one of the top assistant coaches in college football. He won the Broyles Award as the nation’s top assistant coach in 2017, and you could see how much the Tigers missed him when he was unable to coach in the College Football Playoff semifinal against Ohio State after testing positive for COVID-19. South Carolina wanted to talk to Elliott for its coaching search, but he declined interest in joining the Tigers’ archrival. Would the Vols’ uncertain NCAA issues scare off a coach who probably could get a good Power 5 job a year or so from now? Also, after just watching a first-time head coach fail at Tennessee, would the Vols actually give another first-timer a crack at trying to figure this thing out?

Another coach we’ve heard the Vols have some interest in is Cincinnati’s Luke Fickell. The former Ohio State lineman has really elevated the Bearcats, going 31-6 the past three years, including a No. 8 finish this season. White knows all about the job Fickell has done in the AAC. He drew some interest from NFL teams, with the Eagles taking an especially close look. Fickell has been very choosy about his next move, and we wouldn’t expect he will be tempted by this situation.


Two months ago, the guy I thought would be the obvious choice was Liberty’s Hugh Freeze, who dreamed of the Vols head coaching job before he’d ever coached a college game. But he might be a tough sell optically given that he was fired from Ole Miss in the wake of an NCAA investigation. Would SEC commissioner Greg Sankey even allow Tennessee to touch Freeze? I didn’t think so, but I have heard some conflicting things about that in the past week.
If Tennessee hired Freeze, I’m convinced he would win there. He’s wasted little time elevating Liberty, 10-1 this season, into a Top 25 program with a roster largely built on FCS recruits. He is a terrific offensive coach and play-caller who did beat Nick Saban and Alabama in back-to-back seasons. That seems almost impossible in the SEC these days.

Another Sun Belt coach whose stock has really risen this year is Coastal Carolina’s Jamey Chadwell, a Tennessee native. He’s taken the Chanticleers from 3-9 in his debut season to 5-7 last year to 11-1. Chadwell is beloved by folks who have been around him, who see him as a family-oriented, second-generation coach. He’s won everywhere he’s been and has strong ties throughout the region.

The Vols have struggled on offense for a while, and Chadwell would have that part covered. He has a unique system, basing a lot of plays out of 20 and 21 personnel groupings, as opposed to most teams relying on 11 and 10 personnel, and pairing them with all sorts of option and RPO concepts. Chadwell has never worked at a Power 5 program in any capacity, but he’s proven to be an excellent gameday coach and would seem like a good fit for the Vols.
 
What’s that mean? You mean we are parsing stats from his time at FIU? Wow.
He had one good year at Oregon too, with a great QB in Herbert that just had one of the best rookie years in NFL history. Other than that he has been average there too. He backed into the PAC12 title game thus season because Washington elected not to play.
Lots of dislike for two SunBelt coaches in Napier and Chadwell on this board and they were much more successful in the same conference
 
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I'd let him bring his entire staff if he wants to. Cohesion and trust are super important IMO. Hell, Butch Jones had us on a strong upward trajectory on the field and in recruiting with his gang of MAC rejects.
Yeah, when he started replacing MAC rejects with bigger names, then our team went down the tubes.
 
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I mean, they are constantly asked for their opinion and even when they say there's no info to report they are asked "Well what do you think though" and if they respond that is then taken as they just reported confirmed info and spread and reacted to. I also don't really blame them for having low expectations about what names could be possible. From an outside perspective, nobody thinks we're gonna pull a big name. And yeah I felt the same way about AV's posts, but there were a bunch of people that read them and interpreted it as "oh he's trying to get us to be on board for a lower tier". Still not sure how they got there on that interpretation but it happens. I'm not really directing this at anything you said specifically, just that in general, it is wild how 5 people can read the exact same quote and have 5 wildly different interpretations.
yep, and then immediately be willing to die on the hill that says their version is the ONLY version...lol.
 
If there is no hire or announcement today... It becomes quite clear. AV thinks DW is a badass AD. AV thinks DW is going to hire the best available. But just because one person thinks that, doesn't make it true. If there is no hire or announcement today, its clear DW couldn't land any of the big names and he is now way down the list. I know some people are okay with elliott because he is better than dykes but even hiring elliott is a clear loss. If tennessee isn't willing to hire kiffin or freeze but instead is forced to go with a coach like dykes or elliott, after reaching out to a guy like franklin..well, they don't REALLY care about winning. If you can't see that then I'm sorry for you. You will continue to support a program that doesn't care about it's fans and in fact straight up lies to them. Of course, they could announce a good hire today and this would be wrong. But if they don't announce or they do and it's someone like elliott or dykes, then I'm right. And deep down you know it. New leadership, same tennessee. Only this time they straight lie to you. Publicly lol. Hope I'm wrong! I can't think of any reason you would say no to freeze or kiffin if your list comes down to elliott and dykes. Actually I can. Pure stupidity. Just not a good AD.

So if t's not on your timeline, DW is failing...😆

Serious question, are you an only child?
 
If money is no object, why would we even go after Franklin? He's not a Saban caliber coach, he's not worth that type of money. If money is not a problem, you go bigger.
Coaching wise he is a top 15-20 coach. That’s what Tennessee is looking for.
 
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